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Old 17th May 2018, 14:04
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Remember that Cork began at the start of the Roy Keane era at Sunderland which brought in a large number of Irish - based supporters. I doubt if any of that traffic is here today. It’s quite a long sector for the ATR, easier pickings on BRS or BHX.7
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Old 17th May 2018, 14:17
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Originally Posted by jensdad View Post
It does seem though that a lot of routes started from NCL in the last decade or so are having trouble sticking around...
Just the normal ebb and flow of marginal routes - remember Ryanair no longer operate half the routes they've ever started!

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Old 17th May 2018, 14:18
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Cork

Hardly surprising, loads arenít great and neither are the flight times. Maybe one for BMI to pick up over the weekend when the aircraft is sitting around not doing much.
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Old 17th May 2018, 14:22
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Hasn't this been said before then the route goes on sale again a few weeks before the season starts

wasnt it going to end in January then went on sale in the December?
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Old 17th May 2018, 14:48
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Why does passport control make you walk for miles along the zig-zags when it is very quiet?
The sarcy, "enjoy your walk, did you?" when you get to the end really doesn't help.
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Old 17th May 2018, 15:43
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Had a similar experience a couple of weeks ago at TFS security, I took a short cut because there was nobody else around and the lady at the Boarding Pass check made me go the long way round....jobs worth...Hmmmm !!!!

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Old 17th May 2018, 16:12
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And I didn't see anyone allowed to use the new machines.
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Old 17th May 2018, 16:18
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We all need the exercise, don't we?
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Old 17th May 2018, 18:10
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Just out of interest @ash666. Given that you can't visit the airport without complaint I'm wondering if you've ever considered complaining and I'd so what the response from the airport or perhaps considering an airport that better meets your needs?

Passport control can go from a slow trickle, to busy, to carnage and back to dead all within the space of 45 minutes. I doubt it's practical not required to hare anyone change the layout of the walkways continually throughout the day.

Im not aware of the automatic barriers being by invitation only. They're the default and barrier of choice now for the UK Border. If they're not available or blocked off then that's down to UKBA so I recommend younaddress your complaint to the,
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Old 17th May 2018, 18:25
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Just out of interest @ash666. Given that you can't visit the airport without complaint I'm wondering if you've ever considered complaining and I'd so what the response from the airport or perhaps considering an airport that better meets your needs?

Passport control can go from a slow trickle, to busy, to carnage and back to dead all within the space of 45 minutes. I doubt it's practical not required to hare anyone change the layout of the walkways continually throughout the day.

Im not aware of the automatic barriers being by invitation only. They're the default and barrier of choice now for the UK Border. If they're not available or blocked off then that's down to UKBA so I recommend younaddress your complaint to the,
I thought the whole design of the layout was so that the "webbing" between the posts could be changed quickly and easily. You would only make the sarcastic comment about the walk if you knew it was so unnecessary. I can hear other passengers talking, it's far from being just me who complains.

Why is the sky priority check-in desk for KLM/AF never manned (in my experience)? It doesn't matter if that is down to KLM/AF as it still reflects on the airport itself.
Likewise passport control. Passengers will just blame the airport if the machines are not accessible, not UKBA.

Why do the baggage handlers not get the priority bags off first when it can mean getting or missing the last train? Shame there was no phone signal in the luggage area.
I wouldn't waste my time complaining as it would be the predictable fob off.

There are many airports round the world I don't have a problem with, including the much maligned LHR.

Mind, AMS gets worse by the visit.
This time:

Security woman: "take your belt off "
"I can't, it's part of my trousers"
"Take your belt off "
I can't, it's part of my trousers "
"Take your belt off"....

They can't complain if I just roll my eyes and walk past.
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Old 18th May 2018, 07:11
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I do wonder, though, what sort of person travels in business class on the AMS flight if they are not going on anywhere.

Economy £99, business £829.

Are there really that many stupidly rich people that would pay an extra £700 just to get on and off first with a snack on the flight for a 1 hour trip? Even a slightly bigger luggage allowance doesn't get close to justifying that.

Are they stupidly rich or just stupid? Or have egos the size of Everest?

Or some other genuine reason?
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Old 18th May 2018, 07:26
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I took the liberty of checking EDI and LBA and am pleased to confirm that this is not a NCL specific phenomena. The other airports have similar fares. It's also similar on AF to CDG.

I's hazard a guess and the the economy is a fixed ticket and the business class is flexible. As for who buys them, I've no idea. Either that or dissuading people from using biz on the short flights keeping it for those who are connecting long haul and spending thousands with them.

