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Old 7th Jan 2018, 15:22
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Lolo flights are always going to be at best a whimsical idea,the truth is the destinations mentioned would wholely suit Bournemouth rather then Southampton,and indeed would be tried at Bounemouth if they had the pax base for such destinations.
As mentioned by many on this blog,unless Southampton management step up a few gears ( and on recent times this looks very unlikely) the airport will continue much as it is,that is gain a few airlines the lose them,add a odd destination,invest in retail side,but little else investment airside.Southampton will plod on,but not at the pace it could and should be at.

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Old 7th Jan 2018, 15:54
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I agree with everything you have just said

The routes mentioned are far more suited for BOH and some are being trialled this summer with Super break holidays

As said before , Southampton does very well on scheduled flights and will continue to do so Bournemouth the holiday charters
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It seems like a very specific destination list considering it's a puff piece article in a local rag. I'd have expected a generic statement along the lines of "we're hoping to expand our offering to more destinations in the future." A list of destinations such as they mentioned in that article would normally come at the official announcement of the new routes.
So I guess they're either getting way ahead of themselves and blurting out daydream thoughts to the press, or there's maybe something in the pipeline.
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Old 7th Jan 2018, 17:30
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I think it's the former,pure daydream as it gets!
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 20:13
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I assume a route distance of 1400 miles to Skiathos will mean a restricted payload for the E195, any idea on number of seats available?
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 23:20
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall
So an Aer Lingus Regional service operated by Stobart Air, which would compete with the Flybe SOU-DUB service, an airline which also has a franchise agreement with.....oh - Stobart Air? I'd never say never, but that would make for some very interesting dynamics between the two airlines. I'd be offering long odds on that happening if I was Ladbrokes!
I just tried to book on the Flybe website, a through flight via Dublin to a number of destinations in N America served by Aer Lingus. Strangely I was unable. Care to tell me how I can do it please? The whole point of my original post remains.
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Old 9th Jan 2018, 06:02
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You can book through Aer Lingus.
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Southampton has often suffered from being over reliant on 1 airline, be it Air UK, BA Express or currently Flybe. It also needs to have a taxiway that removes the backtracking involved when using Rwy 20.
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Old 9th Jan 2018, 19:40
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The backtracking is not an issue because SOU isn't busy enough for it to be an issue. If it had arrivals and departures stacking up then I'd agree with your sentiment.
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Old 10th Jan 2018, 09:11
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But it would make things a lot more easier for operations at SOU if we did have that taxi way especially during busy periods and to be honest it should have been part of the original redevelopment plan back in 1991.
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Old 10th Jan 2018, 09:22
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Well I can't argue with your sentiment that it would make it easier, but then there's easier and there's necessary and right now it's not really necessary, I've operated from SOU airport off and on for 11 years and I've never once had an issue with the backtracking.
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Old 10th Jan 2018, 10:24
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Think I am right in saying that a taxiway to the 20 threshold would need to be on the eastern side of the runway (ie, via a crossing point at the existing mid-runway taxiway/holding point), as there isn't space to fit one in the other side?

Looking at it in Google Earth, a car park and the 20 ILS glidesplope aerials are in the area where a taxiway would need to go, as far as I can see.
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Old 10th Jan 2018, 11:30
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The only way possible for a additional taxiway would be eastern side,involving crossing the runway,not ideal,but possible.However as stated before there is no immediate need for this,and of course this involves investment ,sadly it's not going to happen.
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Old 10th Jan 2018, 11:49
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Originally Posted by Reversethrustset
Well I can't argue with your sentiment that it would make it easier, but then there's easier and there's necessary and right now it's not really necessary, I've operated from SOU airport off and on for 11 years and I've never once had an issue with the backtracking.
Sorry but you are not talking sense. You only have to look at the discrepancies between the arrivals and departure boards on any given day to see that the majority of arrivals (even the ones that arrive early) are departing late. Of course this could be down to a number of reasons but SOU prides itself on its car to plane time duration, and from personal experience I could not find fault with that. It stands to reason that the lack of any real taxiways is a huge handicap with planes effectively having to sit on stands whilst the runway becomes free. If it was not an important cog in an efficient airport why do all airports have them? Apart from LCY, which other airport in the whole of the UK have backtracking of the runway? Even if this point could be argued, your point is flawed in that a well run business plans for the future, it does not wait until it is crippled before putting its hand in its pocket. The low cost operators would be turned off long before that.
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Old 10th Jan 2018, 11:58
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Don't wait for capacity to be reached, act now and develop an infrastructure fit for future growth. I would imagine a northern taxiway will be put in place at the time of a runway resurface and will probably entail a bit of tarmac from stand 14 out to the runway, more than sufficient to alleviate certain delays and will not cost huge amounts of money if done at the same time. That's my guess anyway!
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
Sorry but you are not talking sense. You only have to look at the discrepancies between the arrivals and departure boards on any given day to see that the majority of arrivals (even the ones that arrive early) are departing late. Of course this could be down to a number of reasons but SOU prides itself on its car to plane time duration, and from personal experience I could not find fault with that. It stands to reason that the lack of any real taxiways is a huge handicap with planes effectively having to sit on stands whilst the runway becomes free. If it was not an important cog in an efficient airport why do all airports have them? Apart from LCY, which other airport in the whole of the UK have backtracking of the runway? Even if this point could be argued, your point is flawed in that a well run business plans for the future, it does not wait until it is crippled before putting its hand in its pocket. The low cost operators would be turned off long before that.
Even SEN have just spent several millions on completely upgrading it's three taxiways in addition to a resurfaced and extended apron area. The three taxiways have greatly reduced the need for runway backtracking, presumably Stobart consider this investment to be future proofing the airport.
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Even SEN have just spent several millions on completely upgrading it's three taxiways in addition to a resurfaced and extended apron area. The three taxiways have greatly reduced the need for runway backtracking, presumably Stobart consider this investment to be future proofing the airport.
Is Twy C being used by EZY now?
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Originally Posted by stewyb
Is Twy C being used by EZY now?
Yes it is.
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Well I can't argue with your sentiment that it would make it easier, but then there's easier and there's necessary and right now it's not really necessary, I've operated from SOU airport off and on for 11 years and I've never once had an issue with the backtracking.
We go again - Reversethrustset is of course correct, there is a difference between what you want and what you need. Still to actually see any evidence of the delays caused by the lack of a taxiway, much less a business case.
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As someone who flies into Southampton multiple times a week, I can't say I have ever been delayed due to having to backtrack. I have had plenty of short delays while waiting for push and start due to other aircraft either taxiing or pushing, but a full length taxiway would not do anything to solve this.
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