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The old problem of confusing transit pax with transfer pax. The CAA figures will refer for example to pax from ISL transiting through MAN to JFK on a through flight.
flybe pax transferring from say Exeter to EY at MAN will be included in both the domestic pax figures and the scheduled international. i.e. will be counted 4 times for a return flight under terminal pax.
Hope this is right but it's how I understand it.
flybe pax transferring from say Exeter to EY at MAN will be included in both the domestic pax figures and the scheduled international. i.e. will be counted 4 times for a return flight under terminal pax.
Hope this is right but it's how I understand it.
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I thought that that figure was transit and not transfer. So it's just people who get off and back on the same flight. Not sure if data on transfer is recorded and it wouldn't capture informal transfer of course anyway.
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MANFOD's understanding is absolutely correct. Transit pax are those that arrive and depart on the same flight.
The numbers of transfers (ie connecting) pax are not routinely recorded. The best source of data are the CAA's periodic surveys, summaries of which are on the CAA website.
The numbers of transfers (ie connecting) pax are not routinely recorded. The best source of data are the CAA's periodic surveys, summaries of which are on the CAA website.
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I think you'll find that's the total of Kuwait Airways transit passengers flying KWI-JFK and vice versa with a transit stop in LHR. I think that's the only transit service in LHR.
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Emirates coming in after declaring emergency Flightradar24.com - Live flight tracker! (diverted from dst JFK)
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I think you'll find that's the total of Kuwait Airways transit passengers flying KWI-JFK and vice versa with a transit stop in LHR. I think that's the only transit service in LHR.
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Nothing new here but it's Mr O'Toole's first piece for the M.E.N since he was appointed MD of MAN.
Opinion: Our thriving gateway - Manchester Evening News
Opinion: Our thriving gateway - Manchester Evening News
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Thank you MANFOD
Opinion: Our thriving gateway - Manchester Evening News
Very Factual, Very Safe, Very Accurate.....but sadly very dull !
Who ever the MAG scriptwriters are, a blossoming career with The One Show awaits !
With his roots steeped in Irish Culture a couple of pints of Guinness beforehand would not have done Mr O'Toole any harm...to me at least this appeared to be totally devoid of passion !
Oscar Wilde, James Joyce etc you can rest easy !
There is something called an E.... ongoing at the moment, I won't mention the word but, well you know what it is !
Maybe a time to influence ?
An opportunity to set out ones own mandate,
A ideal time to air opinions, even grievances maybe ", "just a thought"
So what might a more robust , Churchillian (with a hint of Irish) speech by our new table thumping MD of Manchester Airport have also suggested ?
A) To hell with your Airport Capacity Report, we will NOT be dictated to by a failed banker that long haul from the regions won't work because we have to meet environmental targets, that seemingly do not apply to the South East.
B) We will NOT have a Government of any persuasion underwrite any blank cheques to projects with a South Eastern Airport bias where the resultant outcome is out by a factor of 100% with reference to a return !
C) We ARE mindful of a possible coalition, possibly highly influenced by Scottish MPs who having already successfully negotiated a 50% reduction in APD, argue EQUALLY vehemently about the expansion of LHR based on the false premise of connectivity to Scotland ....... a need which even to the most dimmest of observers is ALREADY IN PLACE, in terms of both frequency and capacity !
In the pre election run we will need to shout to be heard......!
Opinion: Our thriving gateway - Manchester Evening News
Very Factual, Very Safe, Very Accurate.....but sadly very dull !
Who ever the MAG scriptwriters are, a blossoming career with The One Show awaits !
With his roots steeped in Irish Culture a couple of pints of Guinness beforehand would not have done Mr O'Toole any harm...to me at least this appeared to be totally devoid of passion !
Oscar Wilde, James Joyce etc you can rest easy !
There is something called an E.... ongoing at the moment, I won't mention the word but, well you know what it is !
Maybe a time to influence ?
An opportunity to set out ones own mandate,
A ideal time to air opinions, even grievances maybe ", "just a thought"
So what might a more robust , Churchillian (with a hint of Irish) speech by our new table thumping MD of Manchester Airport have also suggested ?
