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Old 11th Oct 2019, 10:43
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN View Post
I did say " basic take-off performance figures"

From what is indicated by SOU can we assume that submission of a planning application is not imminent?
We'll have to see the outcome of any fleet expansion at Virgin/Flybe.

As for the PP - I thought the PP had already gone in!...
Seems not then - we are still at the consultation stages?
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 10:58
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Planning application is indeed imminent!
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 15:27
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Best practice in planning applications is to work with the planning authority until you have an application which the officials will support. It is rare for the council to overrule their officials, and if they do, a refusal is likely to be overturned on appeal.
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 20:35
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W19/20 Summary

Usual summary is below. As expected, looking a little quiet, but I'm gonna put on my optimistic hat and say that hopefully it is the last time I'll have to make this comment. Dropped Flybe routes are overall balanced out by increases on a lot of the core routes (AMS, DUB, GLA, JER, MAN, CDG) which is hopefully an indication that they are all making reasonable money - and thus unlikely to be culled when Flybe rebrand to Virgin Connect next summer.


Aurigny

Alderney - 14 weekly D28
Guernsey - 12-13 weekly AT4


easyJet Switzerland

Geneva - 2-3 weekly 319/20


Flybe (5-6 Q400 Based)

Amsterdam - 29-33 weekly Q400
Belfast City - 15 weekly Q400
Bergerac - 2-3 weekly Q400
Chambery - 2 weekly Q400
Dublin - 24 weekly Q400
Edinburgh - 26-27 weekly Q400/E75
Geneva - 3 weekly Q400
Glasgow - 25-27 weekly Q400
Guernsey - 19-25 weekly AT4/7 (Blue Islands)
Jersey - 30 weekly Q400 / AT4/7 (Blue Islands)
Leeds/Bradford - 15 weekly J41 (Eastern)
Manchester - 36 weekly Q400/E75
Newcastle - 16-18 weekly Q400
Paris CDG - 15 weekly Q400


Overall

Flybe weekly departures: 257-271 (W18/19 - 228-282)
Other airline weekly departures: 30-31 (W18/19 - 27-35)
Overall weekly departures: 287-302 (W18/19 - 255-317)
Overall average daily departures: 41-43 (W18/19 - 36-45)

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Old 17th Oct 2019, 21:38
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Originally Posted by adfly View Post
Usual summary is below. As expected, looking a little quiet, but I'm gonna put on my optimistic hat and say that hopefully it is the last time I'll have to make this comment. Dropped Flybe routes are overall balanced out by increases on a lot of the core routes (AMS, DUB, GLA, JER, MAN, CDG) which is hopefully an indication that they are all making reasonable money - and thus unlikely to be culled when Flybe rebrand to Virgin Connect next summer.


Aurigny

Alderney - 14 weekly D28
Guernsey - 12-13 weekly AT4


easyJet Switzerland

Geneva - 2-3 weekly 319/20


Flybe (5-6 Q400 Based)

Amsterdam - 29-33 weekly Q400
Belfast City - 15 weekly Q400
Bergerac - 2-3 weekly Q400
Chambery - 2 weekly Q400
Dublin - 24 weekly Q400
Edinburgh - 26-27 weekly Q400
Geneva - 3 weekly Q400
Glasgow - 25-27 weekly Q400
Guernsey - 19-25 weekly AT4/7 (Blue Islands)
Jersey - 30 weekly Q400 / AT4/7 (Blue Islands)
Leeds/Bradford - 15 weekly J41 (Eastern)
Manchester - 36 weekly Q400
Newcastle - 16-18 weekly Q400
Paris CDG - 15 weekly Q400


Overall

Flybe weekly departures: 257-271 (W18/19 - 228-282)
Other airline weekly departures: 30-31 (W18/19 - 27-35)
Overall weekly departures: 287-302 (W18/19 - 255-317)
Overall average daily departures: 41-43 (W18/19 - 36-45)
Thank you for such a comprehensive update. It once again shows just how well SOU caters for its core market, and despite the ‘doom mongers’ constant pessimism, Southampton is able to sustain a domestic and short regional network that should be the envy of most similar sized airports.

Although we are looking at short haul routes operated by relatively small aircraft at SOU, it should be noted that Southampton has around ten times the number of daily commercial passenger departures compared with say Bournemouth for example.

If this can be maintained, the addition of a sprinkling of low cost seasonal routes after the completion of the short runway extension and terminal upgrade will see Southampton thrive.
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 22:24
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Originally Posted by SotonFlightpath View Post


Thank you for such a comprehensive update. It once again shows just how well SOU caters for its core market, and despite the ‘doom mongers’ constant pessimism, Southampton is able to sustain a domestic and short regional network that should be the envy of most similar sized airports.

Although we are looking at short haul routes operated by relatively small aircraft at SOU, it should be noted that Southampton has around ten times the number of daily commercial passenger departures compared with say Bournemouth for example.

