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There are a lot of flights available from BHX to Lapland this Winter.
Here are the timetables for flights from BHX-ENF, KTT & RVN.
BHX-Enontekio (ENF)
Schedules - Want 2 Go There
BHX-Kittila (KTT)
Schedules - Want 2 Go There
BHX-Rovaniemi (RVN)
Schedules - Want 2 Go There
Here are the timetables for flights from BHX-ENF, KTT & RVN.
BHX-Enontekio (ENF)
Schedules - Want 2 Go There
BHX-Kittila (KTT)
Schedules - Want 2 Go There
BHX-Rovaniemi (RVN)
Schedules - Want 2 Go There
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China
Just reading the DUB thread and rumours of an Air China flight from next April? Considering DUB's runway is only marginally longer than BHX's I can't see how it could be a direct flight but did get me thinking as to whether a DUB-BHX-China flight could be a possible?
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China Pattern,
Well BHX have been talking to a Chinese Airline recently but it wasn't Air China.
However technically could link into BHX and would be reachable off our extension.
More likely via a European Airport already served or perhaps MAN..I live in hope though.
Nigel
Well BHX have been talking to a Chinese Airline recently but it wasn't Air China.
However technically could link into BHX and would be reachable off our extension.
More likely via a European Airport already served or perhaps MAN..I live in hope though.
Nigel
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China Pattern
DUB-LAX is longer than The rumoured Air China route so runway isn't a problem and China will have a tailwind unlike LAX and it never had problems. The A332 can only be used an A333 couldn't operate either from DUB.
DUB-LAX is longer than The rumoured Air China route so runway isn't a problem and China will have a tailwind unlike LAX and it never had problems. The A332 can only be used an A333 couldn't operate either from DUB.
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Sorry to raise the ugly head of Air Blue again but they have confirmed starting flights from STN to LHE. A kick in the teeth for BHX and another reminder of the power of the MAG group on the fortunes of BHX in attracting airlines - with FR in bed with MAG at all three airports, a long term deal signed with ZB at MAN and EMA and now Air Blue defecting to STN, BHX is surrounded.....lets hope they don't buy BRS......
BHX-China - believe it when I see it. Airlines are in talks with airports all the time.......would a BHX-China flight via a European airport be any more attractive to punters than current options (EK, LX, LH etc) or driving to LHR? Needs to be non-stop to make it work surely?
BHX-China - believe it when I see it. Airlines are in talks with airports all the time.......would a BHX-China flight via a European airport be any more attractive to punters than current options (EK, LX, LH etc) or driving to LHR? Needs to be non-stop to make it work surely?
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Well whatever the excuse BHX have been treated rather poorly by Airblue but given STN's track record with long haul I wouldn't expect them to last long there either; AA, PIA, Air Asia X and even TK have all had rather short tenures.
It does re-inforce the point though that BHX is surrounded by MAG airports with an ability to set prices to impact and target BHX.
Leaving aside the (perhaps) not insignificant fact that MAG is not really a private company, owned as it it is by local government, the airports are operated as businesses, and any predatory pricing would surely be jumped upon, not least by BHX or other privately operated airports. The former BAA got caught out a while ago like this.
Sure, the Air Blue situation could leave a nasty taste in the mouth, and I guess that the marketing people at BHX are also pretty sore about the way things have gone. But in business, you pick yourself up, dust yourself down, and carry on - which is what they will surely be doing right now.
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Where was I loving 'being a victim'. I'm just stating a fact that there are 3 airports surrounding BHX all owned by the same company. We have a company in Air Blue who after a matter of weeks stopped services to BHX and started from an MAG airport down the road. We have Monarch who have recently signed a contract with MAG to expand operations across all 3 MAG airports. It would seem fairly clear to me that MAG are setting prices across the 3 airports and if they want to expand operations than BHX is the competitor sat in the middle. If I were working for MAG I would be targeting the BHX catchment and operators pretty vigourously.
Where was I loving 'being a victim'. I'm just stating a fact that there are 3 airports surrounding BHX all owned by the same company. We have a company in Air Blue who after a matter of weeks stopped services to BHX and started from an MAG airport down the road. We have Monarch who have recently signed a contract with MAG to expand operations across all 3 MAG airports. It would seem fairly clear to me that MAG are setting prices across the 3 airports and if they want to expand operations than BHX is the competitor sat in the middle. If I were working for MAG I would be targeting the BHX catchment and operators pretty vigourously.
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The Airblue situation is annoying but incidental.
