Ryanair-10

[mik3bravo]

Originally Posted by 3wheels

It's the beginning of the end....

If nothing else, that comment gave me a belly laugh. Fanciful wishful thinking. Keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel happy.

However, let's get back to numbers shall we, and some hard data:

http://corporate.ryanair.com/about-us/fact-and-figures/

[blind pew]

Not the only ones...my son flew to Istanbul last year from Heathrow...some BA diversions from Gatwick which didn't effect his flight. At the last minute they allocated the aircraft and crew to another service with the result that he and his family had a total of eight hours before they eventually left. Refused compensation as outside of BA control..not.

[mik3bravo]

Originally Posted by blind pew

Not the only ones...my son flew to Istanbul last year from Heathrow...some BA diversions from Gatwick which didn't effect his flight. At the last minute they allocated the aircraft and crew to another service with the result that he and his family had a total of eight hours before they eventually left. Refused compensation as outside of BA control..not.

. . . and there you have it. Shit happens.

Energy providers raise cost of electricity to households. Insurance providers raise cost of car insurance. Credit monitor provider (Equifax) gets hacked, your PII is now at risk.

Shit just happens. First world problems. People need a sense of perspective and get over it.

[Sober Lark]

3 wheels (9 posts) 100% affected? If you had brains you'd be dangerous. I have 11 flights with FR over the next 3 weeks none cancelled.

[heidelberg]

Ryanair cancellations

Mrs and myself planning DUB to AGP in November.
Because of the present Ryanair pilot holiday problems our choice is now down to one airline i.e. Aer Lingus - unless of course they run into a similar Pilots 'holiday' problem!
Anyone know if Aer Lingus operate their Pilot holidays programme using the calendar year?

[SpannerInTheWerks]

What goes around, comes around. This issue has been brewing for at least 15 years. MOL has reaped what he has sown - this issue is far more than pilots' annual leave naturally.

Sooner or later employees will take no more and vote with their feet - which has been going on to some extent for a long time now.

I've never spoken to anyone with a good opinion of Ryanair. Nothing about their organisation, from the comments made to me, puts them in contention for an 'Investor in People' type award.

Don't be too confident that Ryanair is exempt from it's own self-destruction - this is a PR nightmare and the pilot shortage within the company a potentially insoluble problem.

Pilots are not made overnight and simulator capacity cannot be increased at a whim. Someone mentioned on LinkedIn a few days ago that airline flying is not as attractive as a career option anymore - thanks in no small part to people like MOL, a lack of sponsorship (investment in people) generally and an expensive no-other-option training route to a fATPL/MPL.

I'm sorry for the passengers of course, but I for one would be pleased to see Ryanair and their attitudes to the public and staff crash and burn in a metaphorical sense.

[BigFrank]

EU261/2004

O’Leary said consequential losses, caused when travellers cancel hire cars or hotels, will not be covered by Ryanair. He added that the airline will not book passengers on to rival airlines to get them to their destination on time.

“We will not pay for flights on other airlines,” he said. “We cannot afford to pay the high costs of our competitors.”

From The Guardian (London) today.

The first part is I think down to the carrier's T&C but I would suggest that this final part of the statement is outwith the spirit of EU261.

Is it outwith the letter?

If yes, will Herr Schulz's successor and/ or M Jean-Claud be taking an interest; always supposing the latter is in a state to so do.

[Curious Pax]

Originally Posted by Sober Lark

3 wheels (9 posts) 100% affected? If you had brains you'd be dangerous. I have 11 flights with FR over the next 3 weeks none cancelled.

Perhaps if you thought about it you would realise that out in the real world the vast majority of people booked on Ryanair in the next couple of months will be fretting about whether their flight will happen. Although only 2% (on Ryanair's figures) will end up being affected, the impact will be much wider. I would expect a number will look to rebook on another airline if they have the choice, rather than chance their flight being added to the cancelled list late in the day. There will also be a fair number who would have booked to travel at fairly short notice who will not do that on Ryanair now.

[Coquelet]

I have 8 flights with FR over the next six weeks, none cancelled.

[squeaker]

Yet.......

[mik3bravo]

Originally Posted by SpannerInTheWerks

What goes around, comes around. This issue has been brewing for at least 15 years. MOL has reaped what he has sown - this issue is far more than pilots' annual leave naturally.

Sooner or later employees will take no more and vote with their feet - which has been going on to some extent for a long time now.

I've never spoken to anyone with a good opinion of Ryanair. Nothing about their organisation, from the comments made to me, puts them in contention for an 'Investor in People' type award.

Don't be too confident that Ryanair is exempt from it's own self-destruction - this is a PR nightmare and the pilot shortage within the company a potentially insoluble problem.

Pilots are not made overnight and simulator capacity cannot be increased at a whim. Someone mentioned on LinkedIn a few days ago that airline flying is not as attractive as a career option anymore - thanks in no small part to people like MOL, a lack of sponsorship (investment in people) generally and an expensive no-other-option training route to a fATPL/MPL.

