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Old 29th Oct 2017, 10:55
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That's really disappointing news regarding Volotea if that's the case it's quite a big deal really considering the loads for this summer especially with the addition of Ibiza.

I along with many others had high hopes for Volotea at SOU and was looking to them to expand not retreat:-(

If only SOU could find a long term airline that's committed from flying from the airport to the sunshine destinations that are obviously in demand that's not including Flybe.

I posed the question regarding Volotea a few posts back but a certain poster replied back and he seemed to have had great faith in a certain Bruno from Volotea who replied back to him, GKmeech posts 73 and 96.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 11:24
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Maybe this Bruno chap was referring to the TUI charters that Volotea are supposed to be operating. That still leaves a reduction of x 1 scheduled service per week to Ibiza and x 2 to Palma, although I guess Flybe have mitigated this slightly by offering an extra weekly flight to Palma up to start July, when the E195 is then allocated to Skiathos!

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Old 29th Oct 2017, 12:19
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I hope Ibiza is picked up by an alternative airline as it's definitely a destination in demand, I find it unbelievable that SOU with it's large and fairly wealthy catchment area can't support destinations such as this.

There are so many unserved destinations that could easily be flown from SOU regardless of the runway and airport infrastructure limitations.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 12:24
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Originally Posted by The Nutts Mutts
Southampton Airport have announced via their Twitter page that they have launched a Beer of the Month campaign in partnership with Bowman Ales.

We've all been waiting for the BIG announcement... maybe this was it?

PS Adfly, I think BMI were 7 weekly to Munich in July and August.
Ha ha, nothing should surprise us with that lot in charge. I guess it beats the usual upgrade of the urinal blocks!
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 12:29
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Ibiza 2018 is fully bookable on Thursdays flying Volotea,plus Palma Saturday and Sunday via Volotea,Tuesday Palma via Flybe.
So not a total disaster,but one step back!
The sooner Easy take on Majorca the better!
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 12:47
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Originally Posted by MARKEYD
Looks like Southampton has been removed completely from the booking engine of Volotea no mention anywhere of it now
Hopefully this is only a temporary administrative error but it doesn't look good. Maybe they are only going to operate via the tour operators like another poster has said. It seems strange though as the loads looked good, and the tickets were not exactly cheap! Surely airlines cannot possibly expect to pitch up and in the first year make a killing? This is the kind of operation that needs to build year after year and probably establish a loyal and lucrative following. We all know the catchment for SOU is a wealthy one, with people willing to pay more to use a local airport. Air Berlin and Vueling also only gave it a year before disappearing. Not sure why low cost carriers do not give SOU a few years to show its potential? They seem to at other bases (Volotea has a base at Nantes!). I can only assume it's the crap airside facilities at SOU which make the operators think that a sizeable base could never be possible. It's a fact that the low cost operators are moving to larger aircraft and that SOU does not have the stands for them. There is the frequent fog (ok not SOUs fault but lights and landing equipment could be improved), the fact that the runway is too short, doesn't seem to drain properly and the quite ridiculous backtracking. Over the course of a day, the waiting for departing and arriving aircraft to use the runway also as a taxiway will obviously back up operations. All these delays, diversions and cancellations must add up to serious money (hotels, additional landing fees, navigation costs etc) for what are thrifty operators. These limiting factors must put off the low cost operators as time is money for them. They cannot afford for the knock on effects of repeated delays from sub-standard facilities. Let's be honest SOU is not up to it and clearly the management aren't going to do anything about it. The MD would put Sepp Blatter to shame when it comes to overstaying his welcome.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 15:57
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Originally Posted by RW20
Ibiza 2018 is fully bookable on Thursdays flying Volotea,plus Palma Saturday and Sunday via Volotea,Tuesday Palma via Flybe.
Available on the TUI website:

Tuesdays:

Arr 09:50 / Dep 10:15 PMI-SOU-PMI Volotea

Thursdays:

Arr 10:30 / Dep 10:55 IBZ-SOU-IBZ Volotea

Saturdays:

