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Originally Posted by highwideandugly
Good guess..it's all there is!!
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Obviously an angry man bul-****! You invited the comment..yea I know there is lots more and plenty going on.well done to all those who have gone the extra mile to develop..
My argument is..where is a once major airport going.We can handle wide bodies(on Thursday) weekly Summer jersey flights,limited schedules and occasional small series of charters,Newmarket,Omega etc..however,we turn down a once a week Balkan and Thomson...what does that say about..any ambition and input the local economy?not to mention the PR To be gained.
Of course this lost business is all we know about..goodness what else has 'been turned away' ??
Sorry to upset you but it really doesn't make any sense.
At a difficult time for aviation,surely the authorities should be busting a gut to encourage business(airline..and puddle jumpers!)
For those how have seen the rise and unfortunately the fall,it's sometimes hard to swallow without being cynical and angry.
My argument is..where is a once major airport going.We can handle wide bodies(on Thursday) weekly Summer jersey flights,limited schedules and occasional small series of charters,Newmarket,Omega etc..however,we turn down a once a week Balkan and Thomson...what does that say about..any ambition and input the local economy?not to mention the PR To be gained.
Of course this lost business is all we know about..goodness what else has 'been turned away' ??
Sorry to upset you but it really doesn't make any sense.
At a difficult time for aviation,surely the authorities should be busting a gut to encourage business(airline..and puddle jumpers!)
For those how have seen the rise and unfortunately the fall,it's sometimes hard to swallow without being cynical and angry.
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Highwide...upper tier management are not the problem, they may be underqualified and prone to mistakes, but they're as passionate about the place as anyone - there are no levels of hierarchy that are a problem, if anything it's security staff, who bar one or two are still miserable little Hitlers who look like their faces would crack if they tried to smile
But where we ever a major airport?? People are all too quick to compare us to our neighbours but we never have been, and never would have been, in their league. Compare apples to apples.
This has been explained conclusively on here time and again
There may well be more that has been turned away yes, but it will be for the simple reason the deal tabled is of little or no financial benefit to the airport...in which case good!!
They are!!! But as said above the deals need to work for both parties...again this has been discussed several times before by both myself and others.
I can see why Mr Bullschit (awesome name by the way!!) gets angry and feels a need to call himself that!!!
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a once major airport
Originally Posted by highwideandugly
we turn down a once a week Balkan and Thomson...what does that say about..any ambition and input the local economy?not to mention the PR To be gained.
Originally Posted by highwideandugly
Of course this lost business is all we know about..goodness what else has 'been turned away' ??
Originally Posted by highwideandugly
At a difficult time for aviation,surely the authorities should be busting a gut to encourage business(airline..and puddle jumpers!)
I can see why Mr Bullschit (awesome name by the way!!) gets angry and feels a need to call himself that!!!
Thanks good reply and yes I know it's been discussed before..but it still irks! When I said upper tear I meant outside the airport at top level Peel level.
But unfair to blame security staff on miserable wages and conditions..it must be so hard for them.
An airport approaching 1 million passengers and with the ancillary business it had(still does)should have been in a better position than now?
But unfair to blame security staff on miserable wages and conditions..it must be so hard for them.
An airport approaching 1 million passengers and with the ancillary business it had(still does)should have been in a better position than now?
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It 'irks' us all, even me with all my positiveness and defence of the place - but why ask a question to which the answer has already been given, and the same answer will be given again - it's almost like you (and a lot more so Beafer) ask the same questions in the hope that somehow the answer will change.
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Originally Posted by highwideandugly
But unfair to blame security staff on miserable wages and conditions..it must be so hard for them.
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C.Optimistic, how are the DTV house building plans coming along?
Rumour around MSG is that the plans have been given a green light by the council with more houses being talked about.
Any news from the coal face end or is the mushroom treatment still the order of the day?
I'll be watching the landings closely on Sunday
Rumour around MSG is that the plans have been given a green light by the council with more houses being talked about.
Any news from the coal face end or is the mushroom treatment still the order of the day?
I'll be watching the landings closely on Sunday
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upper tier management are not the problem, they may be underqualified and prone to mistakes, but they're as passionate about the place as anyone
This has been explained conclusively on here time and again
So a Jersey charter on a Saturday afternoon is profitable but a Spanish charter on a Tuesday afternoon isn't? Curious.
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Perhaps my choice of words was slightly inaccurate - underqualified yes men is what I should have used, not that it's any better.
You must have missed the post, it's definitely been discussed. The proof is in the accounts, a loss of flights should increase a financial loss, yet the airport has halved theirs. And as for why a Spanish charter is not profitable compared to a Jersey charter, that has definitely been discussed before, it's the aircraft size and the cost of [permanent] related services and utilities.
You must have missed the post, it's definitely been discussed. The proof is in the accounts, a loss of flights should increase a financial loss, yet the airport has halved theirs. And as for why a Spanish charter is not profitable compared to a Jersey charter, that has definitely been discussed before, it's the aircraft size and the cost of [permanent] related services and utilities.
SWKCB. always succinct and spot on again.I know I am shouted down ,however I still can't get my head around the 'throwing ' away of business...2/3 years ago..and please tell me where is the real progress from pre 2014?
