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Old 4th Apr 2019, 10:38
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The Ryanair operation at SEN was a success and according to Expressflight the 737-800 was only using 950m of runway to land. Taking this into consideration, SOU has huge potential for new Ryanair operations. This assumes the airport offers Ryanair the right deal.

This would be game changing for the airport if they actually get the runway extension and resurfacing done and stands that can handle a 737-800. I doubt it will be done by 2020, more like 2021.

One thing is for certain, I certainly wouldn't be trying to protect Flybe at this stage.
I can't see Ryanair ever operating from SOU. Easyjet is a much better fit, as they cater for business passengers as much as they do leisure. The bucket and spades market has never been strong at SOU. Sure if Ryanair came in charging a few quid to fly it would increase, but a large portion of SOU's business would be overlooked. Flying Ryanair to an airport nowhere near the centre of the city it is supposedly flying to is not going to appeal to people on a tight schedule. You have to question why Ryanair does not have a base at Gatwick or anywhere else in the south. It is a different market.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 11:14
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Very possibly wrong of course re RYR/LGW.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 11:17
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Originally Posted by southside bobby
Very possibly wrong of course re RYR/LGW.
And RYR operating out of BOH.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 14:22
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
The Ryanair operation at SEN was a success and according to Expressflight the 737-800 was only using 950m of runway to land. Taking this into consideration, SOU has potential for new Ryanair operations.
This would be game changing for the airport if they actually get the runway extension and resurfacing done and stands that can handle a 737-800.
Perhaps I might just be eating some copious amounts of humble pie in the future -
seems the three FR 737-800's are all stopping on a sixpence at SEN - not even back tracking after landing - but then SEN runway has just been resurfaced + grooved/treated for such operations, and is the approach/departure profile there without restriction ?

Of course these SFP 737's are flight planned to be as light as possible when they arrive back to SEN so they will not be HGW landings.

The longest sectors out of SEN are to CFU and AGP so I will be interested as to what the allowable payload is for take offs out of there...
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 14:55
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Originally Posted by rog747
Of course these SFP 737's are flight planned to be as light as possible when they arrive back to SEN so they will not be HGW landings.
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Really ? I take it you checked the -800SFP landing distance requirement charts before making that assertion? If so, please tell us what you found. Otherwise people might think you are making things up.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 14:59
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Yes I think that is a good question re CFU and AGP from SEN. If it is possible with minimal amount of payload penalty/additional cost then this certainly bodes well for airports like SOU.

I just want to know what the cost differences are in terms of the SFP aircraft (seat mile cost wise)
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 15:02
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well of course dispatch has to have the LDW optimum for arriving back to SEN - You cant plan to land overweight can you...
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 08:56
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Looks like TUI have stopped selling their holidays to Malaga , Faro , Verona and Alicante using Flybe this summer . This was quite a bit of extra capacity that TUI used for quite a few years by using Flybe

The charter to Mahon looks to be continuing using a Flybe DHC8 on a Saturday
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 14:35
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What happens to those TUI passengers who were booked on these? Bit late notice to do that for this summer... unless bookings were so low it was insignificant?

Perhaps brexit uncertainty hitting bookings harder than we thought?
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 15:05
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Originally Posted by MARKEYD

The charter to Mahon looks to be continuing using a Flybe DHC8 on a Saturday
Really? How un-delightful is that going to be?
3hrs on a turboprop?!
Back to Dart Herald style days for those poor Pax.
Still, I guess it might have some Novelty value.
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 17:34
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What happens to those TUI passengers who were booked on these?
One would assume that those already booked will still be on those Flybe flights but TUI are not selling any more.
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 17:38
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Unless Flybe survive,I feel SOU are in for some very hard times,the planned expansion has ground to a halt,sun routes are vastly diluted,and will probably disappear soon
Routes are disappearing at a fast rate.The management are as effective as a chocolate fireguard!
Continuing at this rate will see SOU finished as a aerodrome very soon.
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 17:52
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Originally Posted by RW20
Unless Flybe survive,I feel SOU are in for some very hard times,the planned expansion has ground to a halt,sun routes are vastly diluted,and will probably disappear soon
Routes are disappearing at a fast rate.The management are as effective as a chocolate fireguard!
Continuing at this rate will see SOU finished as a aerodrome very soon.
Looking on the bright side - they wouldn't need to chop those trees down.;-)
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 21:30
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Originally Posted by MARKEYD
Looks like TUI have stopped selling their holidays to Malaga , Faro , Verona and Alicante using Flybe this summer . This was quite a bit of extra capacity that TUI used for quite a few years by using Flybe

The charter to Mahon looks to be continuing using a Flybe DHC8 on a Saturday
If TUI have stopped selling seats on Flybe flights, given that the Mahon is continuing, which is a whole-aircraft charter, along with the Volotea charters to Palma and Ibiza, does this point to a change in the commercial relationship between TUI and Flybe/Connect?
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 22:01
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If TUI have stopped selling seats on Flybe flights, given that the Mahon is continuing, which is a whole-aircraft charter, along with the Volotea charters to Palma and Ibiza, does this point to a change in the commercial relationship between TUI and Flybe/Connect?
quite possibly and not a surprise seeing that the majority of e-jets are leaving the fleet and Mahon is on a Q400!
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 07:55
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
What happens to those TUI passengers who were booked on these? Bit late notice to do that for this summer... unless bookings were so low it was insignificant?
TUI pax already booked from SOU affected by TUI cancelling their Flybe allocations to VRN ALC FAO and AGP will likely be offered the same holidays from LGW BOH or BRS or a full refund.

Inghams sell package holidays on WEDS and SATS all summer on Flybe SOU-VRN and take many of the 78 seats on it's own allocation and it is up to Inghams to sell them.

The TUI Flybe charter to Mahon using a Flybe DHC8 on a Saturday is continuing as stated above - Q400 flight time 2h 20m or so - if you're lucky

Strange that TUI can sell almost double the seats to PMI and IBZ on their Volotea charters, than the 78 on the Q400 to MAH....
A319 seats 150/156 and 717 has 125 seats.

But I would think the seat cost for the charterer (TUI) filling a 78 seat prop jet is quids in....
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 19:32
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Can't see any planned expansion happening now ,who would invest in a rapidly declining airport,whose land must be worth a small fortune in housing development.
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 20:14
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Originally Posted by RW20
Can't see any planned expansion happening now ,who would invest in a rapidly declining airport,whose land must be worth a small fortune in housing development.

Here we go again, rolling out the same paragraph that has been done to death, now utterly tedious and predictable!
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Old 9th Apr 2019, 11:26
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Smile

SOU joint owners Macquarie have sold their 36% stake in Brussels Airport for 2 billion euros. Should be enough to fund the airports expansion plans!
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Originally Posted by stewyb
SOU joint owners Macquarie have sold their 36% stake in Brussels Airport for 2 billion euros. Should be enough to fund the airports expansion plans!
It's not the money, it's whether the business is worth investing in, if it is then the money can always be found.

At the moment there seems to be a negative narrative building around SOU, let's hope investors can see beyond that.

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