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The TODA for SOU extended RW 20 will be 1799 MTRS as quoted by TCAS FAN,as per SEN,this is a restricted distance for B738 operations,so I doubt Ryan air would entertain this , especially with operations down the road at BOU,however the runway would be more attractive to the Orange brigade!
Planning scoping for the extension, taxiway,and significantly a preparation for a tunnel under the runway have been presented to EBC.
The TODA for SOU extended RW 20 will be 1799 MTRS as quoted by TCAS FAN,as per SEN,this is a restricted distance for B738 operations,so I doubt Ryan air would entertain this , especially with operations down the road at BOU,however the runway would be more attractive to the Orange brigade!
Planning scoping for the extension, taxiway,and significantly a preparation for a tunnel under the runway have been presented to EBC.
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Flylolo's twitter page has a customer complaining that they received an email for their flight back from Tenerife being cancelled at short notice, blame being put on Brexit and a slowdown in sales since November, therefore they couldn't sell enough seats on Air Europa without financial loss. Now I don't know if this is entirely genuine but doesn't bode well for their 7 new destinations this summer from SOU if so!!
If Fly Lolo cannot sell high season Xmas GLA-TFS-GLA flights then something is truly wrong but blaming Brexit and politicians is a bit strong for a last minute cancelation
They are also poking fun that SOU is less stress and cheaper than LGW - but we won't ''drone'' on about it - Hmm bad taste imho as the poor family who was arrested wrongly have been hounded from their home
They are also poking fun that SOU is less stress and cheaper than LGW - but we won't ''drone'' on about it - Hmm bad taste imho as the poor family who was arrested wrongly have been hounded from their home
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Is it me, or does Fly lolo’s offering from Southampton look like a fairy story?
Is Tivat (for example) really going to happen?
No airline confirmed and the pricing - £395 for Corfu in early July. Someone’s taking us for a ride...
Is Tivat (for example) really going to happen?
No airline confirmed and the pricing - £395 for Corfu in early July. Someone’s taking us for a ride...
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Realistically Flylolo are never going to make it at SOU!
SOU best bet for passenger growth is for the runway extension be agreed,and attracting Easy or Jet 2 ,but Brexit might have a say in this!
Realistically Flylolo are never going to make it at SOU!
SOU best bet for passenger growth is for the runway extension be agreed,and attracting Easy or Jet 2 ,but Brexit might have a say in this!
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business as usual would be my guess minus the odd unprofitable route!
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I know what is happening to Southampton's biggest airline is hitting the headlines at the moment but I thought I'd take a look into the current schedule for Lolo flights, it is as below:
Mon - Kefalonia/Corfu then Kefalonia/Kalamata in Sept
Tues - Skiathos
Weds - No flights
Thurs - Tivat/Pristina
Mon - Kefalonia/Corfu then Kefalonia/Kalamata in Sept
Tues - Skiathos
Weds - No flights
Thurs - Tivat/Pristina
Fri - Skiathos
Sat - Murica/Dubrovnik/Kos (overnight)
Sun - Bourgas/Almeria
Overall, it is a lot more realistic schedule than previously but there are of course a number of concerns:
-Have they sourced an aircraft yet?
-Why is the SOU website only mentioning and selling 8 destinations (No Almeria, Kos or Pristina) through it's direct travel booking engine compared to the 11 that are bookable on the Lolo site?
-The generally very positive reviews from customers using the Skiathos flights last year have been knocked back a bit by some recent negative ones due to last minute cancelled flights, which will not help the company's reputation especially as a small operator. Their use of the generic 'because Brexit' for cancelling the Glasgow-Tenerife flight is also a very weak excuse, and I say this as someone who is very much a remainer!
-Their website really needs an update, there is lots of outdated information on there and flights to the old Murcia San Javier airport are still bookable, albeit with inflated prices to put people off trying to book (how hard can it be to simply remove it from the booking engine?)
It would be great to see this work, but I am becoming increasingly cynical that it won't of they don't source an aircraft soon and start advertising more heavily. I hope we don't end up with another Powdair.
Sat - Murica/Dubrovnik/Kos (overnight)
Sun - Bourgas/Almeria
Overall, it is a lot more realistic schedule than previously but there are of course a number of concerns:
-Have they sourced an aircraft yet?
-Why is the SOU website only mentioning and selling 8 destinations (No Almeria, Kos or Pristina) through it's direct travel booking engine compared to the 11 that are bookable on the Lolo site?
-The generally very positive reviews from customers using the Skiathos flights last year have been knocked back a bit by some recent negative ones due to last minute cancelled flights, which will not help the company's reputation especially as a small operator. Their use of the generic 'because Brexit' for cancelling the Glasgow-Tenerife flight is also a very weak excuse, and I say this as someone who is very much a remainer!
-Their website really needs an update, there is lots of outdated information on there and flights to the old Murcia San Javier airport are still bookable, albeit with inflated prices to put people off trying to book (how hard can it be to simply remove it from the booking engine?)
It would be great to see this work, but I am becoming increasingly cynical that it won't of they don't source an aircraft soon and start advertising more heavily. I hope we don't end up with another Powdair.
