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I don't understand the logic in the Toulouse route for easyJet, with a daily schedule that also runs through the winter season. But then they have recently commenced two new French routes, Marseille and Nantes, both at 3/4 weekly flights and are doing very well in the first month of operation. Also, if Toulouse was reduced to four weekly flights, another new route could be started at thrice weekly flights. easyJet need to get their act together!
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And anyone foolish enough to try and cut congestion by riding anything with 2 wheels into the CTA now faces a half mile ordeal dodging vehicles jostling for position getting into and out of the drop off and short term car parks. Well thought out LLA. Methinks the bike will be left outside the CTA once the summer mayhem hits (or next week if todays nightmare becomes the norm).
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For now all the coaches, buses and the train shuttle bus have to go the long way around the CTA and then queue to pass the exit barriers not that there is much of a queue. The animated video the airport produced a couple of years ago showed a coach short cut that crossed the duel carriageway from the bus station. This short cut is going in but how practical it will be for a double length articulated shuttle bus to cross a dual carriageway remains to be seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afZIJxLaPAE
Oh and yesterday within 10 minutes of the new temporary route opening there was an accident when a car went into the back of the car in front.
Now is the right time to do this major project but Easter is not far away so we will have to wait and see if the work is finished regarding the building of the missing section of the inbound duel carriageway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afZIJxLaPAE
Oh and yesterday within 10 minutes of the new temporary route opening there was an accident when a car went into the back of the car in front.
Now is the right time to do this major project but Easter is not far away so we will have to wait and see if the work is finished regarding the building of the missing section of the inbound duel carriageway.
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Ryanair are operating a daily TLS from STN, I have used it a few times and always found it fairly full. they go to double daily from the summer timetable. I have no idea of the fare comparison
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Despite all this bad press, it doesn't seem to be deterring people from flying from LTN. I'm trying out the new Valencia service, that easyJet only launched two weeks ago, and upon doing the on-line check-in, there was hardly any seats to choose as the flight is packed in both directions.
Not bad considering the time of year!
Not bad considering the time of year!
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Be aware then that I noticed this morning that despite being midweek in February that the traffic was queuing part of the way down the hill past the Ibis roundabout due to the temporary road diversion that now takes all inbound traffic through the edge of the bus station and not around the former roundabout and then along a new temporary route before joining back up with the ring road by the drop off area.
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Ryanair Winter 2017/18 Schedule
- 15 routes including Fuerteventura (2 wkly), Lanzarote (2 wkly), Malta (4 wkly) & Tenerife (2 wkly)
- 72 weekly flights
- 1.6m customers p.a
- 1,200* “on-site” jobs p.a.
As probably to be expected, quite a drop in capacity for FR compared to this winter. Compares to 17 routes at present with 97 weekly flights; a reduction of around 25%.
Still isn't clear what the 15 routes will be. Cagliari we know has been axed but definitely something else to get the chop. Also not clear yet if Dusseldorf-Weeze and Faro will continue for winter.
- 72 weekly flights
- 1.6m customers p.a
- 1,200* “on-site” jobs p.a.
As probably to be expected, quite a drop in capacity for FR compared to this winter. Compares to 17 routes at present with 97 weekly flights; a reduction of around 25%.
Still isn't clear what the 15 routes will be. Cagliari we know has been axed but definitely something else to get the chop. Also not clear yet if Dusseldorf-Weeze and Faro will continue for winter.
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We will be flying from Luton for the first time in 2 years this weekend.
Given the current works that are going on with the tunnel is it possible to walk from the Holiday Inn on the corner to Departures ?
Given the current works that are going on with the tunnel is it possible to walk from the Holiday Inn on the corner to Departures ?
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You could be dropped off for free in the mid term car park and then get the free bus to the terminal but I would also be inclined to walk from the Holiday Inn and would say it was more like a 6 or 7 minute walk.