An impartial observer judging the stagnation at Birmingham might well ask questions about the performance of Paul Kehoe, BHX's CEO.
One of his early public utterances on his arrival in 2008 was to publically question the business case for the runway extension.
The result was that instead of being completed in time for the 2012 Olympic Games, it won't be completed until April 2014.
Most people now are aware of the high fees at the airport, almost double those at MAN.
No one however seems to know why this is the case?
If an airline was choosing whether to fly from BHX, MAN or EMA, all other things being equal, it would choose the airport with lowest fees.
BHX's catchment area has no less than 35 million people within a 2 hours drive, more than any other airport in the UK.
Why isn't Mr Kehoe using this good fortune?
He is an acknowledged environmentalist and often bangs on about public transport access to the airport but rarely does he mention that half the country can drive to BHX in 2 hours - he should be continually reminding the public of that fact.
Manchester airport is about to provide 9,000 additional parking spaces on fields adjacent to the airport.
This is something Paul Kehoe should have tackled years ago for BHX, provide lots of very cheap parking, possibly free for bona fide business travellers.
Mr Kehoe was CEO at LTN and BRS, strangely both airports boomed after he moved on.
It could have been due to policies he introduced while in charge, if so I wish he could do the same for Birmingham.
An impartial observer judging the stagnation at Birmingham might well ask questions about the performance of Paul Kehoe, BHX's CEO.
One of his early public utterances on his arrival in 2008 was to publically question the business case for the runway extension.
The result was that instead of being completed in time for the 2012 Olympic Games, it won't be completed until April 2014.
Most people now are aware of the high fees at the airport, almost double those at MAN.
No one however seems to know why this is the case?
If an airline was choosing whether to fly from BHX, MAN or EMA, all other things being equal, it would choose the airport with lowest fees.
BHX's catchment area has no less than 35 million people within a 2 hours drive, more than any other airport in the UK.
Why isn't Mr Kehoe using this good fortune?
He is an acknowledged environmentalist and often bangs on about public transport access to the airport but rarely does he mention that half the country can drive to BHX in 2 hours - he should be continually reminding the public of that fact.
Manchester airport is about to provide 9,000 additional parking spaces on fields adjacent to the airport.
This is something Paul Kehoe should have tackled years ago for BHX, provide lots of very cheap parking, possibly free for bona fide business travellers.
Mr Kehoe was CEO at LTN and BRS, strangely both airports boomed after he moved on.
It could have been due to policies he introduced while in charge, if so I wish he could do the same for Birmingham.
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You maybe correct in saying 35 million live within 2 hours of Birmingham, but that would include Manchester and London would it not at its furthest reaches, and nobody from those areas are going to fly from BHX when they have many more services on offer from their doorstep. So how many do you knock off that 35m that would actually fly from BHX ? IMO 35m is a mile off the mark as regards to BHX actual catchment...and there lies its problem I think...it is well and truly sandwiched between the London airports and MAN, an unfortunate geographical problem that will never go away for BHX.
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Air Blue
Now do you believe what I said about incentives......MAG sees BHX as a threat.... But on the other hand..Air Blue will not last very long at Stanstead... They would have been better off at Luton...
Does BHX need Air Blue... Not really.
Does BHX need Air Blue... Not really.
BHX's catchment area has no less than 35 million people within a 2 hours drive, more than any other airport in the UK.
If the UK has a problem, it's that there are just too many airports all vying for the same business. Germany has exactly the same problem, exacerbated by the conversion of heaven knows how many ex air force basis, into commercial airports.
hammerb32
I wasn't particularly aiming at you, just making the point that sometimes people have to accept what has happened - and move on!
I understand that the important measure when determining the size of an airport's catchment area is the population within a 1-hour drive time.
This measure tends to cut out silly duplication (such as Watford being <2 hours from BHX) yet includes populations where access to two or more airports is a feasible option (such as Stoke re BHX and MAN).
This measure tends to cut out silly duplication (such as Watford being <2 hours from BHX) yet includes populations where access to two or more airports is a feasible option (such as Stoke re BHX and MAN).
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PK just on Midlands Today and appeared to confirm Biman; when pressed about what airlines BHX might be seeing in the future he merely talked about airlines that will be using the new hangar which seems to suggest nothing else in the pipeline
PK just on Midlands Today and appeared to confirm Biman; when pressed about what airlines BHX might be seeing in the future he merely talked about airlines that will be using the new hangar which seems to suggest nothing else in the pipeline
She asked a few inane questions, he gave some pretty wool answers.