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Old 13th Dec 2017, 17:15
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Call it progress = erm YES. !!

Unfortunately the diversion to SOU became a night stop where usually its a fuel and go . BA spread there aircraft around the UK when it comes to mass diversions so most of the airports are able to handle them . On this occasion it wasn't and bags are being forwarded on from LHR

Regards any new routes next year , I doubt it from Easy Jet as this was there debut from SOU to GVA to see how it all performs , first flight tomorrow ....

SOU has done well to get a Greek route so see how that goes first

Noticed that Santa holidays have pulled next years Ivalo charter with Small Planet and put it into BOH instead ( to close distance perhaps to position an A321 aircraft ? )
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 18:26
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Southampton will continue to splutter along as long as there is no further airside developments, the airport has probably reached its full potential as it stands,2018/19 will decide which way it goes.

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Ivalo. Late arrival back to the UK after the hoards are processed. Quite often the 'Santa' flights get back after ATA.
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In SOU this morning (for flight to GCI) and plenty of terminal hullabaloo/balloon arches/water arches (and an appearance by "Eddie The Eagle" Edwards) for the first EZS to GVA. Flight looked to be fairly busy.
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Inbound Easy flight very light load as expected at this time of year , outbound full up , remains to be seen for the rest of the season
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Bodes well that the outbound was full on first day of operation and reckon this route will be very popular. Take off rotation with just over half of runway used, very impressive. Is the field performance of the 320 better than 319?
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The 320 can perform perfectly at Southampton fully loaded to releivity short destinations like Geneva.
The problem is the Sun destinations, especially if conditions are very warm or hot!
Southampton runway length is along with the stands it's major drawback for further progression.
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Great news the EZY route has started. Without putting a downer on things I think the times this morning speak volumes. Arrival due at 8:15 (actually arrived at 8:07 so early), departure scheduled at 9:00 (actual departure 9:39). So even though the flight arrived early, it departed 40 minutes late. So it was on the ground for 1 hour 32 minutes. If this doesn't sum up what's wrong with SOU and why it will never be a base for anyone other than flymaybe then I don't know what is. I'm sure there are some who will say it's early days but vueling and volotea had the same service. You would think the MD would have made a big point of getting the first flight away as perfectly as possible. Sorry guys but nothing is going to change until there is new management.
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The first flight was actually scheduled in longer than normal to make allowances for all the “ razzmatazz “ that goes along with the inaugural first flights
It probably didn’t say on the departure boards , Flight 24 etc though , as already computerised in so I really wouldn’t read to much into that !!

However the hard work begins now , compared with BOH the flight prices are really low on same day departures on many days throughout the season, so wait and see !!!
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So it was on the ground for 1 hour 32 minutes. If this doesn't sum up what's wrong with SOU and why it will never be a base for anyone other than flymaybe then I don't know what is.
Having been present to witness this morning's going's on, I strongly suspect that the long turn-around was at least partly due to all the publicity/media attention in relation to the launch. Pax being plied with welcome drinkies etc. probably also slowed down the process somewhat!

Another Airbus present this evening upon my return in the form of Small Planet 321, recently arrived from Ivalo.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 21:11
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I could not agree more,the long in the tooth management needs to change,until there is positive airside development proposed,airlines like Volotea,Vueling and easyJet will come and go.
Unfortunately it's the same old story at Southampton,while other airports like Cardiff,Southend for example invest and progress.Indeed I think Bournemouth might see progression under new management soon.
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.....don't get me wrong, I completely agree aswell. Airside investment at SOU is sorely needed. Just pointing out that today's circumstances were somewhat non-standard.
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Rodez with Eastern/Flybe back in for Summer 2018
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That's great, the three people who went on it last year must have really enjoyed it!

It's nice to see this route returning, I thought it would have been a one season wonder. I reckon the addition of a Flybe codeshare will bring much greater visibility to it for 2018, as opposed to this year when Eastern marketed it themselves. The loads built up as the season went on, but it certainly had a slow start.

I see it's going to be 3 flights per week for the peak season, is that an increase on this year?
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Rodez was twice weekly this year so an increase yes.

Do we know why Flybe are stopping Lyon from 18th Feb as thought this was a year round service?!
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Wow! The airport is on the rise?
The reality is rather like the football team the management team have let the airport down,no investment airside equals no progression. Simply the airport is on the edge of decline, Without investment,don't expect much!
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Agreed on airside investment but on what basis is the airport on the edge of decline, absolute nonsense!
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Flybe : not in the best of positions, investment non existent,airlines like Vueling, Volotea come and gone!
Airlines using larger planes,it wouldn't fare well if Flybe cut service's,easy arn't waiting in the wings as the Runway restrictions for there upgrading fleet are to restrictive.Not so absolute nonsense I suspect!
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Unfortunately I also have to side with the naysayers. SOU is still completely at the mercy of flymaybe and they have recently handed back 6 Q400s with more to follow. Also no new frames due next year. Eastern make most their money from the oil contracts and these are starting to become marginal so their position is precarious. There are strong rumours Aurigny are about to abandon the Alderney route with a few start ups giving them an excuse to shirk their responsibilities. Low cost carriers in Air Berlin, Vueling, Volotea have been and gone after only 1 year of service and I fully expect Easy will follow. SOU seems to be one of the few routes the usually reliable KLM frequently cancel (cancelled in advance tomorrow morning for seemingly no reason?). Blue islands haven't pulled up any trees on the Channel Islands routes (I think there might be less frequency?). More business jets seem to utilise BOH than SOU which is just bizarre to me (turned away by SOU because of space or cost?) the only silver lining is BMI who amazingly are still maintaining a 2 rotation day and not giving up after 1 year like the others.

As discussed over and over the only golden ticket for SOU is Easy who would almost certainly be able to justify a base twice the size of Southend? The problem is that the airport needs to provide the infrastructure as we all have discussed. The fact that their visibility judgement was made by a man standing on a ladder until recently speaks volumes. This utter negligence must fall squarely at the abject management surely? Red funnel who are another local business that are owned by overseas pensions have just invested 10m within a few months of being bought. BOH invested 50m completely on a speculative basis. How is SOU different? Arguably they have more cause for investment than those two examples.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 20:34
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LYS

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LYS has been cut by BE as part of an entire network route review conducted in the autumn. Biarritz has also been chopped from SOU for S18. On the plus side, SOU based crew are being trained on the Embraer again, avoiding the need (and great expense) of nightstopping MAN crew to operate jet sectors ex-SOU. So you may see more in the way of jet ops from SOU, however no new routes are currently planned (apart from the already announced charters).
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