If this can be maintained, the addition of a sprinkling of low cost seasonal routes after the completion of the short runway extension and terminal upgrade will see Southampton thrive.
well said indeed!👍
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 11:39
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It's also good news to see Flybe surviving on the Geneva route despite easyJet - showing that an LCC can operate alongside the regional operator
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 11:48
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It's also good news to see Flybe surviving on the Geneva route despite easyJet - showing that an LCC can operate alongside the regional operator
For whatever reason EZY have cancelled Tue flights apart from Xmas/Feb half term!
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 10:11
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 08:12
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Southampton has published more information with a time line of what they see may happen should the runway starter strip be approved

Its available to see on their web site and at the drop in sessions that are currently going on

Nov - Dec 19 Planning application available to see for public and put in to council

Feb 20. Outcome
Spring / summer 20 Construction begins , which will be at night time , weekends and when airport is closed

April 20 Runway extension comes into full use
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 08:46
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Originally Posted by MARKEYD View Post
Southampton has published more information with a time line of what they see may happen should the runway starter strip be approved

Its available to see on their web site and at the drop in sessions that are currently going on

Nov - Dec 19 Planning application available to see for public and put in to council

Feb 20. Outcome
Spring / summer 20 Construction begins , which will be at night time , weekends and when airport is closed

April 20 Runway extension comes into full use
In addition, work on Marlhill Copse has commenced
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 14:37
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There is considerable opposition building regarding SOU planning permission application,with the climate activists rampant it is noway certain that permission will be given without some form of enquiry,thus delaying the possible work into 2021 at earliest.The 2005 master plan should haven driven the development back then,and as such we would have had a sustainable, equipped airport with increasing Pax of 3million + by now. What we have however is a floundering airport relying on a floundering airline ,and hoping for a planning permission in a hostile anti-pollution activist society.
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 14:59
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There is considerable opposition building regarding SOU planning permission application,with the climate activists rampant it is noway certain that permission will be given without some form of enquiry,thus delaying the possible work into 2021 at earliest.The 2005 master plan should haven driven the development back then,and as such we would have had a sustainable, equipped airport with increasing Pax of 3million + by now. What we have however is a floundering airport relying on a floundering airline ,and hoping for a planning permission in a hostile anti-pollution activist society.
Let’s wait and see shall we before you continue to spout off more rubbish!
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 15:53
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As always you come on to this site with verbal abuse,but no real constructive reply,get real ,SOU needs fresh management and owners to progress!
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 16:10
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Originally Posted by RW20 View Post
As always you come on to this site with verbal abuse,but no real constructive reply,get real ,SOU needs fresh management and owners to progress!
You clearly haven't read or viewed the copious amounts of factual data/analysis/media releases the airport are putting out there now and don't tell me its all a smokescreen and fake news. Millions of pounds have been spent to get this far in the planning process and just maybe we should trust the management and owners on this one instead of your continuous negativity. Yes the airport has fallen behind in recent times but lets embrace the fact that something positive is at last being done about it and keep everything crossed for a positive outcome (of which I am confident)!
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 05:23
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Sorry although I am a local and would love this airport to show some strengths and balls to succeed and grow, I have to agree that I seriously have the feeling that SOU owners & management are fiddling whilst Rome burns -
There have been no dynamics shown in new routes, new carriers, and building for the future has been lazy to say the least...

How many more roadshows and consultations for SOU do they need?
The planning permission - has it even been submitted formally ?

How many operators do they need to fall by the wayside, plus the Fly Lolo debacle, and TUI now dropping routes (IBZ) and frequencies (PMI) for Summer 2020 just when the package holiday industry actually has plenty of customers looking for holidays with the loss of TCK.
All we have seen is a badly leaking sieve, sorry chaps.​​​​​​, that's my tuppence.

Look at the growth of SEN and BRS in recent years, even BOH & EXT, despite the industry knock backs of the loss of MON, BMI, TCK and the 737 MAX debacle.
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 14:38
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Bit of a mixed day as today is the last flight of the Flybe EMB 175 on the sun routes ( as far as we know at the moment )

Alicante is the last jet scheduled in tonight

Unfortunately it looks like no jet movements are planned for summer 20 except the Volotea B717 to Palma on behalf of TUI
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 20:58
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Originally Posted by MARKEYD View Post
Southampton has published more information with a time line of what they see may happen should the runway starter strip be approved

Its available to see on their web site and at the drop in sessions that are currently going on

Nov - Dec 19 Planning application available to see for public and put in to council

Feb 20. Outcome
Spring / summer 20 Construction begins , which will be at night time , weekends and when airport is closed

April 20 Runway extension comes into full use
Exciting times. Big infrastructure projects like this take a while to come to fruition, with a lot of hoops to jump through. Great to see the MD attending the drop in sessions and driving this through. I think it’s important to remember the years of no activity were under the previous MD, who was a total no mark, but he’s Bristol’s problem now.

as I have said before, the future is orange
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 22:29
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There is no certainty that the council will be sympathetic to a runway extension. The council have only to look at the extra noise now being generated at Southend and the complaints that are being made there due to its runway extension as a reason to refuse planning permission at Southampton.
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 22:56
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There is no certainty that the council will be sympathetic to a runway extension. The council have only to look at the extra noise now being generated at Southend and the complaints that are being made there due to its runway extension as a reason to refuse planning permission at Southampton.
The difference between SEN and SOU is that SOU is locked into a Section 106 Agreement with the LPA which severely restricts flights between about 2300 and 0630. Unlike SEN which I believe can operate H24, with night cargo flights recently started it appears that some elements of the local population have kicked off about these.

Cannot see that the LPA will be able to refuse planning permission for the starter strip on noise grounds.
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