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Is it becoming safer to ask with the announcement this week of ops ultimately ceasing by two more client airlines the French carriers TVF & FlyKiss together with recent announcements of severe pruning of their own IT programme by TCX & withdrawl of a unit by TOM & at least two airline cessations/switches last year that as with a charge that has been levelled at STN by certain posters here that LTN is becoming certainly for the airline portfolio list at least reliant on the major incumbents in this instance EZY & WZZ.
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I think that is a fair statement to say that LTN is reliant upon Wizz and Easy for the majority of its flights now.
Regarding Kiss as I have previously stated IMHO Oct was a poor time to launch flights especially from London to French regional airports.But they gave it a go to their credit.
Transavia was a strange decision at the time , to be honest STN would have been a better choice given they have no connection to the city .Did they think they would take a slice of the EZY LTN-CDG market, was it a deal with AENA don't know.
Very similar to Vueling coming on the BCN and AMS routes but those destinations appear to be able to support more airlines. Paris with the Eurostar probably not to get the yields.
TUI have not really shown any interest in developing routes from LTN for years.Many hoped with the 787 being delivered airports like LTN would get long haul routes but that hasnt happened either.
Monarch appeared to show more interest in BHX than LTN recently( based units)
Ryanair seem to use Luton as a bargaining chip- that's all.
Did Atlasjet move because of a better deal or was there more to it, don't know.
No doubt it would be good to have more variety at the airport but given the passenger numbers keep going up the Airport is unlikely to worry.
You never know once the development finishes( if it ever does) LTN may be more attractive to other airlines- it isn't that attractive at the moment.
I think that is a fair statement to say that LTN is reliant upon Wizz and Easy for the majority of its flights now.
Regarding Kiss as I have previously stated IMHO Oct was a poor time to launch flights especially from London to French regional airports.But they gave it a go to their credit.
Transavia was a strange decision at the time , to be honest STN would have been a better choice given they have no connection to the city .Did they think they would take a slice of the EZY LTN-CDG market, was it a deal with AENA don't know.
Very similar to Vueling coming on the BCN and AMS routes but those destinations appear to be able to support more airlines. Paris with the Eurostar probably not to get the yields.
TUI have not really shown any interest in developing routes from LTN for years.Many hoped with the 787 being delivered airports like LTN would get long haul routes but that hasnt happened either.
Monarch appeared to show more interest in BHX than LTN recently( based units)
Ryanair seem to use Luton as a bargaining chip- that's all.
Did Atlasjet move because of a better deal or was there more to it, don't know.
No doubt it would be good to have more variety at the airport but given the passenger numbers keep going up the Airport is unlikely to worry.
You never know once the development finishes( if it ever does) LTN may be more attractive to other airlines- it isn't that attractive at the moment.
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One airline has just started and with two more to follow this year keeps Luton's total around the same.
Luton could do with a Jet 2 type operation from a new airline but has no capacity to offer anything this year. Blue Air have been gradually increasing their Luton programme though.
Luton could do with a Jet 2 type operation from a new airline but has no capacity to offer anything this year. Blue Air have been gradually increasing their Luton programme though.
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I was on the first flight from Heathrow to Sion earlier this year.
It's a pretty small airport and the local press was ecstatic about there being a flight to London once per week in the ski season. The flight despite being on a Saturday in February wasn't even anywhere near full. This is not a new Geneva
Yes, every little helps, but do not imagine that this is going to be anything more than the tiniest of bit-players for Luton overall
It's a pretty small airport and the local press was ecstatic about there being a flight to London once per week in the ski season. The flight despite being on a Saturday in February wasn't even anywhere near full. This is not a new Geneva
Yes, every little helps, but do not imagine that this is going to be anything more than the tiniest of bit-players for Luton overall
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I'm presuming that PowdAir is one of the two new airlines yet to commence, but who is the other?
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Re...a Jet2 operation (or similar) syndrome mentioned earlier it might be quite possible that LTN could be locked out of this market segment down South for a generation....unless a based airline adapts & adopts....unlikely as both rather slow on their feet.....
