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Old 21st Sep 2017, 19:07
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Indeed but the problem is there is a pile load of people in the British Media who are treating this very different because it's Ryanair and have it in for them, some of which have already been sued before for printing untruths about Ryanair.

If the exact same happened with another airline it would get very little coverage, the amount of flack Jacobs has got in the Mail and the invasion of his privacy however is pretty disgusting.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 19:13
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Originally Posted by DublinPole
If the exact same happened with another airline it would get very little coverage, the amount of flack Jacobs has got in the Mail and the invasion of his privacy however is pretty disgusting.
Really? Apart from through insolvency the only airline that has ever had problems on a similar scale has been BA and the press certainly haven't ignored it when it's happened!

The actual effect has probably been felt by something like 100,000 UK citizens, and every UK citizen that had a Ryanair booking in the next few months has suffered fear. Newspapers don't often get to print a story about something that's affected that many people!
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 19:18
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BA was a much bigger scale than this as far as UK flights are concerned.

How many UK flights are Ryanair cancelling a day? About 10? How many were BA cancellng a day? A whole schedule of hundreds.

How much notice did those BA customers get? A day or two. How much notice did Ryanair fliers get? Up to six weeks.

How many BA flyers could transfer to an alternative flight the same day? None How many Ryanair can? A lot.

If you add up all the UK flights BA have cancelled this year it's still going to be higher than Ryanair by the end of all this, but lets not let that get in the way of a good media witchhunt.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 19:26
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It was more severe for a shorter time. But that's part of the problem Ryanair faced; even the drip feed lasted long enough to scare a lot of people!
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 19:38
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Originally Posted by DublinPole
Word on the street that Ryanair's lawyers are going to start proceedings against some of the media and the press in the upcoming days for some of the ridicolous things that have been printed in the media, the fabrications and the outright lies.

There's been people claiming they were treated badly and had their flights cancelled between airports that Ryanair don't serve, photos claiming to show things on Ryanair aircraft which are not even 737s just to mention a few things.
One only has to look at the fabricated illness stories on All inclusive holidays to see what people will do.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 19:39
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Really? Apart from through insolvency the only airline that has ever had problems on a similar scale has been BA and the press certainly haven't ignored it when it's happened!

The actual effect has probably been felt by something like 100,000 UK citizens, and every UK citizen that had a Ryanair booking in the next few months has suffered fear. Newspapers don't often get to print a story about something that's affected that many people!
Hardly 100k UK citizens.............
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Originally Posted by 01475
It was more severe for a shorter time. But that's part of the problem Ryanair faced; even the drip feed lasted long enough to scare a lot of people!
I agree the drip feed was not good - but I suspect some of that was down to the fact they realised the problems so late that they had to cancel any flight in the first few days to be able to cope since they didn't have time to work out a more sensible plan of action that would effect customers the least like they did with the later cancellations.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 19:42
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One only has to look at the fabricated illness stories on All inclusive holidays to see what people will do.
Jacobs was particuarly bad, they started posting entire articles about him, containing screenshots from his Facebook and pretty much everything he ever done and taking a whole load of it completely out of context and linked it to the current crisis by saying that basically the person who was at a crisis press conference beside Michael O'Leary then was seen drinking beer.

There was one massive problem with this.

Jacobs wasn't at the press conference.

But why let the facts get in the way.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 19:43
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Originally Posted by DublinPole
Indeed but the problem is there is a pile load of people in the British Media who are treating this very different because it's Ryanair and have it in for them, some of which have already been sued before for printing untruths about Ryanair.

If the exact same happened with another airline it would get very little coverage, the amount of flack Jacobs has got in the Mail and the invasion of his privacy however is pretty disgusting.
Oh its stored up revenge and this story will get dredged up at every turn.

Media buying arm always changes it because when some see the 1 million campaign that excludes their newspaper they get the message.

MOL refusing to kowtow to UK media makes them angry as doesn't he know who they are.
Problem is that he does which is why he ignores them.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 19:51
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Hardly 100k UK citizens.............
Ok, a large number of people and far more than affected by the normal news story.

The day I looked at may not have been representative, but on it more than half the flights involved the UK, and we might guess that about half the people on those flights were British (I know some will have more people from abroad than others, but on the other hand don't try telling me that there's a lot of Spaniards flying from EMA to Palma at this time of year :-D )
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Originally Posted by DublinPole
There was one massive problem with this.

Jacobs wasn't at the press conference.

But why let the facts get in the way.
The good news is that things like this (if it's true) may have less effect than you think. I first found out about this from you right now and had never seen the story or heard of the man.