Ok we have parachuting,smaller aviation enterprises and the already existing business base(FR et al).
Where are Sycamore for instance..we have great fan fares for 'new' business but as quickly as new ones come in...others drop out?
Ok it's now down to housing and the investment it will undoubtably bring..but I've said it before and will probably again..at what real cost to DTA??
As I keep saying to Beafer..I wear the trousers in this house!
Ok we have parachuting,smaller aviation enterprises and the already existing business base(FR et al).
Where are Sycamore for instance..we have great fan fares for 'new' business but as quickly as new ones come in...others drop out?
Ok it's now down to housing and the investment it will undoubtably bring..but I've said it before and will probably again..at what real cost to DTA??
As I keep saying to Beafer..I wear the trousers in this house!
Sycamore, Thales flight inspection, IAS Medical and Durham Aerosports are doing quite well in hangar 1.
Someone will know more than me, I see it that the Jersey flight operates at a profit and is of a lower fire category than the TOM 738 and Balkan Airbus. Unlike other airports where the flights make little or no money and the airport makes money from shops and car parks.
So it must be Mr and Mrs Doris then!!
Someone will know more than me, I see it that the Jersey flight operates at a profit and is of a lower fire category than the TOM 738 and Balkan Airbus. Unlike other airports where the flights make little or no money and the airport makes money from shops and car parks.
As I keep saying to Beafer..I wear the trousers in this house!
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Highwideandugly - this is what you would call succinct and spot on:
DTVMovements
The above page explains it very well indeed.
That being said, it's worth bearing in mind that we're dealing with conspiracy theorists here, who are historically renowned for always having an answer no matter what you throw at them. We'll be having this same debate all over again come September.
Oh and by the way Highwideandugly, Sycamore continue to do very well, they just seem to have found a niche scrapping aircraft that are unable to fly, Hangar 1 is still full of parts. I believe they recently sent a team to a Transaero 737 that was in an advanced state of heavy maintenance at the time that airline went bust.
DTVMovements
The above page explains it very well indeed.
That being said, it's worth bearing in mind that we're dealing with conspiracy theorists here, who are historically renowned for always having an answer no matter what you throw at them. We'll be having this same debate all over again come September.
Oh and by the way Highwideandugly, Sycamore continue to do very well, they just seem to have found a niche scrapping aircraft that are unable to fly, Hangar 1 is still full of parts. I believe they recently sent a team to a Transaero 737 that was in an advanced state of heavy maintenance at the time that airline went bust.
Thanks CO as usual spot on..however that last para on the Excellent DTV website,Contradicts it self does it not...surely planned once a week flights are easier to cater and organise for than one off MOD's etc?
I know what you mean about fire cat.however the airport has a massive fire section and as can be seen by notams ,change the fire cat ,hourly,when needed?
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Also ATC, closures due regulations happen frequently,again surely if it was known,for instance that Balkan had an A320 on a Tuesday between 6 and 7. It would be easier to plan?? Just a thought.
I agree though that unfortunately the airport is not going to make much through retail for these flight..it's a catch 22!!
I know what you mean about fire cat.however the airport has a massive fire section and as can be seen by notams ,change the fire cat ,hourly,when needed?
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Also ATC, closures due regulations happen frequently,again surely if it was known,for instance that Balkan had an A320 on a Tuesday between 6 and 7. It would be easier to plan?? Just a thought.
I agree though that unfortunately the airport is not going to make much through retail for these flight..it's a catch 22!!
I don't buy the argument that a regular weekly flight is that much more expensive than the weekly Jersey or a small charter series - are a you really saying that these only operate with the assistance of Fodtva volunteers?
And if the loss of these flights halved the airports losses - well...
More likely to have been achieved by some accountancy smoke and mirrors.
And if the loss of these flights halved the airports losses - well...
More likely to have been achieved by some accountancy smoke and mirrors.
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Local companies comment on DTV Airport. Some sensible views.
Is Tees airport heading for a crash landing? | Tees Business | Teesside Business News
Peel say they are ready to walk away from one project if it goes to a public inquiry.
If anyone finds the original Peel/Teesside council contracts about the gifting of the public airport to a private company, it may lead to a public inquiry.
Peel not afraid to 'walk away' from Liverpool Waters | News | Architects Journal
Robert bows out of one of his many posts around the country. Maybe he’ll move into one of the new DTV houses?
https://www.ljmu.ac.uk/about-us/news...w-robert-hough
Just noticed R.Ryan's comment. There's always one constable with a theory. Wonder if he or she fancies themselves as a miss marbles detective with their comments
Is Tees airport heading for a crash landing? | Tees Business | Teesside Business News
Peel say they are ready to walk away from one project if it goes to a public inquiry.
If anyone finds the original Peel/Teesside council contracts about the gifting of the public airport to a private company, it may lead to a public inquiry.
Peel not afraid to 'walk away' from Liverpool Waters | News | Architects Journal
Robert bows out of one of his many posts around the country. Maybe he’ll move into one of the new DTV houses?
https://www.ljmu.ac.uk/about-us/news...w-robert-hough
Just noticed R.Ryan's comment. There's always one constable with a theory. Wonder if he or she fancies themselves as a miss marbles detective with their comments