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Sorry I do not why LTN needs a Jet2 operation as it could only take place at the expense of Monarch and EasyJet. Together and with a contribution from Ryanair and Thomson they cover most of the destinations than Jet2 does from Stansted. As it is they may be having an impact on LTNs ability to serve this market.
To me it seems that Jet2 are rather flooding the market at the moment and somebody is going to get hurt. As the B-word feeds slower growth and more inflation into the UK economy the market is likely to become harder over the next few years and that will impact the "UK originating bottom end" most". Jet2 is IMHO most vulnerable in this respect. Just like Court Line in 1973/4.
To me it seems that Jet2 are rather flooding the market at the moment and somebody is going to get hurt. As the B-word feeds slower growth and more inflation into the UK economy the market is likely to become harder over the next few years and that will impact the "UK originating bottom end" most". Jet2 is IMHO most vulnerable in this respect. Just like Court Line in 1973/4.
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Oh and I don't think TUI are slow on their feet. They are just German in style - they know their market and they will protect it- and go where the competition is unlikely to so as to live with a higher cost base if necessary. Nothing radical, nothing quick. The considered Germanic Family Business way of doing things (yes I know they are UK listed but German in managerial style).
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Luton is already locked out of many segments but it has done them no harm. Luton is running way over capacity and when the new developments are finished it is highly likely that Luton will be close to its new limit on day one. Biz jet users have a love affair with Luton that no other airport can come close to so the airport has a good future. I don't think Luton is doing much wrong although I could pick holes in its fixtures and fittings and that dreadful drop off zone.
Perhaps a naive question, but I had always assumed that an A320 movement generates considerably more revenue for the airport than the average private jet. Is this generally correct ?
If it is correct, is Luton's passenger capacity limited solely by the capacity of the terminal, or does the private jet crowd significantly prevent more A320s passing through Luton ?
If reducing the number of private jet movement would allow for more A320 movements, then could we see Luton modify its pricing policy to encourage private jets yo go to Biggin Hill or Farnborough instead ?
If it is correct, is Luton's passenger capacity limited solely by the capacity of the terminal, or does the private jet crowd significantly prevent more A320s passing through Luton ?
If reducing the number of private jet movement would allow for more A320 movements, then could we see Luton modify its pricing policy to encourage private jets yo go to Biggin Hill or Farnborough instead ?
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Perhaps a naive question, but I had always assumed that an A320 movement generates considerably more revenue for the airport than the average private jet. Is this generally correct ?
A new apron could be built on the eastern side of the short term car park after the second multistory is built but the real issue will always be the size of the terminal which would be hard to add further capacity to.
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Under the ACL slot allocation system, there is already a massive squeeze at times on bizjet movements, but this has little effect overall on their numbers year-on-year. Certainly the airports view on this market was that it was basically a lucrative additional income stream at very little extra expense to the airport operation.
LTNman + Buster - thank you for your posts
If terminal capacity is the limiting factor on pax movements, are there any particular areas which are the bottlenecks ?
Since security moved downstairs, I've found the queue doesn't seem so bad. Possibly because queues are separated out at an earlier stage.
Which is the strictest constraint (after all major works are complete) ?
- security capacity when entering the departures area
- the main departure lounge area (particularly near Pret-a-Manger / Boots)
- the number of usable gates
- the size of the immigration arrival hall or the capacity by immigration officials to process pax per hour
- vehicle capacity on the approach road (presumably solved once the transit to the station is built)
- something else
I've seen at Geneva airport there are tunnels to remote gate islands - would such an approach increase capacity at Luton ?
If terminal capacity is the limiting factor on pax movements, are there any particular areas which are the bottlenecks ?
Since security moved downstairs, I've found the queue doesn't seem so bad. Possibly because queues are separated out at an earlier stage.
Which is the strictest constraint (after all major works are complete) ?
- security capacity when entering the departures area
- the main departure lounge area (particularly near Pret-a-Manger / Boots)
- the number of usable gates
- the size of the immigration arrival hall or the capacity by immigration officials to process pax per hour
- vehicle capacity on the approach road (presumably solved once the transit to the station is built)
- something else
I've seen at Geneva airport there are tunnels to remote gate islands - would such an approach increase capacity at Luton ?