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Old 4th May 2016, 14:39
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Don't Air India & Flybe operate from Birmingham?
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Old 4th May 2016, 15:26
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Don't Air India & Flybe operate from Birmingham?
Quite. There may be a more limited range of domestic flybe connections to/from BHX than at MAN but they still have GLA/EDI/ABZ/BHD to aim for.
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Old 4th May 2016, 15:34
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For me, it is clearly an expansion of Flybe's model at MAN to BHX and Air India.

I don't think its an indication of AI looking to enter the market at MAN, but it perhaps a recognition of the value Flybe can bring as a feeder to long haul from regional airports.
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Old 4th May 2016, 17:22
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Saad Hammad, Flybe’s CEO comments: "Our new codeshare agreement with Air India is another exciting development for Flybe. It further strengthens our ability to connect our regional customers to long-haul destinations with our ‘One Stop to the World’ proposition.

“We can now give customers in the UK regions convenient access to the Indian subcontinent through Birmingham Airport. This relieves them of the need to undertake long road or rail journeys to and from the UK’s congested south east hub airports. It will also boost local economies by encouraging inbound travel from South East Asia.”
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Old 4th May 2016, 17:25
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Old 5th May 2016, 07:24
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Hmmmm.....seems odd to set up an agreement where there is no long haul link to the very airport which has the largest lift?

The Indian economy is growing at a phenomenal rate Manchester needs to be connected to that market!
I'm not sure that MAN needs to be connected to the Indian market; much in the same way as I really don't see why BHX needs to be connected to San Francisco, Boston and the like. Desirable; yes - essential; no.

England (outside London) is too small market to have 2 airports 80 miles apart trying to outdo each other on what are still marginal routes, very much reliant on VFR business.
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Old 5th May 2016, 10:26
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I'm not sure that MAN needs to be connected to the Indian market; much in the same way as I really don't see why BHX needs to be connected to San Francisco, Boston and the like. Desirable; yes - essential; no.

England (outside London) is too small market to have 2 airports 80 miles apart trying to outdo each other on what are still marginal routes, very much reliant on VFR business.
I don't agree (mainly because I think it is a limited ambition for the economy outside of London) but it really is a political issue.

The UK is a large economy in a small geographical area. It stands to reason that the demand for air travel will be substantial albeit mostly originating from a band around the Liverpool-Manchester-Leeds down to the south coast.

The south east is overheating and pulls in a disproportionate amount of activity, including aviation. Spreading this activity is apparently on the political agenda.

One way of doing this is transport infrastructure. Buid HS2 and HS3. Force aviation capacity growth outside of the south east. Spread this activity.

Yes, BHX and MAN are small compared to LHR. But the market is there for both to suceed. By the end of this year Id bet between them they carry close to 40m passengers per year.

MAN is the larger of the two, and is probably geographically best placed to develop into a second hub for the regions. But that is not to say that both can co-exist and be successful in their own way.
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Old 5th May 2016, 16:03
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It's not just about geographical location !

Manchester ranks ninth when measured against other European cities on a range of measures including their current and predicted economic growth rates, as well as connectivity, corporate activity, construction, real estate investment, technology and research and development.

Manchester secured ninth place in the ranking of European Cities by this measurement.

Whilst London continues to drive the most significant growth within the UK, with GDP growth predicted to expand by 2.2 per cent per year until 2020, Greater Manchester’s economic expansion is expected to outperform the rest of UK and is ahead of many other G7 member countries.

Whether the surge in expansion is down to this or constraints at Heathrow we will never know.

It is fair to say however that airlines appear to be chasing the money despite the proximity to London and indeed Birmingham.
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Old 5th May 2016, 20:51
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Very true.

Also, MAN has the advantage of being very close to Leeds and Liverpool in particular, but also Sheffield and to a lesser extent Newcastle and the East Midlands cities. I know MAN also claim Scotland but I'm not sure how much stock I put in that.

It is a huge carchment area and MAN really can continue to drive growth by making the most of it. One area where MAN can be the market leader is in railway station check in.

Assuming HS2 and HS3 are constructed, the airport could work with HS2 to develop a system whereby flyers bags are dropped off at the railway station as opposed to the terminal building. The passenger would then jump on the train, go through security and pick up the bag at the other end. Sounds good in theory, and I hope it would work and be popular in practice.
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Old 5th May 2016, 21:00
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Soccer is huge in Asia, MAN has 2 (arguably 3) of the most widely supported teams in the world on it's doorstep. For this reason it has massive potential for links to pretty much every major Asian city in my totally unqualified outsider opinion.
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Old 6th May 2016, 05:13
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Football is mega. I was watching United via a Los Angeles feed ironically when the first TCX started 000s watching early morning in LA alone!

