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I wouldn't read into low numbers on the Lyon service, many similar destinations such as Geneva get quite low numbers in the run up to Christmas. Last year I was flying from Geneva and many flights leaving for Ireland and UK had as few as 30/40 passengers per flight...
I wouldn't read into low numbers on the Lyon service, many similar destinations such as Geneva get quite low numbers in the run up to Christmas. Last year I was flying from Geneva and many flights leaving for Ireland and UK had as few as 30/40 passengers per flight...
Inbound charters are something SEN should try to attract more of. With passengers picked up and returned by coach they won't care which airport is used or what the public transport is like as they will just go where they are taken.
Biz jet traffic is another area that still appears to be ignored yet London is one of the Biz jet capitals of the world.
Biz jet traffic is another area that still appears to be ignored yet London is one of the Biz jet capitals of the world.
For about seven years I was an Air Charter Broker myself so knew that clients normally didn't have any interest in the arrival airport for any given city as long as it enabled them to reach their destination venue by onward surface transport.
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If you're feeling generous with your time EF I'm sure it would be worth speaking to the new managers at SEN re. European charter brokers if your lines of communication are still open.
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I used to sit on the passenger services sub committee at Luton where management would bring out their big guns. I was always amazed how little they seemed to know about the day to day aspects of the airport, its shortfalls, the way forward and how little if any influence I had in challenging policies and procedures.
I think Expressflight often shares my frustrations about SEN like I did about LTN.
I think Expressflight often shares my frustrations about SEN like I did about LTN.
SEN received eleven LCY diversions this morning. That certainly made the arrivals board look more respectable than it did last Tuesday.
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Must be due to bottom out soon. When did the 4th easyjet based aircraft go?
I see the train situation is looking a bit bleak over Christmas http://www.southendairport.com/getti...ed-rail-works/
I see the train situation is looking a bit bleak over Christmas http://www.southendairport.com/getti...ed-rail-works/
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SEN airport station usage
2011/12 - 56,834 (station opened during the year)
2012/13 - 340,814
2013/14 - 408,430
Also hear that the Stobart/Flybe operations are back to an ATR72 (EI-REH) from tomorrow.
2011/12 - 56,834 (station opened during the year)
2012/13 - 340,814
2013/14 - 408,430
Also hear that the Stobart/Flybe operations are back to an ATR72 (EI-REH) from tomorrow.
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Just checked the slot availability for all of London's airports for July next year between 7:00 and 8:00
Gatwick 0
Heathrow 0
Stansted 0
Luton 0
City 2 in and 2 out
Southend 20 in and 20 out.
Maybe Southend's will be picking up some business soon as London is all but full between those hours so Southend is the only place to go now.
Gatwick 0
Heathrow 0
Stansted 0
Luton 0
City 2 in and 2 out
Southend 20 in and 20 out.
Maybe Southend's will be picking up some business soon as London is all but full between those hours so Southend is the only place to go now.
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All is Lost
All, not said anything for ages. What's the point, I wonder if anyone actually has something in their job spec relating to attracting new business at SEN? I know someone who offered to help, don't need anybody was their response. Perhaps I must be missing something!
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I am sure Southend's day will come if not next year maybe the year after. With slots now in short supply at all of London's other airports even if airlines might not have Southend at the top of their list of preferred airports they might well have no choice soon but to come to Southend if they want to serve London and can use Southend's shortish runway.
Neile1
All is not lost. Of course a number senior SEN personnel's job specifications include the task of working to attract new business to SEN, whether that be scheduled or charter airlines, business aviation or ancillary activities. The reality though is that you cannot just snap your fingers and conjure up business. Lead times of up to three years can be involved in airline planning processes and patience is necessary as I know from personal experience.
I would agree that in the past couple of years SEN has not had the most dynamic or consistent leadership in various areas but this seems to have been rectified and will hopefully now produce results sooner rather than later.
As far as offers of positive suggestions being rebuffed are concerned I certainly have not found this to be the case at any time. Obviously the way you make such suggestions needs to be in the right way, but positive ideas/alternative thinking have always received a fair hearing at SEN in my experience right up to now. Perhaps your acquaintance should try again as there have been recent senior management changes for the better, in my view.
All is not lost. Of course a number senior SEN personnel's job specifications include the task of working to attract new business to SEN, whether that be scheduled or charter airlines, business aviation or ancillary activities. The reality though is that you cannot just snap your fingers and conjure up business. Lead times of up to three years can be involved in airline planning processes and patience is necessary as I know from personal experience.
I would agree that in the past couple of years SEN has not had the most dynamic or consistent leadership in various areas but this seems to have been rectified and will hopefully now produce results sooner rather than later.
As far as offers of positive suggestions being rebuffed are concerned I certainly have not found this to be the case at any time. Obviously the way you make such suggestions needs to be in the right way, but positive ideas/alternative thinking have always received a fair hearing at SEN in my experience right up to now. Perhaps your acquaintance should try again as there have been recent senior management changes for the better, in my view.
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EF and Barling.
I admire your positive attitude. But I cannot agree, the potential permanent loss of Adria and the exit of Skyworks are out of SEN's control. The mention of a three year window to set up is interesting but dubious. S16 new operators is essentially dead and buried. Even my "limited" experience says some tricks are being missed, perhaps the slot issue may reap some rewards. I dearly want SEN to succeed but I just can't see it happening.
I admire your positive attitude. But I cannot agree, the potential permanent loss of Adria and the exit of Skyworks are out of SEN's control. The mention of a three year window to set up is interesting but dubious. S16 new operators is essentially dead and buried. Even my "limited" experience says some tricks are being missed, perhaps the slot issue may reap some rewards. I dearly want SEN to succeed but I just can't see it happening.
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Your posts says to me you've never worked in airport development. As express flight says, it's a very long burn process and Southend is a 3rd tier London airport. Not only that, Southend isn't competing with London airports. It's competing across Europe.
An airline can chose where to base their aircraft and their choice isn't Southend or stansted, it's London or Liverpool, or Paris or Milan or Rome.
For Southend to win it has to be prove that the risk is worth it, and the risk is huge. The cost of operating 1 737 for a year is something like £10m - massive numbers.
Southend is doing well, yes it's in a period of consolidation but it will come out of it and grow. All new airports go trough the same.
I can see how it may appear frustrating that stansted or Luton get growth seemingly at the expense of Southend but you don't know how long Luton or stn have been working on these deals and it will have been years.
I now work for an airline and see the airline operation on a daily basis but prior I worked doing airport development and it's hard, very hard.
Be patient ...
Your posts says to me you've never worked in airport development. As express flight says, it's a very long burn process and Southend is a 3rd tier London airport. Not only that, Southend isn't competing with London airports. It's competing across Europe.
An airline can chose where to base their aircraft and their choice isn't Southend or stansted, it's London or Liverpool, or Paris or Milan or Rome.
For Southend to win it has to be prove that the risk is worth it, and the risk is huge. The cost of operating 1 737 for a year is something like £10m - massive numbers.
Southend is doing well, yes it's in a period of consolidation but it will come out of it and grow. All new airports go trough the same.
I can see how it may appear frustrating that stansted or Luton get growth seemingly at the expense of Southend but you don't know how long Luton or stn have been working on these deals and it will have been years.
I now work for an airline and see the airline operation on a daily basis but prior I worked doing airport development and it's hard, very hard.
Be patient ...
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Thanks for making me laugh! My actual experience may surprise you.... I do actually have a great deal of experience in this field, so I do know when things are failing, and they are!
Thanks for making me laugh! My actual experience may surprise you.... I do actually have a great deal of experience in this field, so I do know when things are failing, and they are!