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For example, the cuts go beyond these route cancellations (many of which to be frank no one else would operate anyway).
The advantage they have, morally, legally or rightly so, is that they can close down these routes, which are crewed by 'contractors', at no cost. They simply tell the 'contractors' to move somewhere else or do not use them at all and give them an empty roster.
Many times we hear that RYR are coming into an airport, will bring 000's of pax and so create 00's of jobs in the local economy. For this magic they demand special treatment. No-one seems to ask what effect the closure of routes has on the local economy and local jobs. Surely that is a 2-way street.
The advantage they have, morally, legally or rightly so, is that they can close down these routes, which are crewed by 'contractors', at no cost. They simply tell the 'contractors' to move somewhere else or do not use them at all and give them an empty roster.
Many times we hear that RYR are coming into an airport, will bring 000's of pax and so create 00's of jobs in the local economy. For this magic they demand special treatment. No-one seems to ask what effect the closure of routes has on the local economy and local jobs. Surely that is a 2-way street.
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The cost of these cancellations is set to go from €22m to near €50m, if I was a shareholder I would be calling for someone to be axed and that would be somebody high up. I don't care how big they are this will seriously hurt them for a long time to come.
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It could be that...
... but lack of crew is a really bad reason for an airline expecting many new deliveries to be cancelling routes at a quiet time of year. It's the unholy trinity of problems that makes this slightly more serious than serious.
We're also getting an interesting insight into their operations, and into the market in general. Some of these routes may be where they have particularly most trouble recruiting pilots, but overall it's likely that they are their worst routes (and if you look at the recent Wizz cancellations then that figures).
They'll still be around obviously; there I completely agree. But whereas before they were just striding around announcing that they didn't mind the smell of anything anyone threw at them and that it probably wouldn't stick anyway; this time they are going to be left with a black eye and a limp.
But maybe they can negotiate for 14 free pilots with every 737 delivery?
... but lack of crew is a really bad reason for an airline expecting many new deliveries to be cancelling routes at a quiet time of year. It's the unholy trinity of problems that makes this slightly more serious than serious.
We're also getting an interesting insight into their operations, and into the market in general. Some of these routes may be where they have particularly most trouble recruiting pilots, but overall it's likely that they are their worst routes (and if you look at the recent Wizz cancellations then that figures).
They'll still be around obviously; there I completely agree. But whereas before they were just striding around announcing that they didn't mind the smell of anything anyone threw at them and that it probably wouldn't stick anyway; this time they are going to be left with a black eye and a limp.
But maybe they can negotiate for 14 free pilots with every 737 delivery?
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Sky News reporting that RA are facing enforcement action by the CAA.
Ryanair faces action by regulator for 'persistently misleading passengers'
Ryanair faces action by regulator for 'persistently misleading passengers'
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Must have had really poor booked forward loads if only 400,000 are claimed to be affected from the 3,402,000 seats being chopped with 18,000 cancellations = 11.75%.
Somehow I can't believe that...
Anyway, get your EU261 claims submitted and demand they re-book you on other carriers.
Somehow I can't believe that...
Anyway, get your EU261 claims submitted and demand they re-book you on other carriers.
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Must have had really poor booked forward loads if only 400,000 are claimed to be affected from the 3,402,000 seats being chopped with 18,000 cancellations = 11.75%.
Somehow I can't believe that...
Anyway, get your EU261 claims submitted and demand they re-book you on other carriers.
Somehow I can't believe that...
Anyway, get your EU261 claims submitted and demand they re-book you on other carriers.
All the nice bits of EU261 do not apply because there is more than two weeks notice.
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Lucrative business class they've been gradually building since first launching it. They're cheaper compared to other business class tickets on BA or Aer Lingus, for example. A lot of corporate busines class tickets booked way ahead for planned meeting slots.
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When FR sort this latest challenge out, do not be surprised if FR go full tilt into a series of aggressively cheap pricing to win back business from others. Nothing more dangerous than a wounded beast. FR have vast cash reserves to sustain very long price wars that will cause serious financial stresses for others. I think this FR rostering cluster flup will pass, but it's what FR do on the offensive which interests me now.
Now the CAA action against Ryanair is 1st headline on BBC News
"Ryanair threatened with legal action by UK regulator"
Ryanair threatened with legal action by UK regulator - BBC News
Meanwhile the IAA poodle in Dublin still couldn't care less.
"Ryanair threatened with legal action by UK regulator"
Ryanair threatened with legal action by UK regulator - BBC News
Meanwhile the IAA poodle in Dublin still couldn't care less.
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Did you read the email? It's positioned as an "apology" but really is an attempt to encourage you to spend more money. I got £160 but its still not enough for us to go anywhere we'd like to go without paying more money.
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Rowly6339....Don`t worry...RYR in keeping with all large corporations will always keep their shareholders the happiest first...the dividend will be maintained & probably increased.Yes questions will be asked & behind the scenes the institutions will no doubt be hoppity but ho hum life goes on..
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"RYANAIR - Continent Cut Off" 
Most of the UK voted for BREXIT. Now which waves do Britania hope to rule in Europe? They want an a la carte separation, they desire EU laws for compensation, open skies etc etc. Membership has its benefits which won't apply in the not too distant future.
Theresa May and others are slow to negotiate and the divorce bill is mounting. In business if blocked you can't wait forever as on onlooker you just move on.
Most of the UK voted for BREXIT. Now which waves do Britania hope to rule in Europe? They want an a la carte separation, they desire EU laws for compensation, open skies etc etc. Membership has its benefits which won't apply in the not too distant future.
Theresa May and others are slow to negotiate and the divorce bill is mounting. In business if blocked you can't wait forever as on onlooker you just move on.
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Ah BREXIT,
Of course that's what's causing this Ryanair turmoil, and explains perfectly why only 7 of the 34 routes suspended (20%) either start or end in the UK, and 31 of the routes, (91%) have a start or end in a non UK country. Funny that....
It will be why Air Berlin is going under too.......
Of course that's what's causing this Ryanair turmoil, and explains perfectly why only 7 of the 34 routes suspended (20%) either start or end in the UK, and 31 of the routes, (91%) have a start or end in a non UK country. Funny that....
It will be why Air Berlin is going under too.......
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Now which waves do Britania hope to rule in Europe? They want an a la carte separation, they desire EU laws for compensation, open skies etc etc. Membership has its benefits which won't apply in the not too distant future.
