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Old 29th Sep 2017, 21:33
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Originally Posted by ayroplain
The CAA can, justifiably, be deemed to be the equivalent of a hometown referee, the kind who only awards penalties against the away team.
And that will surprise nobody.

They will claim "it is different, it is in the past, it is not applicable and they will conduct a ful investigation" and find nothing.

If CAA hasn't case law behind them then it is going to get very expensive because they will be paying out.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 21:35
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Well EZY employees have received 2 weeks salary value (to a max of £3k) in free shares for the past few years (not last year) which then also attract dividends each year.......so that’s free shares and dividends for being an employee.

The shares must be held for 3 years before they can be sold free of tax. All approved by HMRC.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 21:42
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You get the shares after a qualifying period of 5 years but you do not get dividends by being an employee.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 21:54
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European Cockpit Association have now attacked the Irish Aviation authority saying that they were guilty of: "deliberate wrong interpretation of European safety rules" in relation to Ryanair.

The IAA has since rejected what it says are false, misleading and irresponsible statements and no Irish airline can operate without adhering to all safety regulations.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 22:23
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If you want to split hairs that’s fine - I’m an employee, they give me FREE shares which subsequently ATTRACT DIVIDENDS.....which, if you’re smart, you reinvest into more shares and so it goes on....... A lot of EZY employees have made a significant amount of money over the last 10 years or so doing this. So, I think it’s fair to say that EZY employees do get shares and dividends purely by dint of being and employee. QED.

You are correct that it’s 5 years for Performance Shares but DIVIDEND SHARES which are issued based on your holding can be sold after 3 years tax free.

The fact is EZY employees have recieved shares and dividends FOR FREE because they work for the airline.

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Old 29th Sep 2017, 22:30
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I agree with A4. EZY employees get free shares and dividend and like A4 I reinvest my dividend in new shares.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 23:56
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Originally Posted by DublinPole
European Cockpit Association have now attacked the Irish Aviation authority saying that they were guilty of: "deliberate wrong interpretation of European safety rules" in relation to Ryanair.
Really? That sounds pretty much like slander to me - especially the use of the word "deliberate". If the IAA are to have any credibility they should see the ECA in court or demand a public apology in lieu.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 01:40
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https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0929/908384-ryanair/

Towards the end of that article.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 06:25
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I see Emirates are holding 7 UK wide events for their pilot selection programme according to their banner advert on PPrune.

3 are at Stansted, 3 are at Luton and 1 is being held at Gatwick. Wonder if they see Ryanair as a potential source of trained pilots together with Easyjet and Monarch
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 06:58
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Originally Posted by vikingivesterled
Now that that sour grape has been squeezed out, let a couple of pilots drive to Belfast every day to do a rotation to LGW, reinstate at least 1 plane in STN to do 4 daily rotations to Scotland, and the political pressure will disapate. A couple of concessions to pilots, reduce profit expectations with 0.5% (the market will expect something after new camels swallowed), pause seat sales for a week or two, and this will all die off by the end of October. Ready for desperate Christmas travellers to bag a bargain.
a Ryanair "MEGA sale now on. We've got over 1 million seats on sale from only £9.99!" email popped into my inbox overnight....
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 08:57
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As the result of MEGA uncertainty among Ryanair customers? With so many cancelled flights and routes, it feels safer to book with others, n'est-ce pas? Moreover, I'd expect further schedule changes still to come, to eliminate gaps resulting from all these reductions.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 09:36
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Reading BBC RYR have bottled out and say they will offer punters flights on alternative carriers etc. ... So book their silly fares and you could find yourselves flying with a proper airline ... if RYR are still in business by then that is!
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 11:22
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If CAA hasn't case law behind them then it is going to get very expensive because they will be paying out.
I think some of us here may be getting a bit fed up with all the Ryanair lovey-doveys threatening legal consequences to all and sundry who dare to criticise their beloved carrier and it's executives (including such a comment directed at me personally upthread).
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 11:34
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If you just want the authorities to sweep under the carpet the fact there as problems with EU261 and passengers getting their rights across quite a few airlines who are not fully complying then that is your choice at the end of the day.

