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Old 21st Jun 2018, 19:43
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Originally Posted by Ph1l1pncl
BA seems to be considerably reducing its Newcastle flights. In many days in July and August they are down to just 3/4 rotations a day. It already feels like a slippery slope with the reduction in the schedules for winter. Even during the height of the financial crisis we kept the 6 daily flights.
Maybe you can give some example dates as from what I can see is that it is pretty much the usual winter schedule of 5 flights Sun-Fri and 4 on a Saturday. There is the odd day down to 4 which is frustrating (4 Aug) but these are by far the exception.

As @SWBKCB said, BA's winter NCL schedule is always 1 flight less a day than the summer one - and note that one of the late afternoon NCL summer departures is a slot sitter which seems to disappear during July & August.
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Old 21st Jun 2018, 22:06
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Originally Posted by tigertanaka
Maybe you can give some example dates as from what I can see is that it is pretty much the usual winter schedule of 5 flights Sun-Fri and 4 on a Saturday. There is the odd day down to 4 which is frustrating (4 Aug) but these are by far the exception.
As @SWBKCB said, BA's winter NCL schedule is always 1 flight less a day than the summer one - and note that one of the late afternoon NCL summer departures is a slot sitter which seems to disappear during July & August.
My understanding too. - NCL is prime for expansion on this route, but currently, looking at fares, this route is very profitable. Once LHR expansion takes place, frequency will increase to EDI, MAN and GLA levels.
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Old 21st Jun 2018, 23:08
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For a number of years now NCL has has six flights per day, Mon to Fri both in summer and winter. With up to 6 flights on winter Saturdays, 4 on summer Saturdays and 5 on both winter and summer Sundays.

In fact on some days within the last year or two there has been 7 flights per day. ( probably the extra one being a slot sitter)

The reduction to five per day this coming winter is highly unusual as for many many years its always been six.

Yes there are some reductions to 3 or 4 on some days during the next few weeks, although some of the days where the schedule was reduced to 3 appear to have been changed to 4 in the last few hours. Probably as the availability of seats on alternative flights for those on connections already booked could not be met with just three flights if that makes sense ??

The schedule is very erratic over the next few weeks some days 6 some 5 and some 4. It should be noted that these changes appear to have been made quite recently and numerous people will have had there plans disrupted.

Not good for the busiest route out of NCL

Aircraft shortage ??
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Old 21st Jun 2018, 23:49
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Newcastle has always been 6 flights Mon-Fri with 4 on Saturdays and 5 on Sundays.

I tweeted the airport about the reductions over the summer and they acknowledged the recent reductions and said they are trying to get a stable schedule from BA and working with them.

The extra 7th flight in the past winter season was a slot sitter for the cancelled Doha flights in December and January, it resulted in two flights departing within 5 minutes of each other.

If the route was doing that amazing they wouldn’t be cancelling flights in the height of summer to help fund other destinations.
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Old 22nd Jun 2018, 09:12
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The route carries an average of 40,000 pax per month and is the airports busiest route.
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Old 22nd Jun 2018, 10:24
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[QUOTE=VentureGo;
Once LHR expansion takes place, frequency will increase to EDI, MAN and GLA levels.[/QUOTE]
This cliche really irk's me, there is currently no likelihood of a 3rd runaway for many years if at all. Even if it is built, then everything that has been said becomes irrelevant. It makes good political press to say that a 3rd runway will benefit virtually every commercially active airport in the UK in some form, but then at the end of the day there is reality.... No one in government, other than to save their own a**e, gives a monkeys about anywhere North of Watford Gap, "London rules "& only if it benefits London & South.
Initially China & all other developing economies will no doubt have 100% of their slot requirements satisfied, will any Government look to distributing any "spare" slots, other than again, on a political basis to serve their own needs?
Things have deteriorated significantly in UK domestic route development over the past 30 years, & insofar as NCL is concerned BA are one of the villains & not saviors..i.e LGA, we have also had LTN & STN offerings from other airlines that have come & gone for various reasons.
Historically then from a political perspective, it hardly places NCL in a strong position to demand further slots, if & when there is a "divi out" due to surplus availability from a "3rd Runway".
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Old 22nd Jun 2018, 14:14
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You only have to look at Leeds to see what happens if a route to LHR doesn’t perform. We would still have had Gatwick if the schedule had been anywhere suitable for a north-east based passenger. Newcastle is right on the margin for a viable point to point a service to London. If rail fares weren’t so ridiculously expensive and reliability poor, then 40,000 passengers per month would very quickly become 30,000 with all the consequences to frequency that would trigger.
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Old 22nd Jun 2018, 14:57
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Originally Posted by skyman771
insofar as NCL is concerned BA are one of the villains & not saviors..i.e LGA
I have heard airport management describe the LHR as their 'bread and butter' so to be fair, I'm not sure anyone at the airport sees then as villains. If I'm being devil's advocate (I don't have access to detailed passenger figures), could it be argued that dropping LGW actually defended the LHR route?

Having said this - and I may have said this before - but if I were working for BA or KLM/AF, I would have been a bit irked by the airport's ecstatic crowing that 'you can now [my italics] fly to Thailand/ Mauritius/ China etc with just one stop' when Emirates came in.
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Old 22nd Jun 2018, 16:33
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Nobody gets "irked" - they all just look at the bottom line................

TBH I can only see LHR flights continuing to reduce long-term - there are many better alternatives
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Old 22nd Jun 2018, 17:58
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
TBH I can only see LHR flights continuing to reduce long-term
Definitely. Our LHR service has actually held up very well compared to Edinburgh, Glasgow etc. who had more-or-less hourly services on both BA and BMA back in the day.
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 09:50
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I see the very erratic BA LHR service over the next few months has begun. Noticed that the fares are extortionate on many flights. Over 350 economy "single" on lots of journeys where seats are available, not just in the coming days but coming months.

So is this due to a shortage of seats or something else ?
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 10:09
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Originally Posted by fl dutchman
I see the very erratic BA LHR service over the next few months has begun. Noticed that the fares are extortionate on many flights. Over 350 economy "single" on lots of journeys where seats are available, not just in the coming days but coming months.

So is this due to a shortage of seats or something else ?
It's what the market will bear!
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Heathrow up 7% in the May CAA stats
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Old 3rd Jul 2018, 18:14
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It will be interesting to see what the July and August 2018 figures are like.
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 17:42
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Dubai up 8% in May CAA stats
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 18:05
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I suppose it’s not rocket science.....flights to Heathrow. Decrease and the population of the NE select Emirates,klm,Air France et al..that’s an awful lot of transit passengers missing Heathrow and going elsewhere? Now the NE needs a Lufthansa connection desperately and Aer Lingus to step up?

If you need Aberdeen then up to 4 flights per day from DTV (plus KLM also)so the area is well covered!!
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 17:15
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Carlisle operations now delayed until SPRING 2019. I hope Aer Lingus and Ryanair will be looking at re-instating some of the lost Irish capacity at NCL.and North East area as a whole.
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 09:04
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EZY made their first new winter 18/19 route announcement yesterday...3 new routes from Belfast. Hopefully, Newcastle may get something new.
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 09:57
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It appears nothing new for NCL
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 22:54
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The stats for June are now on the airport website.
Movements for June...2018..... 3941...... (4202 Jun 2017)
Pax for Jun 2018...594,245......(.587,953 Jun. 2017)

another increase in pax against a drop in movements
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