When airside an oasis of calm with seating can be found if you head for gates 1 to I think 6 or 7. Before you walk downstairs there is a lounge with a small cafe but you don't need to use the cafe to use the seating. From this lounge no gate is more than a 6 minute brisk walk even if you have to walk all the way back. This lounge has flight screens so you can keep an eye on your flight.
When airside an oasis of calm with seating can be found if you head for gates 1 to I think 6 or 7. Before you walk downstairs there is a lounge with a small cafe but you don't need to use the cafe to use the seating. From this lounge no gate is more than a 6 minute brisk walk even if you have to walk all the way back. This lounge has flight screens so you can keep an eye on your flight.
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Construction update
Hardly seems worth the effort for the amount of extra apron gained but the foundations for a new wall has been installed to increase the depth of stands 16-19. At the far end the drop is around 2 metres. The old grass area that is being removed does get wider behind the camera though.
The new exist route has opened as a single lane at the moment. All traffic entering the CTA has to leave via this new road.
In the background can be seen the multistory which is now open on all floors. The ground, first and most of the second floor is public parking. A small part of the second floor contains the offices and customer pick up/ drop off point for priority parking. The third floor and roof is the area where cars are taken by staff to be parked so has no public access although there does not seem to be any physical restrictions.
All traffic has to pass through part of the bus station before heading down a temporary route which was the former drop off area. This is causing delays in peak flow February traffic.
Passengers are now following the route of the covered walkway which had its foundations put in before the top layer of tarmac was laid. To the right is the old lower route containing the old service road crossing. This part of the path will be raised and opened again in the coming weeks. In the background more of the terminal extension has been clad. The outline of part of the entrance can be seen seen by the lower gaps in the cladding. Work has also started on fitting partitions and cable trays inside the new build.
The new entry road has had kerbing laid beside the drop off area and throughout the length of the exit tunnel under Alpha.
A bus can been seen following a temporary route through the edge of the short term car park just before it joins the already completed ring road.
Work has started again on putting in steels for pier B
The new exist route has opened as a single lane at the moment. All traffic entering the CTA has to leave via this new road.
In the background can be seen the multistory which is now open on all floors. The ground, first and most of the second floor is public parking. A small part of the second floor contains the offices and customer pick up/ drop off point for priority parking. The third floor and roof is the area where cars are taken by staff to be parked so has no public access although there does not seem to be any physical restrictions.
All traffic has to pass through part of the bus station before heading down a temporary route which was the former drop off area. This is causing delays in peak flow February traffic.
Passengers are now following the route of the covered walkway which had its foundations put in before the top layer of tarmac was laid. To the right is the old lower route containing the old service road crossing. This part of the path will be raised and opened again in the coming weeks. In the background more of the terminal extension has been clad. The outline of part of the entrance can be seen seen by the lower gaps in the cladding. Work has also started on fitting partitions and cable trays inside the new build.
The new entry road has had kerbing laid beside the drop off area and throughout the length of the exit tunnel under Alpha.
A bus can been seen following a temporary route through the edge of the short term car park just before it joins the already completed ring road.
Work has started again on putting in steels for pier B
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@FRatSTN,
It is worth noting that Ryanair cancel services at Luton but then transfer them to STN. Those cancelled services should be reinstated with a Luton operator such as EasyJet!
With LTN having been neglected on the Irish services for many years now, I would like to see the LTN Airport Management approach Norwegian with view to feeding services from LTN to Ireland destinations for their new USA services.
If you consider it, STN operator MAG is almost fully dependent on FR operations, whilst the likes of LTN, LGW and Heathrow have equal balance between the top airline and the other airlines that operate. In effect Ryanair's 'mega dominance' at STN could become a hindrance in the future and MAG could find themselves bowing to every demand by the airline?
It is worth noting that Ryanair cancel services at Luton but then transfer them to STN. Those cancelled services should be reinstated with a Luton operator such as EasyJet!
With LTN having been neglected on the Irish services for many years now, I would like to see the LTN Airport Management approach Norwegian with view to feeding services from LTN to Ireland destinations for their new USA services.