It should have been a given to co-opt Sir Alex Ferguson onto the MAG board as a non exec director when he quit UTD.

Hainan 1st flight arrives from Manchester, small paragraph inside China Daily.

Hainan 1st flight arrives with SAF on board "headline News".

Absolute no brainer.
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Old 6th May 2016, 07:12
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Andy Burnham is apparently now scrambling for Mayor Of Manchester as his cabinet career withers to nothing. An idea incidentally he was dead against 12 months ago.

Manchester Airport constituents "might" like to consider his support of taxpayer investment in the SE when considering where to put their cross!

What happens next with Heathrow? | Coffee House

As I recall on the very day Manchester announced its mega terminal expansion programme the erstwhile Mr Burnham was yapping about investment in the S East

No issue with that BUT a nod to Manchester Airport which was completey omitted from his expert aviation views would have been nice

....as a North West MP one might have expected more ?

#justsaying

PS I sense a goodwill visit to Manchester Airport suddenly appearing on the horizon.

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Old 6th May 2016, 08:35
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Blimey Bagso, are you now writing for the Daily Mail
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Old 6th May 2016, 16:52
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This was posted recently on FlyerTalk :-

"A number of routes will lose 1-2 flights a week during the summer due to the delivery delays of the A350/A320neo, this is to accommodate planned expansion such as the ATL route launch which are too close to postpone. This will be put in the schedule over the next few days. Other planned route launches which are occurring later in the year might be rescheduled to latter dates.

QR only have 2 787 left on order, they will delivered in May and June of this year. The final 77W will come in later this year. The remaining expansion all counts on the A350/A320NEO (either to launch the new flights or to free up other aircraft) and the delivery of these aircraft won't be steady for a while.

I recommend FT'ers check their bookings and lookout for any notifications from QR or your TA if you are flying over the summer."
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Old 6th May 2016, 18:00
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Andy Burnham is apparently now scrambling for Mayor Of Manchester as his cabinet career withers to nothing.
God forbid - the guy is an absolute tosser - out for himself / his erm 'image' and what's left of his career.
He's got as much authority and gravitas as a Thunderbirds puppet. Bad for Manchester and its airport.
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Old 7th May 2016, 05:26
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......could not have phrased it better.

My Manchester mayor comments are issue driven not political BTW.

Despite rhetoric on the surface the Labour administration have worked well with Osborne, Burnham could ruin that. And whilst this all may seem "off piste" it really does matter !

....Because as a City Manchester has snowballed in terms of GDP in recent years. A testament to the 30+ mega property developments going on. Love them or loathe them they are a litmus test in terms of foreign investment and whether we like them or not at least it's is investment! Manchester Airport is absolutely front and centre in terms of reflecting what happens in the City and new services by the likes of Hainan are tied on with that. Getting them in and hopefully Air China was as much about the work by Manchester as a City as it was the airport marketing team.

Burnham detests the Labour administration in Manchester possibly more so than the Tories, if he gets in we could have a brake on just about everything as he uses that power of office to derail and destroy the working relationships which have put Manchester on the map.

As I said previously on the exact day Manchester annouced it's terminal expansion, something that every NWEST MP should have supported he was spouting about the necessity to expand Heathrow.

It would be better to have a high profile figurehead, somebody that people could identify with who could work with Leese etc and let them carry on the good work on the background, sadly even the other candidates don't appear to inspire confidence.

Ps ....more Private Eye than Daily Mail.

By way of balance Graham Brady is also a buffoon. He represents Sale where many airport employees reside. He is equally dammed when it comes to supportimg expansion of Manchester Airport.

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Old 7th May 2016, 17:02
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Old 8th May 2016, 14:04
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I have a friend who was supposed to be flying with Thomson at the end of this month but her flight has been moved to Freebird; I haven't seen any flights from them this year, any idea when they start their flights from here
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Old 8th May 2016, 15:57
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Freebird have operated regularly through MAN during the Winter period, mainly during the hours of darkness though so it is easy for them to pass unnoticed. Winter programmes served Istanbul Sabiha Gokcen and Antalya on behalf of RSD Travel (I used them myself during November / December). Until recently they had a flight early each Tuesday morning, though I didn't notice one this week. I suspect that series has ended with the change to Summer season. I hope their Summer ops at MAN will be seen in daylight! My flights with them were fine and operated on time.
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Old 8th May 2016, 16:19
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Are these the flights that operated outbound via GLA and later via LGW?
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