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Old 19th Sep 2019, 13:53
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Mahon is still bookable on the TUI and First Choice websites as a holiday package only

Flybe are still penciled in like this year to operate the service on a DHC 8 400 but it could still change of course

I guess TUI may well use Volotea to operate the route if Flybe decide not to charter out the aircraft , it seems the right sort of fit of a 125 seater B 717 for the routes to PMI and IBZ

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Old 19th Sep 2019, 21:11
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Looks like Dusseldorf ends 25/10. Wonít be much left at the airport soon and this before BE announce their much culled S20 schedule!
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 17:25
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Looks like Dusseldorf ends 25/10. Wonít be much left at the airport soon and this before BE announce their much culled S20 schedule!
Its about time you realised that SOU is in serious decline,and unlikely that things will change with the current owners and management team. Putting your eggs in one basket i e Flybe years ago has come home to roost. The limited runway length is not sustainable in today's world of airbus+ use. Unless there is radical change,the I give the airport a max of 5 years untill it is a housing/industrial estate
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 17:50
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Originally Posted by RW20
Its about time you realised that SOU is in serious decline,and unlikely that things will change with the current owners and management team. Putting your eggs in one basket i e Flybe years ago has come home to roost. The limited runway length is not sustainable in today's world of airbus+ use. Unless there is radical change,the I give the airport a max of 5 years untill it is a housing/industrial estate
It grieves me to say I have to agree. There seems to be a policy of benign neglect. Unless the runway has a significant increase in length then the number of airlines with equipment able operate commercially from SOU will continue to fall.

This isn't just an overnight change, but a trend that has been going on for sometime. The number of airlines that have jumped ship in the last 18 months must indicate something.

But is there any response from the airport operator other than obfuscation? No.

Perhaps it's wake up and smell the coffee time.
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 21:39
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Originally Posted by RW20
Its about time you realised that SOU is in serious decline,and unlikely that things will change with the current owners and management team. Putting your eggs in one basket i e Flybe years ago has come home to roost. The limited runway length is not sustainable in today's world of airbus+ use. Unless there is radical change,the I give the airport a max of 5 years untill it is a housing/industrial estate
for once I have to agree!
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 00:13
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Originally Posted by Planespeaking
This isn't just an overnight change, but a trend that has been going on for sometime. The number of airlines that have jumped ship in the last 18 months must indicate something.
Exactly that, the aviation industry has changed massively in the last 5yrs or so, unfortunately SOU has not progressed inline with those changes, if something isn't done soon, it will continue to decline.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 00:31
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Originally Posted by RW20
Unless there is radical change,the I give the airport a max of 5 years untill it is a housing/industrial estate
I think you're being a bit harsh. Yes, there is decline and something will have to change. However, places like Teesside have been somehow managing to carry on going even with pax number of under 200k per year for about 10 yeas. SOU in 2018 managed about 2m pax. Yes, land values are higher around SOU than MME but with the proximity of the train station and a city on its door step in a fairly prosperous part of the UK, I imagine there's still a fairly good demand for SOU. If Flybe should go bust or Virgin choose to close down a large chunk of SOU operations, I imagine another airline will come in - who that might be I don't know, but I definitely don't see a housing estate in the next 10 years
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 12:08
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
I think you're being a bit harsh. Yes, there is decline and something will have to change. However, places like Teesside have been somehow managing to carry on going even with pax number of under 200k per year for about 10 yeas. SOU in 2018 managed about 2m pax. Yes, land values are higher around SOU than MME but with the proximity of the train station and a city on its door step in a fairly prosperous part of the UK, I imagine there's still a fairly good demand for SOU. If Flybe should go bust or Virgin choose to close down a large chunk of SOU operations, I imagine another airline will come in - who that might be I don't know, but I definitely don't see a housing estate in the next 10 years
To all posters do not feed this troll. He has copied and pasted the same post for a few years now. There is no attempt to engage in a debate or acknowledge reasonable thought. If you ignore an irritant it usually goes away.

The aviation industry is universally in a downward trend, even Ryanair are suffering and they are as economical as it gets. It does not take a genius to work out that Virgin will scale Flybe right back to the core trunk routes (until they can use it as a vehicle to feed their bases in MAN and LHR). It seemed like SOU had finally bit the bullet and realised that Investment was needed, and I personally am still reassured by the more concrete evidence that has materialised this year. I do agree that it has gone awfully quiet lately though. SOU will always exist as an airport for one very good reason, people want and need to fly from there (unlike a lot of other airports that have to pay airlines). The market is also very diverse, largest cruise turnaround port in Europe, one of the biggest container terminals, 2 large universites, various military camps near by, biggest oil refinery in the country, biggest city on the south coast etc etc etc. Everyone needs to calm down, the future will be orange as soon as the masterplan is carried out.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 12:14
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It'll be interesting to see what happens but I genuinely wonder if the future for airports like Southampton will be Loganair?
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 13:52
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
It'll be interesting to see what happens but I genuinely wonder if the future for airports like Southampton will be Loganair?
Has Loganair got a future ? The type of equipment it uses & the routes that it is used on, together with the frantic recent expansion, leads me to question whether the airline has much of a future ! Not that I wish it any harm - far from it.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 14:03
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint


To all posters do not feed this troll. He has copied and pasted the same post for a few years now. There is no attempt to engage in a debate or acknowledge reasonable thought. If you ignore an irritant it usually goes away.

