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Old 17th Aug 2020, 21:22
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The airport passed a small but pretty significant milestone today: over 500 passengers were carried for the first time since the 4th of March, the last day that Flybe operated.
That day just over 3000 passengers passed through the airport, so current numbers are around a sixth of what went before, with total movements including bizjets between 25 and 30% of the previous winter average.
The long and slow climb back from the deepest crisis in the airport's history continues. I'm hoping we'll see over 750 daily passengers sometime in September and the 1000 mark passed sometime in October.
All I'll say is well done to those working to bring SOU back from the brink, and long may the progress continue.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 21:28
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I wonder what the break even figure is?
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 22:03
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Encouraging news and maybe during Sept the airport will be approaching 50% of daily departures versus last summer, not bad all things considered and without any Med/regional France routes. Loads and yields of course are another matter!

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Old 18th Aug 2020, 05:02
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Originally Posted by adfly View Post
Can the pair of you please take your polarised arguments to DM's. It ruins an otherwise pleasant thread.
can you please explain what polarising opinions I have? I post nothing but positive stuff about SOU and am merely standing up to a troll. How about some support? If your going to start bullying other posters on this forum who post nothing but positive comments then perhaps you should be the one taking a step back?
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Old 18th Aug 2020, 07:20
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According to their website, KLM are increasing to 2 daily from Sunday 25th October. There will be morning and evening flights, both on E190.
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Old 18th Aug 2020, 09:06
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Originally Posted by The Nutts Mutts View Post
According to their website, KLM are increasing to 2 daily from Sunday 25th October. There will be morning and evening flights, both on E190.
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Old 18th Aug 2020, 09:31
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The good news just keeps coming. Thatís what happens when you stay positive. Credit due to the management who are doing a stirling job especially in difficult times. Expect Hop to be the next announcement on the Paris route.
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Old 18th Aug 2020, 09:38
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint View Post
Expect Hop to be the next announcement on the Paris route.
Is that a personal opinion or have you heard something? Would be great to get Paris back.
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Old 18th Aug 2020, 15:18
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A couple of contrasting Eastern Airways updates:

Dublin now isn't bookable until the 28th October, seemingly a victim of the current Irish quarantine situation. However, Belfast City appears to be going double-daily from the 14th September, much earlier than initially planned (26th October).
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Old 18th Aug 2020, 15:31
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Is that a personal opinion or have you heard something? Would be great to get Paris back.
Seeing as they are both owned by the Air France/KLM group, HOP could be a good bet for CDG with AMS already in place with Cityhopper!

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Old 18th Aug 2020, 21:45
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Originally Posted by The Nutts Mutts View Post
Is that a personal opinion or have you heard something? Would be great to get Paris back.

Personal opinion but they seem the most logical fit until EZY open a base, and SOU have confirmed that they are in discussions in respect of this route (BI an outside bet). Hop of course use to operate the CDG route in one of their previous guises Brit Air, and did so for a while in competition with BE. That was with the CRJ as well, which isn't the best from SOU and they were also moving to the 700/900 models which cannot operate from SOU as far as I know. They now have E170/190s which would be able to operate from SOU, and now with no competition. They operate to ABZ which is another AGS airport and with similar annual passengers on the route.
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Old 18th Aug 2020, 22:36
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I'm afraid that I think you're completely delusional if you still think there is any prospect of easyJet opening a SOU base in any form of reasonable planning timeframe. It just isn't going to happen.

For different reasons, I also think the prospect of an AF CDG service is very limited. AF/KL have jointly looked at how best to serve regional markets and in all but the larger markets, they will not be served by both KL and AF as the presence of the other makes the viability of the other less assured. There is only so much hub feed to go around. That's why you have not seen a headlong rush by AF into the likes of Cardiff, Exeter and Southampton despite the loss of Flybe connections to CDG from all three. CWL already has KL and EXT might land one or the other, but unlikely to have both. SOU has just seen a great announcement today by KLM increasing from 1 to 2 flights per day to AMS, which is great news for the airport. No matter how much you think they should, AF are not going to piss on KLM's chips (if you'll forgive the crudity of the statement) by adding SOU-CDG.