If you consider it, STN operator MAG is almost fully dependent on FR operations, whilst the likes of LTN, LGW and Heathrow have equal balance between the top airline and the other airlines that operate. In effect Ryanair's 'mega dominance' at STN could become a hindrance in the future and MAG could find themselves bowing to every demand by the airline?
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If you honestly believe that Luton has an equal balance of operators then you really need to look at the departure boards at your favourite airport...
Wizz
Wizz
Easy
Wizz
Wizz
Easy
Wizz ...
I could go on.
It's no less dependent on Wizz and Easy than MAG is with Ryanair.
It could also be said that the dependence on FR up the road at STN is less this year with 14 scheduled airlines plus quite a large charter presence in comparison to LTN.
Your opinion is a bit dated if you ask me. I think all SE airports are heavily reliant on at least one or two dominant carriers.
If you honestly believe that Luton has an equal balance of operators then you really need to look at the departure boards at your favourite airport...
Wizz
Wizz
Easy
Wizz
Wizz
Easy
Wizz ...
I could go on.
It's no less dependent on Wizz and Easy than MAG is with Ryanair.
It could also be said that the dependence on FR up the road at STN is less this year with 14 scheduled airlines plus quite a large charter presence in comparison to LTN.
Your opinion is a bit dated if you ask me. I think all SE airports are heavily reliant on at least one or two dominant carriers.
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@FRatSTN,
It is worth noting that Ryanair cancel services at Luton but then transfer them to STN. Those cancelled services should be reinstated with a Luton operator such as EasyJet!
With LTN having been neglected on the Irish services for many years now, I would like to see the LTN Airport Management approach Norwegian with view to feeding services from LTN to Ireland destinations for their new USA services.
If you consider it, STN operator MAG is almost fully dependent on FR operations, whilst the likes of LTN, LGW and Heathrow have equal balance between the top airline and the other airlines that operate. In effect Ryanair's 'mega dominance' at STN could become a hindrance in the future and MAG could find themselves bowing to every demand by the airline?
It is worth noting that Ryanair cancel services at Luton but then transfer them to STN. Those cancelled services should be reinstated with a Luton operator such as EasyJet!
With LTN having been neglected on the Irish services for many years now, I would like to see the LTN Airport Management approach Norwegian with view to feeding services from LTN to Ireland destinations for their new USA services.
If you consider it, STN operator MAG is almost fully dependent on FR operations, whilst the likes of LTN, LGW and Heathrow have equal balance between the top airline and the other airlines that operate. In effect Ryanair's 'mega dominance' at STN could become a hindrance in the future and MAG could find themselves bowing to every demand by the airline?
I hope that some of the lost routes from Ryanair will be picked up by others. I could quite see easyJet taking on Cagliari (they once flew this route from LTN) and a return to Copenhagen in time.
I don't see anyone competing on the Irish routes - no one has dared take on Ryanair yet, so why now? It's a shame that Ryanair doesn't do more from LTN to Ireland - more DUB, flights to ORK & SNN but I can't see it happening.
Norwegian seems a bit of a long shot to me.
Wasn't there talk of someone returning on the WAT route, whats happened about that?
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I'm not getting into any STN v LTN debate as quite frankly it's been done to death.
I assume Lee Baker Street's post is a response to my posting of FR's Winter schedule which was just a statement of fact, so seems somewhat unfounded
Indeed many airports, not just in the UK but in fact across the globe are becoming increasingly dominated by one or two carriers. It's partly down to consolidation in some markets but I think also because usually the dominate carrier helps drive up passenger numbers. That becomes increasingly important as airports increase their commercial activities and engage in greater competition with each other.
LTN and STN are both in a good position currently with a lot of growth and opportunity in the short/medium-term at least. Whilst the arrival of LS and one or two other carriers is reversing the trend to some degree, FR has driven the passenger growth at STN in recent years like no other airline would. We are seeing EZY and W6 becoming increasingly dominant at LTN for very similar reasons.
In terms of the hot topic at the moment of LCCs feeding into long-haul, it's the likes of EZYs LGW and FRs STN network that are likely to be attractive to long-haul operators and in turn could become less of a "hindrance" to those airports.
