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Menorca from Southampton with TUI and flights to be operated by Flybe Dash 8 were announced a few weeks ago and has only probably been recently picked up by news outlets such as the link you provided.
See post 23.
Menorca from Southampton with TUI and flights to be operated by Flybe Dash 8 were announced a few weeks ago and has only probably been recently picked up by news outlets such as the link you provided.
See post 23.
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Does anyone know where you can find a list of what aircraft can operate out of SOU? I am particularly curious about the CRJ. I know AF used CRJ-200s into SOU but I wondered if the larger versions can operate.
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The longer in time there is no announcement ,the more sceptical I am on it being of any significance, especially any airside development.Surely this is the time for Airport to move forward with investment,or does it stagger on and lose the opportunities that are waiting as London airports reach saturation.
The longer in time there is no announcement ,the more sceptical I am on it being of any significance, especially any airside development.Surely this is the time for Airport to move forward with investment,or does it stagger on and lose the opportunities that are waiting as London airports reach saturation.
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Yes that shouldn't be a problem. It's normally the wet landing distance for the larger CRJs that's the limiting factor on short runways due to their high landing speeds but as SOU has a grooved runway that wouldn't normally affect operations.
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Thanks Expressflight. There are a few CRJ operators around Europe that could look to serve the odd route at SOU. I suspect that the CRJ-900 might be too much for the runway though.
In terms of the expansion, it is starting to look like it is a case of mr bigmouth strikes again. Certainly It cannot have anything to do with EZY as it's cutting it fine now before they start operating. Wouldn't it have been a great show of enthusiasm to announce some significant airside investment at the time of EZY's testing of the water. Show EZY that SOU will invest if they do. Red funnel are also owned by pension funds and have recently announced a string of multi million pound investments. The current pension funds have bought in recently as well, a bit like the ones that own SOU. Not sure why SOU for nearly a decade has stood still. Is it the fact they have no competition in BOH? Is it the fact that for that decade the same man has been MD? I'm interested to know what other people's thoughts are. The only small piece of hope is that SOU have been employing lots of management roles lately, which could point to a large project being on the horizon. Saying that, most these big operations have managers that are in charge of departments that do not seem to undertake any actual work.
In terms of the expansion, it is starting to look like it is a case of mr bigmouth strikes again. Certainly It cannot have anything to do with EZY as it's cutting it fine now before they start operating. Wouldn't it have been a great show of enthusiasm to announce some significant airside investment at the time of EZY's testing of the water. Show EZY that SOU will invest if they do. Red funnel are also owned by pension funds and have recently announced a string of multi million pound investments. The current pension funds have bought in recently as well, a bit like the ones that own SOU. Not sure why SOU for nearly a decade has stood still. Is it the fact they have no competition in BOH? Is it the fact that for that decade the same man has been MD? I'm interested to know what other people's thoughts are. The only small piece of hope is that SOU have been employing lots of management roles lately, which could point to a large project being on the horizon. Saying that, most these big operations have managers that are in charge of departments that do not seem to undertake any actual work.
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Even the CRJ-900 should be OK at SOU. It's grooved runway should mean that WET WET WET is rarely declared and it is only in those conditions that the CRJ-900 LDR could exceed the SOU LDA.
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No wish for a debate & to recognize you are better informed than most when it comes to R/W performance.
However your last post I regard as simplistic by stating WET WET WET with grooved runway operations is rarely declared.
Other factors are surely in play?.
No wish for a debate & to recognize you are better informed than most when it comes to R/W performance.
However your last post I regard as simplistic by stating WET WET WET with grooved runway operations is rarely declared.
Other factors are surely in play?.
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That's interesting as I have always thought that a grooved runway was rarely declared as being WWW and that was one of the main benefits of grooving. Perhaps someone at SOU can say what the situation is there.
I've never known LCY to suffer diversions away due to being declared WWW and I would have thought that airport might be rather critical to some aircraft types in that respect.
Sorry for the thread drift and not wishing to prolong this discussion more than necessary.
I've never known LCY to suffer diversions away due to being declared WWW and I would have thought that airport might be rather critical to some aircraft types in that respect.
Sorry for the thread drift and not wishing to prolong this discussion more than necessary.