Blind hope and optimism is lovely to see, but your posting has lashings of both which are way beyond any bounds of credibility.

[PS: ABZ has both KL and AF. AF presence at ABZ is pretty much on the basis of a corporate contract from Total which is AF's largest corporate customer worldwide and has a big operation in ABZ. Pernod Ricard also is a big AF corporate customer with a few major investments accessed through ABZ. There's a reason it's there.]
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Old 18th Aug 2020, 22:51
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At least some one talks some common sense!
The wishful thinking has to stop,Easy no no no!As for CDG ,perhaps Blue island one day,but not this year. It's very difficult to see what other routes SOU will pick up ,certainly it won't be any European ones for a year or two.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 08:30
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I have to agree also with Albert Hall. By all means be optimistic in these depressing days, but delusional optimism isn't worth anything. It will only raise the hopes of some who were previously employed at SOU before buoyancy turns to despair. Leave EasyJet to make its own plans. The reality is that EZY is tightening its belt, closing bases, and reducing its fleet. This is not the time for expansion but for survival. We've got to get through the winter. Getting over this recession is likely to take more than the original prediction of 2-3 years. EZY won't want to invest in a venture that may not work out.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 15:54
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There's more chance of Putin giving up his nuclear arsenal than there is of easy opening a base at SOU, if they couldn't make SEN work in great economic times there's not a cat's chance in hell of SOU working in bad to medium times.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 16:07
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The airport has suggested already they want to attract an airline/s to operate the med routes at the very least which have proved successful in the past. If and when the extension is completed, If not EZY, who do we think said airline would be, maybe the return of Volotea direct or via TUI?

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Old 19th Aug 2020, 16:24
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Wanting to attract an airline is one thing. Succeeding in doing so is another. Yes, it would be good if it could be done but the reality may not be the same.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 16:42
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Most airports in the current circumstances want to attract airlines/new routes, whilst at the same time most airlines are consolidating/reducing their bases, Wizz being the exception amongst the LCC's. Realistically, until the sector recovers in 3/4 years, there is very little chance that any LCC would consider a base at Southampton. The best that can be expected may be one or two services operated from other bases on a W pattern. Enthusiasm is one thing, reality is another.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 17:07
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Originally Posted by FFHKG View Post
Most airports in the current circumstances want to attract airlines/new routes, whilst at the same time most airlines are consolidating/reducing their bases, Wizz being the exception amongst the LCC's. Realistically, until the sector recovers in 3/4 years, there is very little chance that any LCC would consider a base at Southampton. The best that can be expected may be one or two services operated from other bases on a W pattern. Enthusiasm is one thing, reality is another.
Agreed and at this time operating from another base on W patterns is the best SOU can probably hope for!

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Old 20th Aug 2020, 00:12
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Isnít it better for SOU to invest in two or three years time rather than right in the middle of this crisis!? What airlines are they banking on now??? They should pause the process.

As for potential airlines, who would come in? Ryanair have already publicly stated they wouldnít come to SOU. Wizzair could come in but they just announced LGW so doubt it. Plus they are likely to quit super fast if it doesnít work. Jet2 is shedding pilots. easyJet is CLOSING bases.

If I was an investor in AGS I would NOT be sinking money into SOU right now. Iíd be preserving cash to support a smaller operation so I can survive. Then I would consider the extension during recovery. Iím sure SOU can find a way to downsize the operation so itís more efficient and cheaper for existing operators. Loganair plan to retire their jets and replace with ATRís so the argument that the runway ext is needed for them is false.

Iíd much rather a quality 4 times daily KLM operation in 2021 rather than a single daily easyJet to AMS

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