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There is an aspirational 2050 route network showing what TFN want to see as a minimum 5x weekly service from MAN (this does not include european routes).
A very interesting read.
A very interesting read.
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The Vueling website itself is actually the best info for the aircraft configs. When you run through a mock booking, it actually tells you straight away of the aircraft has 180/186/220 seats.
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Vueling timetable is showing BCN-MAN at 3x daily on MON/THU but no flights on TUE/FRI.
Currently showing BCN-MAN (on MON/THU)
1315 BCN 1450 MAN
1825 BCN 2010 MAN
2210 BCN 2355 MAN
Currently showing BCN-MAN (on MON/THU)
1315 BCN 1450 MAN
1825 BCN 2010 MAN
2210 BCN 2355 MAN
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I went to the TfN conference today. It was ok. Had hoped for more discussion on APD.
the aspirational route network is an odd one for me. It shows routes to Australia and New Zealand that would need new technology and, although it's 2050, it seems pie in the sky to me. Also, a distinct lack of routes to Africa whereas the economy in East Africa is picking up and barriers to businesses in the North helping them would be in place if we did not have routes. I see Nairobi and Dar Es Salaam as a minimum.
the aspirational route network is an odd one for me. It shows routes to Australia and New Zealand that would need new technology and, although it's 2050, it seems pie in the sky to me. Also, a distinct lack of routes to Africa whereas the economy in East Africa is picking up and barriers to businesses in the North helping them would be in place if we did not have routes. I see Nairobi and Dar Es Salaam as a minimum.
I really don`t think anywhere in East Africa could be a success and to honest many of the routes in to London struggle to make money
Many routes have to operate as the governments say that they have to but lose a bucket full of money but are needed for embassy traffic, post etc
Many routes have to operate as the governments say that they have to but lose a bucket full of money but are needed for embassy traffic, post etc
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I don't agree that it is pie in the sky, the network perhaps lacks focus (eg the omission of ADD) but as a general aspiration it's fine.
Taken individually, 18 of the specified routes are currently unserved. That number drops to 15 if you remove Sydney, Melbourne and Auckland.
To the best of my knowledge, 5 of these have been served in the relatively recent past: Calgary, Charlotte, Washington DC, Johannesburg, Kuala Lumpur. I think Colombo may have been served before but I'm not sure.
That leaves (by my count) the following 9 routes:
Rio de Janeiro
Delhi
Mumbai
Shanghai
Guangzhou
Bangkok
Manila
Tokyo
Beirut
In isolation, none of these are flights of fancy. We know there is interest in India, Shanghai is in a queue, Bangkok is a matter of time, and the airport itself have called out Tokyo.
Of these Rio and Manila look the most extreme - but who knows where they will be in 33 years time?
The key to this is "frequent" 5x weekly - and a number of MANs blue ribbond routes do not do this (eg SFO, LAX, PEK, ORD) over the course of a year. So there is a long way to go.
Taken individually, 18 of the specified routes are currently unserved. That number drops to 15 if you remove Sydney, Melbourne and Auckland.
To the best of my knowledge, 5 of these have been served in the relatively recent past: Calgary, Charlotte, Washington DC, Johannesburg, Kuala Lumpur. I think Colombo may have been served before but I'm not sure.
That leaves (by my count) the following 9 routes:
Rio de Janeiro
Delhi
Mumbai
Shanghai
Guangzhou
Bangkok
Manila
Tokyo
Beirut
In isolation, none of these are flights of fancy. We know there is interest in India, Shanghai is in a queue, Bangkok is a matter of time, and the airport itself have called out Tokyo.
Of these Rio and Manila look the most extreme - but who knows where they will be in 33 years time?
The key to this is "frequent" 5x weekly - and a number of MANs blue ribbond routes do not do this (eg SFO, LAX, PEK, ORD) over the course of a year. So there is a long way to go.
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Vueling timetable is showing BCN-MAN at 3x daily on MON/THU but no flights on TUE/FRI.
Currently showing BCN-MAN (on MON/THU)
1315 BCN 1450 MAN
1825 BCN 2010 MAN
2210 BCN 2355 MAN
Currently showing BCN-MAN (on MON/THU)
1315 BCN 1450 MAN
1825 BCN 2010 MAN
2210 BCN 2355 MAN
The days you are referring to with those extra flights are Sun/Thu, and that's because the 1825/2210 flights the timetable are showing are actually BCN-FCO flights and it misses out the connection to the early FCO-MAN flight.
Friday, at least internally, is showing an 8th weekly BCN-MAN-BCN on Friday nights.
VY8748 BCN 1315 MAN 1450
VY8749 MAN 1535 BCN 1900
VY8734 BCN 1950 MAN 2125
VY8735 MAN 2205 BCN 0125
Seems to indicate a May 23rd start date but isn't bookable at this stage.
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I don't agree that it is pie in the sky, the network perhaps lacks focus (eg the omission of ADD) but as a general aspiration it's fine.
Taken individually, 18 of the specified routes are currently unserved. That number drops to 15 if you remove Sydney, Melbourne and Auckland.
Taken individually, 18 of the specified routes are currently unserved. That number drops to 15 if you remove Sydney, Melbourne and Auckland.
I meant the direct flights to Sydney, Melbourne and Auckland were pie in the sky, not the whole thing.
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I really don`t think anywhere in East Africa could be a success and to honest many of the routes in to London struggle to make money
Many routes have to operate as the governments say that they have to but lose a bucket full of money but are needed for embassy traffic, post etc
Many routes have to operate as the governments say that they have to but lose a bucket full of money but are needed for embassy traffic, post etc
But the economies of these countries are picking up all the time and more business opportunities exist. Bear in mind that this is a projection for 2050 as well.
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I agree - unless they are calling for Qantas and ANZ to start one stop direct flights I don't see what this means.
Who knows where technology will be in 30 years time, but I find a non stopper to Australia and NZ to be the longest of long shots!
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Rio de Janeiro
Delhi
Mumbai
Shanghai
Guangzhou
Bangkok
Manila
Tokyo
Beirut
Delhi
Mumbai
Shanghai
Guangzhou
Bangkok
Manila
Tokyo
Beirut
Come to that, we don't even know what runways there will be in the UK by 2050!
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It's apparently moving to Leipzig, out of all places.
The fact that the new CEO of PIA is from the Leipzig area is nothing but co incidence of course!
(And we shall just brush under the carpet the fact that the same CEO also donated a PIA A310 to Leipzig despite the fact it was supposed to be offered for general sale and went against rules in Pakistan).
Nothing like protecting your own personal interests, no wonder PIA has so many issues.
The fact that the new CEO of PIA is from the Leipzig area is nothing but co incidence of course!
(And we shall just brush under the carpet the fact that the same CEO also donated a PIA A310 to Leipzig despite the fact it was supposed to be offered for general sale and went against rules in Pakistan).
Nothing like protecting your own personal interests, no wonder PIA has so many issues.
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The fact that the new CEO of PIA is from the Leipzig area is nothing but co incidence of course!
ISB-LEI-MAN-JFK would have generated more income.... LEI - one of those RYR services we could hope for.
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Oman Air will use the A330-300 on Fridays instead of -200. The -200 will still operate the other 6 days.
On using the A330-300, the first class cabin is also available to book.
On using the A330-300, the first class cabin is also available to book.
I hear Air Shaheen are ending their Manchester operation shortly.
I don't think I'd risk a repair like that on my lawnmower, let alone an A330.