However as a consumer I want to see EU261 regulations RIGIDLY enforced across the entire industry, if you take a look at quite a few airlines websites you will see that there are quite a few who don't seem to see it the way the CAA have said Ryanair should see it.

Personally I don't stand with any organisation or airline this, I stand with the consumer and as a consumer I want to see the antics of denying passengers their rights clamped down on across the whole industry rather than the aissez-faire approach to regulation of this regulation we have seen until now.

And for avoidance of doubt I don't think this is a problem that is a CAA one, I think it's a wider industry one and there have been reports and complaints going back a very long time in many states about how carriers are handling EU261 legislation and it needs to be dealt with.

Ryanair are by no means angels, but you're exceptionally naive if you think that all other airlines are telling everyone all of their rights and offering them everything they have to in the way that CAA has said Ryanair have to.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 11:40
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Originally Posted by A4
@racedo

If you want to split hairs thatís fine - Iím an employee, they give me FREE shares which subsequently ATTRACT DIVIDENDS.....which, if youíre smart, you reinvest into more shares and so it goes on....... A lot of EZY employees have made a significant amount of money over the last 10 years or so doing this. So, I think itís fair to say that EZY employees do get shares and dividends purely by dint of being and employee. QED.

You are correct that itís 5 years for Performance Shares but DIVIDEND SHARES which are issued based on your holding can be sold after 3 years tax free.

The fact is EZY employees have recieved shares and dividends FOR FREE because they work for the airline.
I am fully aware of how it works.

You get dividends if you have shares only not because you are an employee.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 12:04
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I think some of us here may be getting a bit fed up with all the Ryanair lovey-doveys threatening legal consequences to all and sundry who dare to criticise their beloved carrier and it's executives (including such a comment directed at me personally upthread).
You made a claim that doesn't stand up in any way shape of form against an individual.

Adding to that you made a claim that somehow Ryanair was making underhand deals with same individual and TPG to Boeing for aircraft.

As I pointed out the shareholdings of Ryanair is publicly available information. Dealings that take place between related company has to be publicly declared in its annual report.

All of a sudden, amazingly, some people start to realise that the information is actually out there and has been for years.

You are long enough on this forum to be aware where false and misleading claims were made for years, in particular against Ryanair.
I believe none (possible only one) of the posters are still on here because their claims were called on and they given 2 options.
None of the bravado of "we will see you in court" occurred after they spoke with their lawyers.
They got off lightly with a public apology, a donation to charity and their posts removed v as one has stated on here personal bankrutcy.

There is no Anonymity for what we post.................. that is in a sticky at the top of the board. Free Speech does not exist.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 13:04
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@ Racedo ........ whatever
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 13:23
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Head of the CAA says they cannot withdraw routes from Ryanair, as they are registered in ROI, not UK. Surely, however, some punitive action is possible - suspend overflight or take-off/landing rights: 6 weeks of "restricting" their activities would go a long way to solving Ryanair's piloting situation - and UK customers would KNOW that their flight was cancelled.
BTW, Ryanair have the cheek to advertise on TV- I saw an advert on Thursday evening - although I could hardly believe it !
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 13:29
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So exactly what did you advocate BA should be hit with as a punitive steps for what they did in summer ?

As for wanting to take unilateral action........................ are your really that stupid that you advocate country aviation authorities do things when they feel like it ?

So BA loses all overflight rights across Russian Controlled Air Space for flights to the Far East ? or Ireland does the same for BA flights to the US ?

France banning BA overflights or vice versa.

Knee jerk reactions make good reading for stupid Daily Mail readers.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 17:33
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The CAA is just rubbing it in now. Replacement buses are certainly a good economical idea for multi-frequency overland routes like Scotland-London, and well doable within fares already paid. The list of other airlines, shown in the press that CAA had berated in the past, contained only non-UK based airlines. Giving the impression they have become a bit protectionistic, helping their own national airlines milking the issue with the nit-picking about the 3x limit. If alternative flight costs goes well above original paid Ryanair should be in its full right to look at alternative forms of transport. But the media is of course all full of people that think they will be bussed from the UK to Mallorca or Greece.
Ironically in this case then Uber drivers might replace pilots after all.
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