Still for some people checking in on social media 'in the lounge' (cringe) or strutting though the terminal with their business class bag tags proudly on show (double cringe) or strutting up to the gate as the Europe Select/Flying Blue Gold boarding call is made (triple cringe) is a price worth paying for them.
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Old 18th May 2018, 08:01
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They would have their work cut out at CDD where half the plane has Sky Priority!

It does make me wonder if it is worth having a business class at all on these 1 hour flights. I've rarely seen it even half full and even if pax are travelling business class long haul from AMS and the NCL flight is thrown in for nothing as long as they get a priority check-in and baggage allowance would they really mind sitting in economy for a 1 hour trip? I wouldn't.

There is a regular domestic flight I use in Thailand which rarely has anyone in busy class at all. They still pull the curtains, mind!
Or maybe I would as well if I was cabin crew to stop both toilets being used.

Another first the other day on AMS-NCL when someone was asked to stow his small paperback book for take-off.
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Old 18th May 2018, 10:00
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Originally Posted by ash666 View Post
I do wonder, though, what sort of person travels in business class on the AMS flight if they are not going on anywhere.

Economy £99, business £829.

Are there really that many stupidly rich people that would pay an extra £700 just to get on and off first with a snack on the flight for a 1 hour trip? Even a slightly bigger luggage allowance doesn't get close to justifying that.

Are they stupidly rich or just stupid? Or have egos the size of Everest?

Or some other genuine reason?
is someone a little bit jealous here that they canít afford it. If someone travels business maybe itís because they are valuable to their company, have worked hard to be able to do it or just treating themselves. Hardly an excuse to call them stupid. Mind you some may do it for the space and get away from some bitter, moaning and miserable people that do travel economy. I wouldnít want to sit next to these people even if the flight is only 1 hour. Also have you ever thought that the cost of these tickets may allow the airlines to offer cheaper economy tickets, or even keep the route going.
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Old 18th May 2018, 10:13
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is someone a little bit jealous here that they canít afford it. If someone travels business maybe itís because they are valuable to their company, have worked hard to be able to do it or just treating themselves. Hardly an excuse to call them stupid. Mind you some may do it for the space and get away from some bitter, moaning and miserable people that do travel economy. I wouldnít want to sit next to these people even if the flight is only 1 hour. Also have you ever thought that the cost of these tickets may allow the airlines to offer cheaper economy tickets, or even keep the route going.
If I was the richest person in the world I wouldn't pay £829 for a 1 hour flight. Jealousy doesn't come into it.
If it was a business traveller on company business then if it was a PLC the shareholders would be up in arms at such a gross waste of company funds.

I'm not sure the is much more space, if any.

I have travelled business class on this flight many times but only because I get it as a free (or less!!) add-on to the long haul where it really is worth paying the business class fare. The long haul fare is only 2X the NCL-AMS fare.
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Old 18th May 2018, 10:57
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The Rich often pay far more than £ 829 for an hour's flight - they use Business jets and they ALL cost more than that

When you are rich the $$$ isn't important cp your time and convenience - in fact that is one of the main things money brings to you - freedom to do what you want, when you want it
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Old 18th May 2018, 11:09
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"I wish I was rich enough to afford a solid gold bowling alley".
"Why do you want a solid gold bowling alley?"
"I don't, I just wish I was rich enough to afford....."
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Old 18th May 2018, 11:25
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Ash,
You have answered your own question. When you buy a business class long haul with KLM (or its partners) or even a european onward connection from AMS in business using a UK KLM feeder ie from NCL you are usually in business on the UK sector also if that makes sense.
The same applies on the LHR domestic flights with BA and its partners.
I seem to remember someone saying that its to give a seamless business experience for the entire journey ! ie lounges, priority boarding, extra bags etc. But obviously not the same seat.
So perhaps the vast majority of those in business on NCL-AMS and NCL-LHR fit into the above category.
Most of those in business on the feeders will therefore not be paying the high prices you quote ( a few will though )
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Old 18th May 2018, 11:28
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Ash,
You have answered your own question. When you buy a business class long haul with KLM (or its partners) or even a european onward connection from AMS in business using a UK feeder ie from NCL you are usually in business on the UK sector also if that makes sense.
The same applies on the LHR domestic flights.
I seem to remember someone saying that its to give a seamless business experience for the entire journey ! ie lounges, priority boarding, extra bags etc. But obviously not the same seat.
So perhaps the vast majority of those in business on NCL-AMS and NCL-LHR fit into the above category.
Yes, my original point was about those with no onward connections, only doing NCL-AMS-NCL and paying that amount of money for it.
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Old 18th May 2018, 11:42
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There wont be many doing that. But its available if anyone wants to.
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