Arr 15:05 / Dep 15:30 PMI-SOU-PMI Volotea

The others (like the Sunday Palma) are listed as Flybe
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 17:13
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I response to multiple posts regarding Volotea, it is not an administrative error. SOU is not on their booking engine at present because there are no flights you can book. Once they announce their summer 2018 schedule SOU will re-appear.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 18:16
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Are you sure? Have they not already announced their summer 2018 schedule from other airports?
I've got a feeling the flights are off sale because they're being discontinued.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 19:41
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Their S18 schedule was released a few weeks back so not sure why it's being suggested that they are still to be loaded. SOU has disappeared from the website altogether including the route map, hence why it is being thought of that Volotea are discontinuing. My conclusion would be TUI charters only!
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 20:08
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Volotea's slot submission for SOU in S18 has only the Tue/Sat PMI and Thu IBZ charters. If they are intending to operate additional flights as scheduled services, they are doing a very good job of disguising their intentions - no slots applied for, no flights on sale etc etc. I'd say it's not happening.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 21:54
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This is surely a big slap in the face for Southampton Management,not surprising though as the continued lack of airside development has finally come home to roost!
The prospect of moving any further on from 2m Pax looks remote,in fact if Flybe continue to retract on the sun routes I can see a downturn looming
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 21:58
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or Volotea (who actually know what they were making), just decided the numbers weren't good enough.
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Old 30th Oct 2017, 09:53
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The Volotea fares were quite high especially in peak summer months

Could it be over capacity in the area as well , Bournemouth had 12 flights a week to Palma in July / Aug and saw 19 , 000 passengers use the route in August
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Old 30th Oct 2017, 10:29
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My wife and I flew Volotea to PMI , in August, for a basic 75 each, return! So, not always expensive!
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Old 31st Oct 2017, 01:41
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Originally Posted by gkmeech
I response to multiple posts regarding Volotea, it is not an administrative error. SOU is not on their booking engine at present because there are no flights you can book. Once they announce their summer 2018 schedule SOU will re-appear.
I do appreciate your continued optimism I really do but you have to admit that your good old friend Bruno from Volotea was stringing you along as any good PR would do when responding to an anomalous email.

What the hell do the airports management discuss every morning in their daily briefings it's definitely not about regaining or securing new airlines.

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Come on EasyJet you have five A319s leaving the fleet this year so keep them and base them at SOU as the airport needs you and we might even give a huge incentive to come here.
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Old 31st Oct 2017, 13:01
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Perhaps Aer Europa might be considered by Southampton if its not to late

They are operating the Palma charters on a EMB 195 from Jersey for next summer season on behalf of a local tour operator who had in previous years used Volotea B717
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Old 31st Oct 2017, 13:14
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Originally Posted by canberra97
I do appreciate your continued optimism I really do but you have to admit that your good old friend Bruno from Volotea was stringing you along as any good PR would do when responding to an anomalous email.

What the hell do the airports management discuss every morning in their daily briefings it's definitely not about regaining or securing new airlines.

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Come on EasyJet you have five A319s leaving the fleet this year so keep them and base them at SOU as the airport needs you and we might even give a huge incentive to come here.
EZY are not going to keep a small sub-fleet, especially for SOU. All of us on here can see that EZY are moving to an A320 fleet which is not going to work from SOU. Especially not for a base. The question should be to SOU from EZY. What are you going to do to make us stay and grow? Hopefully they have learnt from Volotea's lost interest that you need to provide the environment for these airlines to operate smoothly. Can anyone tell me what SOU has done in the last 5 years? 10 years even? The answer is nothing. Great catchment area, great transport connections, quality airlines sniffing around and absolutely woeful management.
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Old 31st Oct 2017, 13:49
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Might be a silly question, but am i correct in assuming the takeoff run required for an A320 is too long for SOU runway? Also guessing there's nowhere it can be extended to?
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Hopefully they have learnt from Volotea's lost interest that you need to provide the environment for these airlines to operate smoothly
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There seems to be an underlying assumption from many contributors that SOU is an untapped gold mine and that by fixing the infrastructure issues the airlines will come. Is there any evidence to support this? Any evidence that airfield issues impacted on Volotea's hand full of flights a week? Diversions, delays due to backtracking, etc

Airlines tend to find a way to work round issues if there is money to be made. LTN, BRS, LBA are hardly without their issues.
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