A) To hell with your Airport Capacity Report, we will NOT be dictated to by a failed banker that long haul from the regions won't work because we have to meet environmental targets, that seemingly do not apply to the South East.
B) We will NOT have a Government of any persuasion underwrite any blank cheques to projects with a South Eastern Airport bias where the resultant outcome is out by a factor of 100% with reference to a return !
C) We ARE mindful of a possible coalition, possibly highly influenced by Scottish MPs who having already successfully negotiated a 50% reduction in APD, argue EQUALLY vehemently about the expansion of LHR based on the false premise of connectivity to Scotland ....... a need which even to the most dimmest of observers is ALREADY IN PLACE, in terms of both frequency and capacity !
In the pre election run we will need to shout to be heard......!
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And one more; this time from the M.E.N Business Editor.
Manchester Airport breaks its all-time passenger numbers record - Manchester Evening News
A record year (to 31 March presumably), although figures for the month of March not specifically given.
But there is a reference to ongoing talks for routes to mainland China and the US West Coast.
However, a rather strange comment that MAN feel that all cities in Europe where routes would be viable are now served and that the aim now is to increase frequencies. I can think of odd ones in France, Spain and Romania (if LPL hadn't got in first) that might work. Does that tell us anything about what they expect, or not, from easyjet or Ryanair I wonder.
Anyway, well done MAN.
Manchester Airport breaks its all-time passenger numbers record - Manchester Evening News
A record year (to 31 March presumably), although figures for the month of March not specifically given.
But there is a reference to ongoing talks for routes to mainland China and the US West Coast.
However, a rather strange comment that MAN feel that all cities in Europe where routes would be viable are now served and that the aim now is to increase frequencies. I can think of odd ones in France, Spain and Romania (if LPL hadn't got in first) that might work. Does that tell us anything about what they expect, or not, from easyjet or Ryanair I wonder.
Anyway, well done MAN.
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Full flights
I've just spent quite some time on the phone with my travel agent trying to get a flight from Sydney to Manchester next Thursday 16th or Friday 17th March, either on Emirates, Cathay, or (very much my last choice) BA via LHR. There are no seats on any of those carriers on those days, save for the Thursday CX service where there are apparently 2 business class seats left. Alas, my employer won't allow travel at the pointy end. So I'm having to postpone my travel plans for a few days in order to get flights.
The other alternative was Etihad, who could get me there on Friday, but only 3 economy seats left. I used to fly Etihad, but no longer do so, so won't be taking that option.
Although inconvenient for me, it's good to see that Emirates, Etihad and Cathay are all full inbound to MAN on 16th / 17th April. I believe part of the reason is the 100th anniversary of Anzac day, with many Australians traveling to Europe to commemorate the event. Flights into LHR were also full, hence my failure to even get there on BA (I could get to LHR on BA, but no seats left on the shuttle to MAN.)
The other alternative was Etihad, who could get me there on Friday, but only 3 economy seats left. I used to fly Etihad, but no longer do so, so won't be taking that option.
Although inconvenient for me, it's good to see that Emirates, Etihad and Cathay are all full inbound to MAN on 16th / 17th April. I believe part of the reason is the 100th anniversary of Anzac day, with many Australians traveling to Europe to commemorate the event. Flights into LHR were also full, hence my failure to even get there on BA (I could get to LHR on BA, but no seats left on the shuttle to MAN.)
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Re previous post on M.E.N Article; there is actually a reference to growth last month being 10%. I assume that means March and not Feb which was also 10%. I feel we should be cautious about prospects for April which last year included the whole of the Easter holiday period. I suspect March this year will have got some benefit from the earlier Easter and of course April will see no Little Red flights and a late restart for ORD for example. However, there are some new routes, including those carried over from winter.
The quote about destinations in Europe was:
Mr O’Toole added: “We believe there is not a destination in Europe for which there is demand that we do not have an existing service to.
“Our objective is now very much about building the frequency of flights to these location.”
Any other views on that first sentence? I guess it's intended to be positive PR saying look what we've achieved and how important MAN is. Perhaps it's just me, but I think there's a hint of complacency and even lack of ambition. How about those destinations served from LPL and not MAN. Do we just accept the status quo?
