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Old 11th Feb 2019, 22:09
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or you could ask why there are no flights on the peak changeover day? Be interesting to see how numbers compare with other EZY UK bases.
Flybe currently run two flights a day on Saturdays. The only day Flybe and EasyJet both operate from SOU is Sunday.

Your wish is my command! Data from FlightAware and CAA website for December 2018. Iíve only looked at airports where Iím confident EasyJet are the only operator to GVA, otherwise itís impossible to tell how the total number of passengers is split between airlines.
Average pax per flight Dec 18:
NCL 145
LPL 140
SEN 139
SOU 131
ABZ 128
BOH 127
BFS 125
GLA 125
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 00:39
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As you say rog747, this whole operation looks doomed. Still no social media updates since before Xmas and not a word on the airline operator that is supposed to run the summer program. An airline announcement was due to be made in Sep/Oct last year and how they think they are going to fill seats on 8 destinations god only knows. I can foresee only the Skiathos route coming back and that's it. This is Powdair all over again!
That would seem to be the most sensible at this stage, with the flights no longer on skyscanner and barely any marketing campaign, going ahead with the full daily schedule is financial suicide which will see them go bust. They are obviously struggling to find an operator for all the flights for it to take this long to confirm.

In my opinion they're best off just doing Skiathos again, improve the loads and build up customer confidence, then they can look at a bigger operation for 2020.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 12:08
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Heard the runway will be a 20m extension with 150m starter strip also added. How will this effect the physical dimensions for field performance ie the runway will not be of 6211ft in length!? Cheers
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 13:19
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Originally Posted by The Nutts Mutts View Post


Flybe currently run two flights a day on Saturdays. The only day Flybe and EasyJet both operate from SOU is Sunday.
Re - The two Flybe GVA's and Chambery's - many seats are a bulk alloc for Inghams and Crystal Ski, plus a few other Ski Co's who take seats.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 15:57
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The runway extentsion my bring the total length to 6211,but it's the declared distances that matter.As I understand explained in detail in past posts by TCAS FAN,the TODA for 20 will be 1799 mtrs and the LDA 1650 mtrs. You have to take into account the restricted width of the runway. However the figures are very similar to Southend who have a vibrant Easy 320 operation.Given runway drainage and groving improvements hopefully to be made,then SOU could have a promising future.




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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:04
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On topic... this mornings EZS/GVA has diverted to STN!
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:36
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SOU-GVA next info 1115 -
I wonder what they will do - Hang around at STN until the fog clears?

Am sitting here near BOH and the low vis is clearing a wee bit - Its just near the deck - should clear by 10ish
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 09:52
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Would make sense...long coach journey each way otherwise I guess.

STN in RVR`s but ops normal.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:05
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Diverted EZS recently departed STN with a positioning flight number...heading & flight level good perhaps for SOU.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:07
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Pax being bussed down from STN from the diverted GVA so SOU Twitter says...

The A320 seems to be flying down empty in the direction to SOU to pick up the GVA pax
ATD STN 1049

Cannot understand why not bring the pax with you>?
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 14:23
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I cannot imagine why any airline would do that unless they had no idea when the fog would lift and didn't want to keep the passengers waiting at STN with no information. It can't be cheap offloading diverted pax at STN and then paying several coach companies to bus pax down to SOU. That's why pax are usually kept on board until weather improves.

easyJet doesn't seem to have a handle on their costs.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 14:24
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Actually - why on earth wasn't it diverted to BOH!? They have CATIII auto-land in fog-bound conditions and it would've cost a fraction busing them from there to SOU.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 15:54
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I am sure the Pilot or Ops did think about that first and foremost
BOH had 200 m freezing fog , its quite possible that the aircraft may have not been CAT111 equipped or it was unserviceable , the pilots may have not been checked out to CAT 111 standard
In fact all sorts of reasons that we are not aware of
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 16:17
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Actually - why on earth wasn't it diverted to BOH!?
Cos airlines are mean and spiteful and not run by Monday morning quarterbacks....

easyJet doesn't seem to have a handle on their costs.
yes - makes you wonder how they got to be one of the largest/successful airlines in Europe.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 18:57
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Odd indeed that the pax were not flown down. We all heard about people sitting on planes at LGW for hours and hours when that drone was around. It would be interesting to know if there is anything SOU can do to help ease the fog problem, it does seem to suffer from it often. Whilst its limitations are well known, and ILS is now seemingly a retrograde step, there must be technology around or in development to counteract these issues (or at least ease them). I know they not to long ago installed some apparatus that measures the visibility, to replace a man on a step ladder deciding (apparently this actually happened until recently!), and there was a noticeable improvement in operations during fog. However, lately SOU has gone back to being closed for most of the morning. The landing lights probably have not been changed since the airport opened.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 19:36
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Odd indeed that the pax were not flown down.
Diversions are usually fast moving and dynamic events, with events often conspiring to make you look like an idiot/liar - the Law of Sod ineviatably kicks in.

There's a fair chance that they were sat there with a forecast improvement, but with no change in the actuals, then no change, then no change and then as soon as you get the pax off the a/c, weather starts improving....
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 08:48
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Fly lolo states we are finalising the airline, it will be on an Embrarer 190 and the airline is EU, the Flybe takeover has complicated things, but the flights will be on Friday and Tuesday and sales are going well.
Well that's all good...

As for the fog yesterday - it was forecast to be clear as a bell between 10 and 11am - which is was, and will be today...
The EZY GVA did quite a few circuits in the hold, before popping off to STN landing around 0900
The A320 then came down empty departing STN at 1045 - I doubt the diverted pax were barely on the M25 by that time.
Guess they left GVA on time with the view they may get in before the fog dropped on...hey ho
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 13:15
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Fly lolo states we are finalising the airline, it will be on an Embrarer 190 and the airline is EU, the Flybe takeover has complicated things, but the flights will be on Friday and Tuesday and sales are going well.
Well that's all good...

As for the fog yesterday - it was forecast to be clear as a bell between 10 and 11am - which is was, and will be today...
The EZY GVA did quite a few circuits in the hold, before popping off to STN landing around 0900
The A320 then came down empty departing STN at 1045 - I doubt the diverted pax were barely on the M25 by that time.
Guess they left GVA on time with the view they may get in before the fog dropped on...hey ho
Is that Tue/Fri flying for Skiathos or for all other destinations as well? If the latter then the program is clearly being slashed!

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Old 15th Feb 2019, 13:20
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My impression is that the flights days refer to the Skiathos service. The question was originally asked about the Skiathos flights on the SOU Twitter feed.
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 22:40
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Recent days of fog have really shown up SOU limitations with its ILS, even with 750 RVR there was no approaches!Surely with this in mind any future operator will be thinking long and hard about SOU fog record,diversions are costly !
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