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The provisional CAA Stats for May show pax increases for May 2015 compared to May2014 : Liverpool + 7.3%, Leeds +5.3%, Glasgow +13.3%, Edinburgh + 9.4%, Stansted +11.9%, Gatwick +6%......Manchester 2.8%
I would suggest the current facilities & services are in fact bleeding a number of pax away, maybe not substantial, but nontheless I think it is impacting on growth.
I would suggest the current facilities & services are in fact bleeding a number of pax away, maybe not substantial, but nontheless I think it is impacting on growth.
Did AA specifically ask for T3 or were they asked to move by the airport. With the nightmare that T3 is I am a little suprised AA stand for such a mess. Have they been offered a sweetener in terms of fees?
Anyway, don't worry. B787/A350 will be on the routes before you know it.
One world alliance for connecting pax on BA and Flybe ?
Can't see many using BA from LHR to connect at MAN (It's the only BA flight out of MAN). One world airlines:
Cathay - T2, Finnair T1, Qatar T2, & of course Flybe are not One World, but have connection deals with Emirates, Etihad (both T1) & Cathay & Qatar (both T2)
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May figures
I'm surprised that no one has commented on the Turkey figures, which are well down across all destinations with the exception of Istanbul. I wonder whether the Euro exchange rate is impacting here, with Turkey losing its competitiveness - or whether there is some nervousness around travelling to that part of the world. Certainly, the decline is marked.
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Can't see many using BA from LHR to connect at MAN (It's the only BA flight out of MAN)
By the way our friend LHR-LHR certainly asserts some over bookings out of LHR have been routed north at times.
As for Cathay its well known that don't exactly see eye to eye with BA on the UK - HK routes - They may be in the same alliance however they are very much competitors.
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The provisional CAA Stats for May show pax increases for May 2015 compared to May2014 : Liverpool + 7.3%, Leeds +5.3%, Glasgow +13.3%, Edinburgh + 9.4%, Stansted +11.9%, Gatwick +6%......Manchester 2.8%
Liverpool 7.3% more pax, 5.4% more flights
Leeds 5.3% more pax. 2.3% more flights
Glasgow 13.3% more pax, 6% more flights
Edinburgh 9.4% more pax, 4.9% more flights
Stansted 11.9% more pax, 5.8% more flights
Gatwick 6% more pax, 2.4% more flights
Manchester 2.8% more pax, 4% fewer flights
Now if MAN had either zero growth or an increase in flights, then is it not unreasonable to speculate that we would be taking in the regions of a 5% or so increase in passenger numbers? The other thing to bear in mind is that we've been advised of a 1.3% increase in available seats this summer so I guess we're not doing that badly?
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....oh. You're back.
American are in T3 because they do offer connections with AY (via T1) and BA and to that effect, thousands of passengers have to have additional biometrics taken as they move from A to B to facilitate the trickle of intl-intl transfer passengers. On paper it sounds good, the reality is.....leas than ideal if you just want to get on a domestic flight!
They were much better off in T2. It's partly up to American which one of JFK/ORD/PHL to promote really, might they be better (he said repeating himself) offering two destinations from T2 across a A332/B772 and a B757/B767?
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They were much better off in T2. It's partly up to American which one of JFK/ORD/PHL to promote really, might they be better (he said repeating himself) offering two destinations from T2 across a A332/B772 and a B757/B767?
Ask yourself. why should the regional airport get shafted because there's a surfeit of capacity that's not being filled at LHR? Why not do the bleeding obvious and cut LHR services. IF the poor business passenger has to wait all of 2 or 3 hours to get a service at LHR then so what. In the regions, miss your flight and you have to wait 24 hours.
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Two full flights accomodating the existing AA market on a more modern cabin? If PHL continues to decline it will competing with ORD and JFK which means one may be dropped. If they could manage an A330 duo or A330/B777 mix all the better, anything better than a 1989 B767 with drop down screens and a B757 fleet on the way out.
This is a far better customer experience surely? Better for the bottom line and medium term stability? Why serve three gateways on a fragmented fashion when two can make more money?
Stop banging on about LHR, I am focussing on MAN and the product AA is dropping into this market, almost like they don't care anymore. I am suggesting that needs to change and MAN needs some TLC.
This is a far better customer experience surely? Better for the bottom line and medium term stability? Why serve three gateways on a fragmented fashion when two can make more money?
Stop banging on about LHR, I am focussing on MAN and the product AA is dropping into this market, almost like they don't care anymore. I am suggesting that needs to change and MAN needs some TLC.
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Manchester 2.8% more pax, 4% fewer flights
Now if MAN had either zero growth or an increase in flights, then is it not unreasonable to speculate that we would be taking in the regions of a 5% or so increase in passenger numbers? The other thing to bear in mind is that we've been advised of a 1.3% increase in available seats this summer so I guess we're not doing that badly?
Now if MAN had either zero growth or an increase in flights, then is it not unreasonable to speculate that we would be taking in the regions of a 5% or so increase in passenger numbers? The other thing to bear in mind is that we've been advised of a 1.3% increase in available seats this summer so I guess we're not doing that badly?
