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Old 14th Nov 2019, 00:46
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint


Yet still more flights in a day than BOH gets all
week. Nice troll attempt
Why can't you lot just get along? Seriously you should all be embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves. Do you actually know what your petty quarrels look like to visitors of this thread? It's childish, grow up.
Surely it's in everyone's interest that BOTH airports prosper rather than listen to supposedly grown men/women argue the toss about who's airport is more shiny. Get a grip.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 06:45
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Originally Posted by Reversethrustset
Why can't you lot just get along? Seriously you should all be embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves. Do you actually know what your petty quarrels look like to visitors of this thread? It's childish, grow up.
Surely it's in everyone's interest that BOTH airports prosper rather than listen to supposedly grown men/women argue the toss about who's airport is more shiny. Get a grip.
This 100%. The constant doom mongering, recycling of the same post and endless slagging off and accusations of trolling whenever someone mentions BOH from different posters on this thread is tiresome and childish.

How hard is it really to have a sensible conversation/debate about SOU (and also BOH for that matter) without resorting to this?
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 07:33
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^^^ Here Here, Exactly This ^^^ . Some of the posters here should be confined to ĎJet Blastí where they can set up a thread called Ďmy airport is better than yoursí.

Unless there is a dramatic change of circumstances SOU should be a thriving business orientated regional airport and BOH a thriving leisure orientated regional airport, each playing to its strengths.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 09:10
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SOU Management confirmed to me in a tweet ĎHi Graham, Flybe is reducing services, which is regrettable. However, this reinforces the case for investment in our runway to ensure we can offer more choice for passengers. Weíre having discussions with other airlines to backfill routes and growth plans continue unaffected. FP
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 10:28
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SOU Management confirmed to me in a tweet ĎHi Graham, Flybe is reducing services, which is regrettable. However, this reinforces the case for investment in our runway to ensure we can offer more choice for passengers. Weíre having discussions with other airlines to backfill routes and growth plans continue unaffected. FP
Well bearing in mind the somewhat febrile posts on this thread I will risk the flak by saying SOU Management would say that wouldn't they?. It's management speak for stating the ' bleedin' obvious'. Surely it's the prime responsibility of any airport to maximise it's facilities to attract commercial carriers, especially when it is operationally marginal because of physical constraints.
If an airport does not have a runway long enough to offer viable payloads with modern equipment, and constrains destination options any prospective carrier is going to think twice. It's basic economics , and no wishful thinking will change that.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 10:44
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Any runway improvement won't be ready for next summer but when Marlhill Copse is complete (by Spring '20), I believe this adds a few tonnes to take off weight. Every little helps as they say and might sway an airline to run a sun route ot two. TCAS FAN may be able to clarify this!
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 12:06
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Any runway improvement won't be ready for next summer but when Marlhill Copse is complete (by Spring '20), I believe this adds a few tonnes to take off weight. Every little helps as they say and might sway an airline to run a sun route ot two. TCAS FAN may be able to clarify this!
Thank you for the confidence in my technical competence!

Improvements to RWY 20 takeoff weights resulting from the tree work cannot be quantified until new Type A Charts are published. As mentioned in my previous posts I would speculate that they will not appear until late February/March, probably too late for S20 schedule planning.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 12:32
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TLN looks available on Skyscanner 1 weekly Sun!
Quite so, missed that one

I wonder if anything further will come when the next (final?) tranche of the Flybe S19 timetable is announced?
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 12:36
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Originally Posted by Reversethrustset
Why can't you lot just get along? Seriously you should all be embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves. Do you actually know what your petty quarrels look like to visitors of this thread? It's childish, grow up.
Surely it's in everyone's interest that BOTH airports prosper rather than listen to supposedly grown men/women argue the toss about who's airport is more shiny. Get a grip.
If you looked at the history you would see that my posts are in support of SOU, there is one poster who I think we all know has some serious issues, as there is absolutely no rationale behind posting the same negative post over and over again. I like you detest the SOU v BOH debate (itís like comparing apples with oranges), but letís no forget what thread this is? Itís the SOU thread. So if you are looking for a way forward, perhaps the BOH loyal posters could stop being children and posting negative comments about SOU on the SOU thread? I do not look at the BOH thread, but I suspect there are no pro SOU supporters posting comments reveling in BOHs indefinite stagnation.

Deapite all the doom doom and gloom, all of which is perfectly explainable and not SOU specific, the future is very bright for SOU and all the dithering was done under the watch of a known procrastinator. I have every faith in the new MD driving SOU on to better things. In fact he appears to eat and sleep SOU judging by his social media activity.

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Old 14th Nov 2019, 12:47
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
So EZY buying more slots at LGW and reducing the flights they operate out of SOU is the sign of an imminent presence? Why have BE dropped the sun routes - maybe they aren't core to the main business, maybe the EMB leases were expensive - but if the margins were there??
The answers to your points have been known for a while. The Embraer leases were a very bad deal for BE, and they have been trying to get rid of them for years. The sun routes have always been on borrowed time. The issue has been that no other operator really has the aircraft to make the sun routes work, but SOU are finally addressing this by extending the runway etc. I do not want to keep bringing up SEN, but look how well itís doing since itís runway was extended etc. Low costs carriers have to keep growing, the second they take the foot of the gas they usually falter. EZY buying slots at LGW for a large amount of money is proof of this. Unless another operator with slots goes bankrupt (cannot think of any apart from Tui which is unlikely), then they have to open bases at surrounding airports like SEN, SOU etc. We cannot judge SOU until the infrastructure that low cost operators with their bigger aircraft require is put in place. Plans are clearly in place for this to happen shortly. Cheer up everyone.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 13:47
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But on other routes BE have replaced expensive leased EMB with cheaper Stobart ones - clearly the SOU sun routes didn't warrant that. And looks like GVA didn't either.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 15:43
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And looks like GVA didn't either
GVA is operating, starting as usual just before Xmas, as far as I can see?

As far as I know this was mainly (or exclusively) a Q400 route.
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 15:46
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint


Deapite all the doom doom and gloom, all of which is perfectly explainable and not SOU specific, the future is very bright for SOU and all the dithering was done under the watch of a known procrastinator. I have every faith in the new MD driving SOU on to better things. In fact he appears to eat and sleep SOU judging by his social media activity.

I would be astonished if the MD spends his spare time on social media. That should be the responsibility of a marketeer.
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Old 16th Nov 2019, 16:40
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All three of AGS airports are struggling just now. Their ability to manage and run airports successfully is very questionable imo.
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 19:00
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All three of AGS airports are struggling just now. Their ability to manage and run airports successfully is very questionable imo.
Looks like the opposition to any expansion is rapidly increasing,as time progresses with no planning application still,surely the chances of anything happening is diminishing at a fast rate
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 20:08
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RW20

Do us all a favour and put a sock in it now , seriously itís beyond boring
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Old 19th Nov 2019, 21:12
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RW20

Do us all a favour and put a sock in it now , seriously itís beyond boring
Donít worry, he will have sweet FA to talk about once it gets passed!
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 06:20
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BBC and Echo both today reports large petition lobbying councillors against awarding the SOU PP for runway expansion citing the enviro and climate - Not going to go away anytime soon...
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 06:34
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BBC and Echo both today reports large petition lobbying councillors against awarding the SOU PP for runway expansion citing the enviro and climate - Not going to go away anytime soon...
I wish you would!!
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 06:40
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I wish you would!!
Charming retort - But as they say don't shoot the messenger- I'm merely stating factual news of the day
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