I'm sorry for the passengers of course, but I for one would be pleased to see Ryanair and their attitudes to the public and staff crash and burn in a metaphorical sense.

I agree with your comment regarding commercial airline pilot as an occupation is no longer seen as an attractive career. Doing the maths, time taken to achieve min. Requirements plus work life balance / family friendly,etc. and cost to recoup your education investment means its not as attractive now. Plenty of other career routes out their with much higher attractive factors on many levels.

However, there will always remain a cohort of wannabes focused on getting into the right seat and jet time. Likes of Ryanair offers that basic hours building to help pilots look at opportunity with longhaul fleets elsewhere. For some, there will always be ambition of a right seat or PIC on the 380 or Dreamliner.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by Coquelet

I have 8 flights with FR over the next six weeks, none cancelled.

That's not altogether surprising.

There's an 85% probability that eight flights, each with a 2% chance of cancellation, are all going to fly.

[A350Saltire]

Originally Posted by mik3bravo

If nothing else, that comment gave me a belly laugh. Fanciful wishful thinking. Keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel happy.

However, let's get back to numbers shall we, and some hard data:

Fact and Figures | Ryanair's Corporate Website

It will be interesting to see how this fiasco affects those numbers. There are a lot of very annoyed people! It's also way above 2% of flights cancelled - more than 80 a day, not the 40-50 stated.

[oldart]

Passengers will soon forget about this episode and take a chance and book with Ryanair again and and again.

[DC3 Dave]

Originally Posted by oldart

Passengers will soon forget about this episode and take a chance and book with Ryanair again and and again.

Was planning to fly to Limoges next August and hire a car. Now I'll drive all the way. I won't forget. There's enough growth out there for FR to brush this aside eventually, but it will have an effect.

[mik3bravo]

Originally Posted by oldart

Passengers will soon forget about this episode and take a chance and book with Ryanair again and and again.

Of course they will. Customers are fickle minded on many consumer characteristics, not exclusively reserved to the airlines. Did Volkswagen see diesel car sales fall off that metaphorical cliff. Did the European high street banks implode following their predatory and irresponsible mortgage lending strategies that lead to the 2008 meltdown.
The consumer carries on.

Ryanair is extremely cash rich with high cash liquidity ratios. It is a powerful business operation and this latest challenge is an unfortunate event but one it will survive and continue growing. It's business model (whilst not for everyone) consistently delivers shareholder investment value and a major employer across Europe. That is the bigger picture.

MOL was upfront, said it as it is, facts and figures, the guy knows his numbers well, very well. The rostering dept on the other hand, well let's just say I would not like to be the leadership of that function, such basic ops stuff to get wrong.

[Refuellerman]

Originally Posted by heidelberg

Mrs and myself planning DUB to AGP in November.
Because of the present Ryanair pilot holiday problems our choice is now down to one airline i.e. Aer Lingus - unless of course they run into a similar Pilots 'holiday' problem!
Anyone know if Aer Lingus operate their Pilot holidays programme using the calendar year?

Ezy or ls out of belfast, no delays or that type of shit happening up here

[Refuellerman]

Originally Posted by mik3bravo

Of course they will. Customers are fickle minded on many consumer characteristics, not exclusively reserved to the airlines. Did Volkswagen see diesel car sales fall off that metaphorical cliff. Did the European high street banks implode following their predatory and irresponsible mortgage lending strategies that lead to the 2008 meltdown.
The consumer carries on.

Ryanair is extremely cash rich with high cash liquidity ratios. It is a powerful business operation and this latest challenge is an unfortunate event but one it will survive and continue growing. It's business model (whilst not for everyone) consistently delivers shareholder investment value and a major employer across Europe. That is the bigger picture.

MOL was upfront, said it as it is, facts and figures, the guy knows his numbers well, very well. The rostering dept on the other hand, well let's just say I would not like to be the leadership of that function, such basic ops stuff to get wrong.

Rostering dept nothing to do with 140 transfers to d8

[PAXboy]

Economics101

And this ignores any further long-term reputational damage.

There will not be any. The factors in FRs favour are already noted:

• They are RICH.
• Pax are POOR.
• They have a PR machine that runs smoother than a Rolls-Royce.
• Some Pax wannabe Pilots.

mik3bravo

Storm in a tea cup. It's today's news story. FR ballsed up, big deal. Shit happens. 2% of their customer base affected. The FR monster machine will continue to out perform the other wannabe's.

Absolutely. Even if the 2% number is not accurate, they will keep spouting it. And, given that BA has buried the reason for their massive systems failure a few months ago, they can claim to be 'open'.

[Andy_S]

Originally Posted by PAXboy

They have a PR machine that runs smoother than a Rolls-Royce.

Self-evidently not true after this cock up.......