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Old 29th Sep 2017, 16:26
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Wonder if there have been some high level talks beween Belfast, Downing Street and Dublin. Why don't FR just reinstate the Scotland and Belfast routes, saving face and Christmas. The rest of Europe is pretty quiet about the whole thing.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 16:33
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So, if I contact Ryanair now, I will get my refunded flight, rescheduled?

http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ry...ons/?market=ie

I need to know because I'm going to pick up the phone and call them now.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 16:39
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Looks like Ryanair are now trying to expose the EU261 con for what it really is now, endemic throughout the industry rather than the solely Ryanair issue the CAA are painting it out as.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 16:43
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Enforcement of EU261/2004 in UK/ Ireland/ EU26

I would suggest it is very very patchy at best and non-existent at worst; with the latter being the median enforcement position.

I seem to recall when I followed another website (since disappeared) concentrating on a pan European overview of this issue, that there were some slight indications of serious enforcement attempts in some Nordic country/ies. Denmark, perhaps. But broadly little if any serious interest.

Certainly I can recall an attempt personally here in the Kingdom of Spain about 7 years ago to get some leverage from the Spanish CAA over a short notice cancellation by a Spanish registered carrier. To describe to reply received as unhelpful would be to err on the side of generosity. Wildly so, indeed.

To the present:

If this attempt at enforcement by the CAA on Ryanair, certainly the biggest single-brand carrier in Europe is to be taken seriously, and I would suggest that the jury most certainly is still out on the issue, then wonderful.

And of course sauce for the Irish goose is sauce for the Spanish gander. And all winged species in between, irrespective of domicile.

(I note an inference in an earlier post to the effect that US airlines are de facto exempted from enforcement action under these provisions. Can anyone confirm?)
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 16:43
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who are Aviation Finance & Leasing S.a.r.l.?
A Luxembourg company which had Neil Sorahan and Howard Millar on its board. Amazingly enough both at the time were associated with Ryanair. Such a small World don't you think...
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 16:46
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[quote=BigFrank;9908010]I would suggest it is very very patchy at best and non-existent at worst; with the latter being the median enforcement position.

I seem to recall when I followed another website (since disappeared) concentrating on a pan European overview of this issue, that there were some slight indications of serious enforcement attempts

I think it's great if the CAA are going to take this hard line across the board and apply it to all airlines, all of the time.

I remain to be convinced that they will though.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 16:55
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Legal proceedings across EU:cf "UK-small-claims-court"

I recall clearly posting on another website some several years back to the effect that the EU had then recently introduced a simplified procedure for relatively small monetary compensation claims against organisations domiciled in a country other than that of the claimant.

The essence of this was/ is that there was no obligation to use (exceedingly expensive) legal representatives but that any lay person could reasonably pursue his/ her claim personally, even in a country such has Spain where there is no tradition of personal representation in court proceedings.

The principle was that you went to your local court and that they handled the claim and subsequently they forwarded it to the company in the other EU country.

Can anyone remind me of this mechanism; so that I don't have to go trawling through Mr Google again !
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 16:58
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CAA scepticism

Originally Posted by DublinPole
I think it's great if the CAA are going to take this hard line across the board and apply it to all airlines, all of the time.

I remain to be convinced that they will though.
As indeed am I; see previous post.

Though it is only 3 minutes to the initial "deadline" as I post.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 17:04
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Ryanair has openly called out BA in their latest press release so it's going to be interesting what the CAA does in relation to that because if they don't take any real action or are not seen to be taking action against British Airways then they may start asking questions as to why that might be and that may not be a comfortable place for the CAA.

Although generally post March 2019 it'll probably not matter what the CAA do.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 17:08
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European Small Claims procedure

I knew it was there !

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_...laims-42-en.do

Maximum claim 5 000 [4 408.00 GBP at this very moment.]

The above link admits that new regulations dated July 2017 are not incorporated.

They may be in the following; though I don't have time to check at the moment.

European small claims procedure – make a claim without going to court - Your Europe - Business
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 17:14
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EU261 & Brexit

Originally Posted by DublinPole

Although generally post March 2019 it'll probably not matter what the CAA do.
As March 2019-March 2021 are currently pencilled in for "no change," it might be much safer to date this comment for March 2021?

And in terms of content, the concept of enforcement post Brexit is surely more rather than less important. Though obviously EU261 will be a dead letter then.

Obviously ?
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 17:20
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BBC 5 live currently covering new Ryanair posture

Not all that clear, I would say.

Attempting to oblige customers to only claim re-routing on a list of Ryanair-preferred-airlines.

Not at all impressive.

Also promising to meet reasonable out of pocket expenses for cancellations beyond 2 weeks i.e. outside the scope of EU261. "Write in and tell us your claim" says the BBC.

Who says that Ryanair doesn't have a sense of humour?
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 17:28
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CAA have claimed they have wrote to 30 airlines asking them to confirm they are complying with EU261 regulations.

Back to light touch regulation it seems, why regulate when you can take someones word for it.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 17:49
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Originally Posted by racedo
Ryanair governed by IAA not CAA..

CAA will try and do this in the Court of Media Opinion but when it gets to Legal Court they may find the Judge interprets it differently.
Looks like someone hasn't read the Enterprise Act (2002) recently.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 17:57
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I am filling out the EU261 form, but it only allows for one flight (not a return flight) and I cannot find a place to put my bank details (account number, sort code) etc.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 19:22
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The CAA can, justifiably, be deemed to be the equivalent of a hometown referee, the kind who only awards penalties against the away team.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 19:47
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Originally Posted by SeaBreeze1
This all has nothing to do with on-time performance and very little to do with staff annual leave.

The big problem here is crew shortage. Rumour from within says RYR are losing approx 150-200 pilots and cabin crew every couple of months. Hundreds of pilots, cc and engineers went to J2 since opening STN and BHX bases alone. Approx 400 are currently work their 3months notice as we speak.

Their policy of "everybody is replaceable, you want to leave? Get out" is unsustainable and big changes need to happen...fast.
Is this really the case - in which case what happens to their aircraft - do they just sit there idle? I can't see how the company can sustain that as a business model.

My parents had a delay coming back from eastern europe a few weeks ago and successfully claimed almost 400 each from Ryanair... far in excess of the original cost of the fares.

They have framed a copy of the cheque.... ;^)
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 21:17
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Now that that sour grape has been squeezed out, let a couple of pilots drive to Belfast every day to do a rotation to LGW, reinstate at least 1 plane in STN to do 4 daily rotations to Scotland, and the political pressure will disapate. A couple of concessions to pilots, reduce profit expectations with 0.5% (the market will expect something after new camels swallowed), pause seat sales for a week or two, and this will all die off by the end of October. Ready for desperate Christmas travellers to bag a bargain.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 21:24
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Originally Posted by BigFrank
So why exactly did mutti not achieve the colossal victory which all and sundry predicted for her?

Nobody was predicting a colossal victory for her.
Opion polls were in the range of 34-36% with a 3% MOE.
Not a single poll predicted the same share of vote as 2013.
Therefore achieving 32.9% was within that range.


And what exactly is the long term future of Ireland in the EU27 as a net contributor?
I believe the Irish people are quite happy to remain part of EU.
I travel there frequently and seldom have heard anybody seeking EU exit.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 21:25
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Originally Posted by BigFrank
Please re-read my post.

Or just read it ?
Again please provide me details where employees receive dividends because they are employees.
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