I think the Fly Lolo saga will run and run as they say - We have all pontificated on here for months - The series was a great opportunity to see SOU expansion but
there is simply no other airline (UK/EU or other) out there that could operate for them without making a SOU base WITH an aircraft suitable in marketable size, and range to reach these places.
That leaves Flybe in the main as the only jet operator, however with Flybe's latest news it is all now very much watch this space.
Fly Lolo have not AFAIK entered into any tour operator contracts to share the seats on any of these quite nice upmarket niche destinations, which IMHO is a huge mistake to have not looked to do as so to share the risk.
SOU is highly marketable to the leisure sun market but I have seen B+++rer All in the way of adverts....
Even if BE is used with their EMB 195 jets looking at the current routes I would plan that most or all will be payload limited (like JSI was with just 97 to sell out of 118) or face a tech stop outbound - That makes a 3 sector day which cuts down Flight crew hours.
To have operated JSI with a full load of 118 would have meant a tech stop both ways (Thus now being a 4 sector day - dramatically cutting down Flight crew hours and likely infringing the SOU curfew on return as it was a PM slot)
there is simply no other airline (UK/EU or other) out there that could operate for them without making a SOU base WITH an aircraft suitable in marketable size, and range to reach these places.
That leaves Flybe in the main as the only jet operator, however with Flybe's latest news it is all now very much watch this space.
Fly Lolo have not AFAIK entered into any tour operator contracts to share the seats on any of these quite nice upmarket niche destinations, which IMHO is a huge mistake to have not looked to do as so to share the risk.
SOU is highly marketable to the leisure sun market but I have seen B+++rer All in the way of adverts....
Even if BE is used with their EMB 195 jets looking at the current routes I would plan that most or all will be payload limited (like JSI was with just 97 to sell out of 118) or face a tech stop outbound - That makes a 3 sector day which cuts down Flight crew hours.
To have operated JSI with a full load of 118 would have meant a tech stop both ways (Thus now being a 4 sector day - dramatically cutting down Flight crew hours and likely infringing the SOU curfew on return as it was a PM slot)
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In a tweet the SOU MD stated that 2,002,767 passengers used the airport in 2018, so they held on to 2mppa by the skin of their teeth!
It looks like it will be quite an achievement to manage the same in 2019 though, given the loss of KLM from March onwards and the continued question marks around Lolo.
He also tweeted, in reply to a question about growth in pax numbers "with a longer runway next year there will certainly be more choice for passengers."
I'd imagine we'll see the runway extension being built this winter and hopefully a return to growth in 2020.
It looks like it will be quite an achievement to manage the same in 2019 though, given the loss of KLM from March onwards and the continued question marks around Lolo.
He also tweeted, in reply to a question about growth in pax numbers "with a longer runway next year there will certainly be more choice for passengers."
I'd imagine we'll see the runway extension being built this winter and hopefully a return to growth in 2020.
Firstly a belated Happy New Year to all of our followers. Further to my posts # 1114 & 1126 after navigating my way through the layers of local government bureaucracy I was finally succesful in making contact with the the EBC Planning Department, who could not have been more helpful. After seeing the current Section 106 Agreement "Flying Controls", signed in 1992, I am able to confirm the following:
"Night Hours" are those outside 0600/2300 (local time) except Saturday/Sunday when they are 2300/0730.
A maximum of 10 flights per month, or no more than 100 in a calendar year, may operate during "night hours".
"There shall be no promotion of the Airport as a night flying airport" - presumably thereby not permiting flights to be scheduled outside these hours.
The airport shall not apply to extend the runway beyond 2000 metres.
The "operational area" (IMHO runway/taxiways) shall not extend outside the airport boundary, except for approach lighting and navaids.
A northern taxiway may be constructed to the runway extremity, albeit it must remain within the current airport boundary.
On a lighter note for the Airport NIMBY's, use of the airport by many aircraft, including B707, B747, VC 10, Concorde, Comet, Tristar is prohibited!
"Night Hours" are those outside 0600/2300 (local time) except Saturday/Sunday when they are 2300/0730.
A maximum of 10 flights per month, or no more than 100 in a calendar year, may operate during "night hours".
"There shall be no promotion of the Airport as a night flying airport" - presumably thereby not permiting flights to be scheduled outside these hours.
The airport shall not apply to extend the runway beyond 2000 metres.
The "operational area" (IMHO runway/taxiways) shall not extend outside the airport boundary, except for approach lighting and navaids.
A northern taxiway may be constructed to the runway extremity, albeit it must remain within the current airport boundary.
On a lighter note for the Airport NIMBY's, use of the airport by many aircraft, including B707, B747, VC 10, Concorde, Comet, Tristar is prohibited!
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Another informative note,I presume any future operations by airlines after the runway extension will have to confirm with these controls!
If so will they be attractive enough to generate the likes of Easy with 320 ops?
Another informative note,I presume any future operations by airlines after the runway extension will have to confirm with these controls!
If so will they be attractive enough to generate the likes of Easy with 320 ops?
Extension of the runway to 2000 metres is not physically possible within the current airport boundary, which is shown on an appendix to the Agreement. If the airport was to procure land to the north of the current boundary there may be a possibilty that the Agreement could be re-negotiated, albeit IMHO this would possibly have little chance of success on environmental grounds, ie taking noise closer to residential areas in Eastleigh.