So they are in T3 for no real good reasons unless Flybe deliver the highest % of transit traffic.
Ah yes, let's get MAN having fewer passengers. What a splendid idea.
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The HU connection opportunities are restricted and noones heard of them this side of the Black Sea, so lets hope the salmon and whisky cargo outbound and coach loads of inbound Shanghai pensioners can keep it afloat. Those inbounders will just come off the other connecting inbound flights.
Next year is going to be a stats delight!
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The other issue for US now AA is the alliance. With Star they were pretty strong, I used them for this reason. AA have always had the worse service across the Atlantic, even internally in USA they were poor.
The China service just seems to get further away. HU and APD are not exactly helping. Should be courting CA to PEK.
Terminals. Great news they are finally starting to do something, but years too late. Hopefully they can build quickly and sort it all.
The China service just seems to get further away. HU and APD are not exactly helping. Should be courting CA to PEK.
Terminals. Great news they are finally starting to do something, but years too late. Hopefully they can build quickly and sort it all.
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Now if MAN had either zero growth or an increase in flights, then is it not unreasonable to speculate that we would be taking in the regions of a 5% or so increase in passenger numbers? The other thing to bear in mind is that we've been advised of a 1.3% increase in available seats this summer so I guess we're not doing that badly?
With growth exceeding the increase in flights at all the airports listed by Ringwayman in post 2215, the average pax per flight presumably increased. I wonder if that reflects the mix of a/c or higher LFs. For MAN, if the increase in seats reported by ACL of 1.3% remains correct, then it seems to me we have to rely on higher LFs, especially on the larger capacity aircraft, to boost numbers.
Incidentally, for UK airports on which ACL report, LGW seats were up 4.7%, STN 9% and LTN 12.8% for the start of summer.
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Texans learn all about city region?s devo deal - Manchester Evening News
Once again the view from the outside looking IN is perhaps much more upbeat than the view looking out from within the M60. Great publicity!
And maybe we might even get a Dallas flight back although would we be ahead of a various European capitals who don't serve DFW ?
The DIRECT leg of any Chinese puzzle would need to have MAN in the middle NOT at the end. !!!
Manchester via EDI ? No sorry !
Once again the view from the outside looking IN is perhaps much more upbeat than the view looking out from within the M60. Great publicity!
And maybe we might even get a Dallas flight back although would we be ahead of a various European capitals who don't serve DFW ?
The DIRECT leg of any Chinese puzzle would need to have MAN in the middle NOT at the end. !!!
Manchester via EDI ? No sorry !
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Actually, if the seat map is anything like accurate, today looks a better load on AA/US. It's only one day but an interesting picture nevertheless for the 3 flights.
Flight Available J // Available Econ.
ORD. 10 // 1
JFK 22 // 0
PHL 8 // 44
The B767 config. is 209 seats incl. 28 in Business. The A332 is 252 seats with 20 in Business. On those figures, at least PHL wouldn't fit on a B757.
I promise there won't be a daily report but numbers are freely available fairly early in a dummy booking for US carriers, but don't represent the actual final figures of course.
Actually, if the seat map is anything like accurate, today looks a better load on AA/US. It's only one day but an interesting picture nevertheless for the 3 flights.
Flight Available J // Available Econ.
ORD. 10 // 1
JFK 22 // 0
PHL 8 // 44
The B767 config. is 209 seats incl. 28 in Business. The A332 is 252 seats with 20 in Business. On those figures, at least PHL wouldn't fit on a B757.
I promise there won't be a daily report but numbers are freely available fairly early in a dummy booking for US carriers, but don't represent the actual final figures of course.
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The Lufthansa group have a few capacity increases this winter ex-MAN.
As well as the known daily Austrian Airlines route to Vienna, loaded into the schedules are the following.
Munich
Nightstopper upgrades from scheduled A320 to A321. Other 2 flights upgrade from scheduled A319 to A320.
Frankfurt
All 4 flights now scheduled to be A321, instead of A320/A321 mix.
Swiss
Back to using A320's Mon-Thu and Sun. Fridays sees Helvetic E190 on both flights, Sat sees Swiss A320 and Helvetic E190
Hamburg, Dusseldorf and Cologne remain unchanged at present.
I appriciate LH often throw whatever on the MAN routes, but, the upgrades are based on what was scheduled to operate the flights
As well as the known daily Austrian Airlines route to Vienna, loaded into the schedules are the following.
Munich
Nightstopper upgrades from scheduled A320 to A321. Other 2 flights upgrade from scheduled A319 to A320.
Frankfurt
All 4 flights now scheduled to be A321, instead of A320/A321 mix.
Swiss
Back to using A320's Mon-Thu and Sun. Fridays sees Helvetic E190 on both flights, Sat sees Swiss A320 and Helvetic E190
Hamburg, Dusseldorf and Cologne remain unchanged at present.
I appriciate LH often throw whatever on the MAN routes, but, the upgrades are based on what was scheduled to operate the flights