Edit: Could it perhaps be a reflection and acceptance of the capacity constraints at busy times? Increased frequencies to Europe would probably not require additional based a/c and might operate at quieter periods of the day.
The quote about destinations in Europe was:
Mr O’Toole added: “We believe there is not a destination in Europe for which there is demand that we do not have an existing service to.
“Our objective is now very much about building the frequency of flights to these location.”
Any other views on that first sentence? I guess it's intended to be positive PR saying look what we've achieved and how important MAN is. Perhaps it's just me, but I think there's a hint of complacency and even lack of ambition. How about those destinations served from LPL and not MAN. Do we just accept the status quo?
Edit: Could it perhaps be a reflection and acceptance of the capacity constraints at busy times? Increased frequencies to Europe would probably not require additional based a/c and might operate at quieter periods of the day.
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All a bit odd ....
This from CityAM.
Was a new press release rushed out ?
Manchester Airport cashing in on turbulence at London rivals | City A.M.
“We have made great headway to unlock the spare capacity at Man*ch*ester Airport and are in talks with a range of carriers to further capitalise on the potential we offer in the short- to medium-term while the south east capacity debate evolves.”
AND this from InsiderMedia
another press release
http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/...urther-growth/
and a different set of quotes including
Manchester has also been pushing hard in recent months to establish a direct link to mainland China and Insider understands a service to Beijing could be agreed before the end of the year.
This from CityAM.
Was a new press release rushed out ?
Manchester Airport cashing in on turbulence at London rivals | City A.M.
“We have made great headway to unlock the spare capacity at Man*ch*ester Airport and are in talks with a range of carriers to further capitalise on the potential we offer in the short- to medium-term while the south east capacity debate evolves.”
AND this from InsiderMedia
another press release
http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/...urther-growth/
and a different set of quotes including
Manchester has also been pushing hard in recent months to establish a direct link to mainland China and Insider understands a service to Beijing could be agreed before the end of the year.
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Many thanks Bagso for those other links.
Unfortunately, MAN is not mentioned in this item.
Hainan Airlines Proposes 4 International Routes Launch in s15 :: Routesonline
Unfortunately, MAN is not mentioned in this item.
Hainan Airlines Proposes 4 International Routes Launch in s15 :: Routesonline
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I think he may be alluding to the fact that any new service will likely be wanting to use the terminals during peak times. MAN has 2 runways, but not much available in terminal capacity when people want to fly.
Good news that MAN has got back to the mid 2000's level, lets hope it can keep these levels up.
Good news that MAN has got back to the mid 2000's level, lets hope it can keep these levels up.
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I think we can say the Hainan news is another duff.
Its interesting the news comes direct from Hainan (a copy of the email can be found on 'the hub routes' twitter), so would be unfair to blame Sarah1991 for the duff info, but, you have to wonder why Hainan are giving out this wrong, and sometimes conflicting information.
I mean, to say a route will be bookable today is quite a confident statement.
Lost in translation perhaps?
What worries me is that from the press releases about MAN's record pax numbers, Beijing seems to have gone from 'announced in the next 3 months' to back in the 'wishlist' pile alongside LAX/BKK/BOM and ICN.
Its interesting the news comes direct from Hainan (a copy of the email can be found on 'the hub routes' twitter), so would be unfair to blame Sarah1991 for the duff info, but, you have to wonder why Hainan are giving out this wrong, and sometimes conflicting information.
I mean, to say a route will be bookable today is quite a confident statement.
Lost in translation perhaps?
What worries me is that from the press releases about MAN's record pax numbers, Beijing seems to have gone from 'announced in the next 3 months' to back in the 'wishlist' pile alongside LAX/BKK/BOM and ICN.
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I think he may be alluding to the fact that any new service will likely be wanting to use the terminals during peak times. MAN has 2 runways, but not much available in terminal capacity when people want to fly.
LAX LHR, re Hainan, in the routesonline item about 4 new destinations, it refers to the routes being in their pdf schedule file (or some such name) but not in GDS. What is the significance of that, if any? With 2 routes to Japan, LAX and TLV specified, it does make you wonder how far down the list MAN now is.