But I have seen a Facebook feed with people sharing stories about cancellations and worrying about their short breaks (not one person I know has actually had a flight cancelled by anyone other than EasyJet in this period, but that's by the by; the fear and the bad press are there and causing harm).
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 19:59
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The good news is that things like this (if it's true) may have less effect than you think. I first found out about this from you right now and had never seen the story or heard of the man.
Ryanair marketing boss boasts of his 'busy week' | Daily Mail Online

Of course, it won't do any real damage, but my point is this shows the way the British Media are, it's not about printing facts it's all about having it in for people who they don't like and facts need not necessarily get in the way of that.

But I have seen a Facebook feed with people sharing stories about cancellations and worrying about their short breaks (not one person I know has actually had a flight cancelled by anyone other than EasyJet in this period, but that's by the by; the fear and the bad press are there and causing harm).
I agree and the fact that Ryanair tend to normally cancel less flights than almost all the other airlines because of the extensive use of standby crews to recover service means historically they have cancelled less flights in the past.

That's before you take into account the many strikes that have took place over the years in other airlines and IT problems etc that has grounded whole schedules for days.

As I've said even after this is finished Ryanair still probably won't be anywhere near the top of the stats of % of flights cancelled in this calendar year, but the media would have you believe that they are unreliable and more likely to cancel than anyone else.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 20:03
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Originally Posted by 01475
Ok, a large number of people and far more than affected by the normal news story.

The day I looked at may not have been representative, but on it more than half the flights involved the UK, and we might guess that about half the people on those flights were British (I know some will have more people from abroad than others, but on the other hand don't try telling me that there's a lot of Spaniards flying from EMA to Palma at this time of year :-D )
Really ?

Southern Railways strike ?
London Euston fire last week ?
Tube Strikes ?
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 20:05
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Originally Posted by 01475
The good news is that things like this (if it's true) may have less effect than you think. I first found out about this from you right now and had never seen the story or heard of the man.

But I have seen a Facebook feed with people sharing stories about cancellations and worrying about their short breaks (not one person I know has actually had a flight cancelled by anyone other than EasyJet in this period, but that's by the by; the fear and the bad press are there and causing harm).
We are talking of Facebook where people will be claiming their trip to X has been affected as all of a sudden they get attention.
Reality is most will NOT have anything booked and will not be effected in the slightest.
However their claim to fame will be people reading their crap on facebook.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 20:49
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https://www.rte.ie/news/business/201...1-ryanair-agm/
Ryanair bases in Dublin, Barcelona, Stansted and Shannon have joined colleagues at over 50 other bases in rejecting the airline's proposals for pay increases and bonuses in exchange for giving up annual leave to alleviate the staffing crisis.

It is understood that pilots at 55 of Ryanair's 86 bases have now turned down the deal - raising the prospect of conflict looming between management and staff at the airline.
However, Mr O'Leary has ruled out any change to the airline's contractor model based on hiring a significant number of staff through agencies or alternative arrangements rather than as direct employees.

Pilots were offered the bonus in exchange for working an additional 10 days to plug a shortage that last week forced Ryanair to cancel over 2,000 flights in September and October.

Pilots at London Stansted, Dublin, Frankfurt and Berlin have now been offered an additional €10,000 a year, Michael O'Leary said.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 20:59
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I grant you that it was operated by Eirjet rather than Ryanair
The question should be: why didn't Ryanair resort to the modern day Eirjet's of this world for this pilot shortage and wet lease planes and crews from other airlines?
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 21:15
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Have they not?

I assumed the cancellations would be what was left over after they'd got their hands on anything they could!
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Originally Posted by DublinPole
Indeed but the problem is there is a pile load of people in the British Media who are treating this very different because it's Ryanair and have it in for them, some of which have already been sued before for printing untruths about Ryanair.

If the exact same happened with another airline it would get very little coverage, the amount of flack Jacobs has got in the Mail and the invasion of his privacy however is pretty disgusting.
Nail. Head. Hit.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 22:05
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Originally Posted by DublinPole
BA was a much bigger scale than this as far as UK flights are concerned.

How many UK flights are Ryanair cancelling a day? About 10? How many were BA cancellng a day? A whole schedule of hundreds.

How much notice did those BA customers get? A day or two. How much notice did Ryanair fliers get? Up to six weeks.

How many BA flyers could transfer to an alternative flight the same day? None How many Ryanair can? A lot.

If you add up all the UK flights BA have cancelled this year it's still going to be higher than Ryanair by the end of all this, but lets not let that get in the way of a good media witchhunt.
The BA outage was a buried story. And there is a lot to that little gem. Bur it was buried. Those on here know it.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 22:14
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Strange. I could have sworn that it hit the headlines in pretty well every newspaper in the county.
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