I assume Lee Baker Street's post is a response to my posting of FR's Winter schedule which was just a statement of fact, so seems somewhat unfounded
Indeed many airports, not just in the UK but in fact across the globe are becoming increasingly dominated by one or two carriers. It's partly down to consolidation in some markets but I think also because usually the dominate carrier helps drive up passenger numbers. That becomes increasingly important as airports increase their commercial activities and engage in greater competition with each other.
LTN and STN are both in a good position currently with a lot of growth and opportunity in the short/medium-term at least. Whilst the arrival of LS and one or two other carriers is reversing the trend to some degree, FR has driven the passenger growth at STN in recent years like no other airline would. We are seeing EZY and W6 becoming increasingly dominant at LTN for very similar reasons.
In terms of the hot topic at the moment of LCCs feeding into long-haul, it's the likes of EZYs LGW and FRs STN network that are likely to be attractive to long-haul operators and in turn could become less of a "hindrance" to those airports.
This debate seems to have veered from the original post stating that Stansted is dominated by FR to others stating that many airports are dominated by one or two operators.
There must be few airports in Europe handling over 20m pax that have 70% of that throughput provided by one airline.
Just saying....
There must be few airports in Europe handling over 20m pax that have 70% of that throughput provided by one airline.
Just saying....
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I disagree MAG are bent over a barrel with Ryanair at Stansted, many could view it the other way...
Ryanair want a peice of the action, of the busiest airline traveller market in the world - that being London! If Ryanair decided to move out of STN, there is no way LGW, LTN and SEN could accomodate the current operations of Ryanair from London.
Back to Luton, with the exception of the Copenhagen service, I think Ryanair operate the base very differently to that of Stansted and is treated more as a smaller regional base like operated from BHX, BRS, EMA and right across Europe. Where instead of operating multiple daily services, they fly several times a week to destinations maximising the number of routes with a minimal fleet.
I also think Ryanair targets Luton more to passengers in the North West of London and the Home Counties of Herts, Beds and Bucks, instead of the whole of London, unlike Stansted where they have far more seats to fill. Also I have noticed how Luton has regularly been used to experiment with new markets for Ryanair, for example Milan-Begamo, Malta and Stockholm-Vasteraas, before being added to the Stansted route network.
With having Ryanair's largest base on Luton's doorstep, there's always going to be some vulnerability to the Luton base and routes will always be subject to change, where markets overlap and when both airports can't sustain the same routes.
Im not overly keen on the way Ryanair have driven easyJet out of town on the Copenhagen route, by flooding the market with cheap seats and undercutting them, but that's capitalism like it or lump it...
With Ryanair building up a nice portfolio of routes at Tel Aviv, I wonder how long it is until they enter the London route and will that be from Luton?!
Not in the immediate future, but give it a few years and I think there is still a chance the likes of Norwegian or Vueling could look to opening a small North London base of 4-8 units at Luton, especially with Gatwick filling up and airlines trying to avoid direct competition with Ryanair at Stansted.
Ryanair want a peice of the action, of the busiest airline traveller market in the world - that being London! If Ryanair decided to move out of STN, there is no way LGW, LTN and SEN could accomodate the current operations of Ryanair from London.
Back to Luton, with the exception of the Copenhagen service, I think Ryanair operate the base very differently to that of Stansted and is treated more as a smaller regional base like operated from BHX, BRS, EMA and right across Europe. Where instead of operating multiple daily services, they fly several times a week to destinations maximising the number of routes with a minimal fleet.
I also think Ryanair targets Luton more to passengers in the North West of London and the Home Counties of Herts, Beds and Bucks, instead of the whole of London, unlike Stansted where they have far more seats to fill. Also I have noticed how Luton has regularly been used to experiment with new markets for Ryanair, for example Milan-Begamo, Malta and Stockholm-Vasteraas, before being added to the Stansted route network.
