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Old 10th Dec 2015, 20:06
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KLM adding a 6th daily flight from 27th March.

KL1073 arrives 0810 departs as KL1074 at 0905
KL1081 arrives 1010 departs as KL1082 at 1115
KL1083 arrives 1235 departs as KL1084 at 1345
KL1087 arrives 1435 departs as KL1088 at 1525
KL1093 arrives 1635 departs as KL1094 at 1740
KL1097 arrives 2115 departs as KL1072 at 0555

All flights use B737 series. That means MAN-AMS is up to 15 daily and the BEneLUX area is 24 daily.
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 20:09
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It includes
- An extension of 886,892 sq ft to Terminal Two and the West Pier
I hope that external render in the article is not accurate (the one detailing the new ramp up to T2)

If so, it shows the new extension pretty much 'bolted on' to the side of the existing T2 facade, which, I would be extremely disappointed in.

I thought the whole point of this project was not only to improve capacity, but, end the 'add on' era that has plagued MAN (in the words of Brad Miller).

To stand at the front of T2 and see the old T2 on one side, and the 'new' T2 on the other side would just look ridiculous?!
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 20:27
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Manchester Evening News: Number one for news, opinion, sport & celebrity gossip.

Oh Charlotte "regional hubs " where might they be ?
I never realised we had so many !

Please please please Enough!

Give a local reporter some air and they will fill it with xxxx themselves.

If the MPs, media and even MAG STOP addressing Manchester as a regional hub along with all the other myriad minor regional hubs we might actually get somewhere !!!

You cannot change perceptions if you allow local media to constantly refer to yourself as a minor player .

And on this of all evenings when the rest of the message is actually highly postive!

For God Sake Manchester start growing some. ......

The volume of long haul, passenger throughput, and potential catchment is totally the polar opposite of the message continually conveyed by MAG or at least by some of the reporting.

The new PR guru cannot arrive soon enough , start directing the agenda about Manchester, from Manchester for Manchester!

Everybody from MPs, institute of directors, the greens to a woman in a pub is getting airtime... er Manchester where are you ?

Oh and no more mixed ambiguous messages about....that place in Essex either ! They can sort themselves out.

Given bad news darn South great this was released at the perfect hour BUT make it count, set and govern the whole agenda!

Take a leaf out of the Heathrow PR machine , engage , spin, and start bloody well punching above your weight.

No wishy washy nonsense as per para 1

PS memo to BBC how about mentioning THIS major project when suggesting OUR economy is being strangled by no airport expansion!

"Get on the phone Charlie"

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Old 10th Dec 2015, 20:53
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Take a leaf out of the Heathrow PR machine , engage , spin, and start bloody well punching above your weight.
Indeed. Some superb spin from Holland-Kaye and Wingate on the news channels tonight in that both emphasized their expansion plans as for the good of the country rather than SE England. The sad thing is that news presenters fail to pull them apart on this.
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 21:36
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And lots of spin from BBC reporters only quoting those MPs who dont like thre result. ..er hang on what about those against?

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Old 10th Dec 2015, 22:33
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It looks like they have changed what they are going to do on the TP.

All this current planning application is about is
1.Extending T2 terminal and Car parks
2 Changing access roads
3 Demolishing T1

No new piers or extension to the existing pier westwards at present
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 22:54
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This appears to be stage 1 which will be to expand the actual terminal
and facilities as there is no point in putting new piers in if you can`t handle the pax in the terminals and car parks etc
I read that the 1st 6 months or so will be utilities work ready to
start the real work at the end of October
Just noticed the hatched area to left says it is already consented
so guess this will be extra ramp space which they will need before they can start any piers

Ian
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 08:25
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Interesting times.


With regard to the T1 demolition, this suggests to me that they are definitely going down the bussing route for some time. also worth noting that other images don't show the pier nearest to the M56 whilst they show others, again suggesting bussing to remote gates up near to the M56.
They can get rid of the body of T1 if the capacity is replaced in terms of check in and security and lounge space by the T2 extension. And that is what is happening.


My question is that the new T2 will be laid out quite differently so I still think they will move existing T2 carriers into the new section and close the old section for refurbishment which could take a year easily. Maybe move some T1 carriers over at that time.


So they will move carriers to T2 and use buses for a long time whilst the new fingers are being built?!? That's my best guess.


Interesting times....
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 08:47
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Paper version of MEN with massive Daily Mail style headlines!!

"TAKE OFF FOR HUGE AIRPORT REVAMP".

2 pages dedicated. May nip out at dinner and get a copy.
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 08:59
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That headline in the MEN is indeed suberb but on a day when airport capacity is all over every channel there is a total disconnect between the South East and the North.

Manchester is not Heathrow we know that, but when a spokesperson for the CBI comes on and states emphatically there is no airport with a long haul network outside London something or somebody is at fault!

Who to blame ?

The airport for singularly failing to get the message out there that there is life outside London?

A London based press showing it's true colours and total London bias?

I have no idea , but surely there is a mechanism and skill to ensuring that Manchester taps into the debate and is heard?