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Also not wishing to prolong this discussion for too long but I guess it is apposite to the SOU situation. The old SEN runway had a friction course overlaying the mainbase following an aquaplaning situation. The new extended runway is not grooved to my knowledge although surfaced with the latest top course. Air traffic always advise incoming the runway is Damp Damp Damp or Wet Wet Wet.
I would have thought it would be good to offer that information anyway regardless of runway length or width.
I would have thought it would be good to offer that information anyway regardless of runway length or width.
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Although Southampton has a grooved runway the runway conditions are reported on ATIS
in wet conditions,and regularly stated as wet wet wet!.
Also I believe that the runway is due for resurfacing very soon.
Although Southampton has a grooved runway the runway conditions are reported on ATIS
in wet conditions,and regularly stated as wet wet wet!.
Also I believe that the runway is due for resurfacing very soon.
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Having done a little research it seems the deciding factor regarding the LDR on a declared WET WET WET grooved runway is what the airline's SOPs say on the subject. Some (perhaps most?) allow grooved runways in that condition to be treated as DRY. Presumably the manufacturer's Performance manual is the source of that permission being carried over into SOPs.
Nice to have learnt something on here today.
Nice to have learnt something on here today.
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Aug CAA Stats
Took a while, but they have finally appeared. 224,822 passengers handled, up 3% on last year. Some route breakdowns below:
Alicante - 118 pax / 100% (Not sure if I have the days of operation correct for this? Based on no Thurs/Sat flights)
Bastia - 59 pax / 76%
Cork - 62 pax / 86%
Dusseldorf - 48 pax / 61%
Faro - 107 pax / 90%
Ibiza - 114 pax / 91%
Malaga - 111 pax / 94%
Munich - 19 pax / 38% (Based on 12 weekly and all E145, not sure if either was the case!?)
Paris CDG - 59 pax / 76%
Perpignan - 66 pax / 84%
Rodez - 33 pax / 66% (It improved in the end!)
Verona - 68 pax / 88%
Data from: https://www.caa.co.uk/Data-and-analy...-data-2017-08/
Alicante - 118 pax / 100% (Not sure if I have the days of operation correct for this? Based on no Thurs/Sat flights)
Bastia - 59 pax / 76%
Cork - 62 pax / 86%
Dusseldorf - 48 pax / 61%
Faro - 107 pax / 90%
Ibiza - 114 pax / 91%
Malaga - 111 pax / 94%
Munich - 19 pax / 38% (Based on 12 weekly and all E145, not sure if either was the case!?)
Paris CDG - 59 pax / 76%
Perpignan - 66 pax / 84%
Rodez - 33 pax / 66% (It improved in the end!)
Verona - 68 pax / 88%
Data from: https://www.caa.co.uk/Data-and-analy...-data-2017-08/
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Southampton Airport have announced via their Twitter page that they have launched a Beer of the Month campaign in partnership with Bowman Ales.
We've all been waiting for the BIG announcement... maybe this was it?
PS Adfly, I think BMI were 7 weekly to Munich in July and August.
We've all been waiting for the BIG announcement... maybe this was it?
PS Adfly, I think BMI were 7 weekly to Munich in July and August.
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Expressflight & southside bobby
On the contrary, unless anything has recently changed, WET/WET/WET is frequently reported. The runway is not cambered, it has a crossfall with drains on the east side. These do not have ever worked as they should with water often sitting in the grooves, having nowhere to drain to. Added to this was an annoying practice by Airside Ops of a damp runway (ie matt appearance) being reported WET/WET/WET due to water being thrown up by the inspecting vehicle and splashing under the wheel arches. Lost many Air Europa B738 arrivals due to this as they often were too heavy to land on a wet runway. Happy days!
On the contrary, unless anything has recently changed, WET/WET/WET is frequently reported. The runway is not cambered, it has a crossfall with drains on the east side. These do not have ever worked as they should with water often sitting in the grooves, having nowhere to drain to. Added to this was an annoying practice by Airside Ops of a damp runway (ie matt appearance) being reported WET/WET/WET due to water being thrown up by the inspecting vehicle and splashing under the wheel arches. Lost many Air Europa B738 arrivals due to this as they often were too heavy to land on a wet runway. Happy days!