The aviation industry is universally in a downward trend, even Ryanair are suffering and they are as economical as it gets. It does not take a genius to work out that Virgin will scale Flybe right back to the core trunk routes (until they can use it as a vehicle to feed their bases in MAN and LHR). It seemed like SOU had finally bit the bullet and realised that Investment was needed, and I personally am still reassured by the more concrete evidence that has materialised this year. I do agree that it has gone awfully quiet lately though. SOU will always exist as an airport for one very good reason, people want and need to fly from there (unlike a lot of other airports that have to pay airlines). The market is also very diverse, largest cruise turnaround port in Europe, one of the biggest container terminals, 2 large universites, various military camps near by, biggest oil refinery in the country, biggest city on the south coast etc etc etc. Everyone needs to calm down, the future will be orange as soon as the masterplan is carried out.
Its seems River Joint that you have the same tired reply as per year in year out. I am not a troll, and resent your ongoing attacks.I am however a realistic SOU observer.It is clear to many of the contributors on this thread that SOU has declined over recent years,losing airline after airline,it's potential never being fully realised. This the vital point!,it's potential will not be realised without investment which sadly has not happened,and increasingly looks less likely. However the owners may have other long term plans which might not be avaition minded.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 14:13
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As an interested observer looking on from a distance of 300 or so miles, who uses the airport every now and again for jaunts to the Channel Islands, I agree that the 'housing estate in 5 years' is a bit extreme. As has been said, if Teesside can keep going then Southampton certainly can. Every time I go through Southampton I'm struggling to get a seat in Costa. Not the most scientific barometer, but last Sunday night I was sitting there with my cortado and sausage sarnie watching a procession of aircraft going to many places in Europe and the UK, including one or two that you can't get to from my local. If you could get to Guernsey from Newcastle I wouldn't have been sitting there. Some perspective is needed. Cheer up, people
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 15:36
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Originally Posted by jensdad
As an interested observer looking on from a distance of 300 or so miles, who uses the airport every now and again for jaunts to the Channel Islands, I agree that the 'housing estate in 5 years' is a bit extreme. As has been said, if Teesside can keep going then Southampton certainly can. Every time I go through Southampton I'm struggling to get a seat in Costa. Not the most scientific barometer, but last Sunday night I was sitting there with my cortado and sausage sarnie watching a procession of aircraft going to many places in Europe and the UK, including one or two that you can't get to from my local. If you could get to Guernsey from Newcastle I wouldn't have been sitting there. Some perspective is needed. Cheer up, people
As a Guernseyman, itís good to see that you are a fan of Guernsey. News that may give you a boost; didnít I hear that Newcastle to Guernsey will be operated once a week next year. Donít know which airline, though.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 15:54
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Loganair propose to operate a Sat service Newcastle Guernsey next summer.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 17:43
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Yep, I saw that earlier this month. I think it's quite a short season though, and as you say just once a week and probably more pricey. I've got a lot of time for Loganair - I use them to get to my other island hideaway at the other end of the British Isles, but will probably be sticking with flybe for my annual GCI trip next year
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 17:52
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Originally Posted by RW20
Its seems River Joint that you have the same tired reply as per year in year out. I am not a troll, and resent your ongoing attacks.I am however a realistic SOU observer.It is clear to many of the contributors on this thread that SOU has declined over recent years,losing airline after airline,it's potential never being fully realised. This the vital point!,it's potential will not be realised without investment which sadly has not happened,and increasingly looks less likely. However the owners may have other long term plans which might not be avaition minded.
Have you posted a single positive comment on here?
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 18:39
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It's difficult to be to positive about SOU these days,the management team can't even solve the climb out issues with trees for 20!
It could be so different if they had acted years ago,but I fear they have long since missed the boat with zero investment.As for your continued insistence that the "Orange brigade" will be in soon,well that's got very little chance of happening with the current political and economic climate, even if and it's a big if that the proposed development happened.Easy have already reduced there SOU ski flights this Winter. If BOU got transport link investment ,then it's game over for SOU.
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 19:42
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Planning submission due very soon!
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 14:49
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Good to see EZY promotion at the airport and on social media, all very positive even if only for Geneva (at present)!
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 15:33
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Presumably you mean "planning application"?

As I've relegated my "reliable source" to something less positive, have you an insight into SOU management to ascertain why the apparent continued delay to tree work at Marhill Copse? As the end result of the work will be months away by the time that the management have got their aviation surveyors in to re-assess the new obstacle environment, submitted results to NATS AIS and a new Type A Chart is produced and published, I would suggest that its going to 31 January+ before airlines are going to be able take advantage of any improvements.
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