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Old 11th Dec 2015, 09:12
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And to emphasise your point Bagso, two different headlines from yesterday based on the same report:

Guess which one is the ever faithful London-centric Daily Telegraph:


London driving UK growth as 'Northern Powerhouse’ falters


Manchester will be the fastest growing city outside of the south of England, says report

They do both reflect something contained in the report but choose different highlights.
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 09:47
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Bagso

Don't always agree with your approach but on this one you're spot on
Missing a wonderful opportunity to get the name / brand out there
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 10:05
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Who to blame ?
The airport for singularly failing to get the message out there that there is life outside London?
A London based press showing it's true colours and total London bias?
A good question Bagso. It would be nice to know how widely MAN circulates these press releases. I'm not familiar with PR so is it a general release which is then up to the media whether or not to run the story, or would MAN have more personal contact with certain outlets to publish? It seems to me we are more likely to get favourable coverage in the FT or the Times than the DT based on recent history. And then of course there is social media, tv and radio.
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 10:18
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You can send as many press releases out as you want but
it`s upto the editors of the papers to choose what they run, therefore
a London centric paper is less likely to cover a Manchester story
now of course the evening news will run the story as will Northwest
Business News. The article will have been produced by the PR office
at MAG for general consumption and therefore will be the same from
paper to paper as they request that their text is used and any further
info will have to scrutinised by MAG before printing
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 10:43
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Couple of quick observations after scanning through the documents submitted as part of the planning application.

Piers - don't need to be included in the application as they can be added under 'Permitted Development'. Interestingly they plan for four piers but the one furthest to the east (i.e. next to T.1) could have limited access due to structures retained and not demolished with T.1.

Stands - the Planning Statement contains a table on page 16 which indicates that as a result of the development there will be a net increase of ONE stand (though don't worry, there's an additional 2,553 car parking spaces!).

And LAX, your fears over the extension just being bolted on to the existing T2 appear fully justified looking at the various illustrations in the Design and Access statement. They appear to be doing half a job...but who knows, there may be a subsequent work package to 'wrap' a new facade around the existing terminal.
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 10:49
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Thanks for that chaps1954.

Just as BBC reporters develop good contacts in say Government and Parliament to get inside information and gossip to present their reports accordingly, surely large companies develop contacts in the media to try and ensure they get fair coverage of important news stories affecting them. LHR have proved adept at this.

Lobbying is often referred to in terms of MPs being lobbied for a particular cause, but doesn't it apply to getting media coverage as well?

As Bagso has often pointed out, MAN's influence usually only seems to extend to the North West news vehicles.
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 11:06
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Stands - the Planning Statement contains a table on page 16 which indicates that as a result of the development there will be a net increase of ONE stand (though don't worry, there's an additional 2,553 car parking spaces!).
Have you got a link to this Andy? Is it referring to the total airport stand capacity including remotes when the TP is complete or just this T2 development but presumably with the piers?
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 11:25
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Chaps1954

I do appreciate we are up against a tsunami in terms of London bias BUT to be fair it is about a wee bit more than sending out PR by fax , it's about engaging and communicating with leader writers, BBC etc.

Of course there is bias but there is also some with a sympathetic ear.

Liam Hallingan Guardian

Simon Jenkins Guardian

Andrew Bounds FT

What the media wants is a story , a different viewpoint!

Could Manchester have not emphasised it's massive expansion at zero cost to taxpayer. ..

Could it have emphasised that promoting Manchester, could ignite the NorthernPowerhouse and played a political game calling in Mr Osborne ?

Could they have highlighted that the SE has just one third of the population but two thirds of the flights ?

Could they have made comparison with German strategy suggesting a dual hub approach originating in two different regions!

Most importantly could it have emphasised that with expansion to 55m Manchester is potentially providing capacity within just 10 years , for 30m passengers who would not have to use London !

And all within one seamless terminal rather than a hotch potch of terminals interconnected by a 30 min bus ride, now that is real "connectivity" !

WHAT a selling point !

Everybody it seemed who had an opinion managed to get some airtime except that is the largest multi airport operator in the UK, an organisation with the financial clout of a top 100 FT company!

The lady from the CBI labelled Manchester a small regional airport, now I appreciate as I said we are not Heathrow but seriously. ....?

She had no clue and I mean no clue that Manchester existed let alone it had a not unreasonable long haul network!
Which part of her members did she represent?

Does nobody have the agility of mind to get on the phones from Olympic House and challenge ?

Do the CBI not have any representatives in the North ?

I seriously doubt the Chuckle Brothers messrs Holland-Kaye and Wingate were hanging about relying on bits of paper to communicate their story , they hurried from studio to studio salivating at the opportunity to put forward their view, their spin, on camera!

Some of it was complete cobblers but it was hoovered up enthusiastically with only the politest of challenges!

Sorry but as 3rd large airport and with such a dynamic contribution our chaps should have been on station, making calls, haranging the media for airtime providing our day in court !

If a 3rd tier spokesperson for the CBI can get 8 minutes of fame to voice an opinion, I'm damn sure the CEO of the largest airport outside London can!

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Old 11th Dec 2015, 11:34
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I have also now scanned the planning statement.

What is clear is that this proposal is not increasing the capacity of the airport.

What it seeks to do is demolish the outdated T1 and replace it with an smaller extension to T2 which because of its modern design will maintain capacity. Basically it is modernising the airport not expanding it.

It seems a bit unclear to me but I don't think they are intending to using the parking area to the west of the terminal at present. Although used as car parking at can be used as part of the apron as that is already permitted and that will be used later in conjunction with the addition of piers which don't need consent as AndyH52 states above.

Only one extra stand as part of this development and 2553 parking spaces. See the Airport are making sure that the expansion is for cars not aircraft.
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Old 11th Dec 2015, 11:41
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Well if that is right, it conflicts with what I heard from a senior official at a meeting a few weeks ago when it was said there would be more stands. Does 1 count?
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