With having Ryanair's largest base on Luton's doorstep, there's always going to be some vulnerability to the Luton base and routes will always be subject to change, where markets overlap and when both airports can't sustain the same routes.
Im not overly keen on the way Ryanair have driven easyJet out of town on the Copenhagen route, by flooding the market with cheap seats and undercutting them, but that's capitalism like it or lump it...
With Ryanair building up a nice portfolio of routes at Tel Aviv, I wonder how long it is until they enter the London route and will that be from Luton?!
Not in the immediate future, but give it a few years and I think there is still a chance the likes of Norwegian or Vueling could look to opening a small North London base of 4-8 units at Luton, especially with Gatwick filling up and airlines trying to avoid direct competition with Ryanair at Stansted.
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I disagree MAG are bent over a barrel with Ryanair at Stansted, many could view it the other way...
Ryanair want a peice of the action, of the busiest airline traveller market in the world - that being London! If Ryanair decided to move out of STN, there is no way LGW, LTN and SEN could accomodate the current operations of Ryanair from London.
Back to Luton, with the exception of the Copenhagen service, I think Ryanair operate the base very differently to that of Stansted and is treated more as a smaller regional base like operated from BHX, BRS, EMA and right across Europe. Where instead of operating multiple daily services, they fly several times a week to destinations maximising the number of routes with a minimal fleet.
I also think Ryanair targets Luton more to passengers in the North West of London and the Home Counties of Herts, Beds and Bucks, instead of the whole of London, unlike Stansted where they have far more seats to fill. Also I have noticed how Luton has regularly been used to experiment with new markets for Ryanair, for example Milan-Begamo, Malta and Stockholm-Vasteraas, before being added to the Stansted route network.
With having Ryanair's largest base on Luton's doorstep, there's always going to be some vulnerability to the Luton base and routes will always be subject to change, where markets overlap and when both airports can't sustain the same routes.
Im not overly keen on the way Ryanair have driven easyJet out of town on the Copenhagen route, by flooding the market with cheap seats and undercutting them, but that's capitalism like it or lump it...
With Ryanair building up a nice portfolio of routes at Tel Aviv, I wonder how long it is until they enter the London route and will that be from Luton?!
Not in the immediate future, but give it a few years and I think there is still a chance the likes of Norwegian or Vueling could look to opening a small North London base of 4-8 units at Luton, especially with Gatwick filling up and airlines trying to avoid direct competition with Ryanair at Stansted.
Ryanair want a peice of the action, of the busiest airline traveller market in the world - that being London! If Ryanair decided to move out of STN, there is no way LGW, LTN and SEN could accomodate the current operations of Ryanair from London.
Back to Luton, with the exception of the Copenhagen service, I think Ryanair operate the base very differently to that of Stansted and is treated more as a smaller regional base like operated from BHX, BRS, EMA and right across Europe. Where instead of operating multiple daily services, they fly several times a week to destinations maximising the number of routes with a minimal fleet.
I also think Ryanair targets Luton more to passengers in the North West of London and the Home Counties of Herts, Beds and Bucks, instead of the whole of London, unlike Stansted where they have far more seats to fill. Also I have noticed how Luton has regularly been used to experiment with new markets for Ryanair, for example Milan-Begamo, Malta and Stockholm-Vasteraas, before being added to the Stansted route network.
With having Ryanair's largest base on Luton's doorstep, there's always going to be some vulnerability to the Luton base and routes will always be subject to change, where markets overlap and when both airports can't sustain the same routes.
Im not overly keen on the way Ryanair have driven easyJet out of town on the Copenhagen route, by flooding the market with cheap seats and undercutting them, but that's capitalism like it or lump it...
With Ryanair building up a nice portfolio of routes at Tel Aviv, I wonder how long it is until they enter the London route and will that be from Luton?!
Not in the immediate future, but give it a few years and I think there is still a chance the likes of Norwegian or Vueling could look to opening a small North London base of 4-8 units at Luton, especially with Gatwick filling up and airlines trying to avoid direct competition with Ryanair at Stansted.