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How is the TS BHX-YYZ service crewed? Crewing costs must have an impact on the TS ops at BHX - being a weekly service, I imagine the crew operate into BHX have to be bussed to either MAN or LGW (or even positioned to GLA or DUB?) to operate back next day. The reverse of course will be the case for the operating outbound crew, they must be bussed in from MAN or LGW to BHX? Or do TS actually give their crew the pleasure of a week long BHX layover....
Positioning crew like this will add to the costs of operating this service. TS must therefore think it is commercially worthwhile to do so as most airlines will do anything to avoid positioning crew about so regularly unless absolutely necessary. A second frequency I doubt would help this situation, crew would still need to be positioned to another UK airport to operate back, like their planes airlines want crew flying not spending days on end on layovers! The YYZ service would need to be at least 4 x weekly to efficiently layover crew in BHX itself?
I really do hope BHX is in with a shout with WestJet to YYZ and that BHX eyes are back on the trans-Atlantic ball. Sadly however I would not be surprised if EDI and MAN gain any proposed new YYZ services instead. BHX does seem to be a poisoned chalice for trans-Atlantic ops - US Airways must have really been burnt at BHX to choose to operate EDI-PHL instead in 2014. I wonder if they re-considered operating to BHX at all??
Positioning crew like this will add to the costs of operating this service. TS must therefore think it is commercially worthwhile to do so as most airlines will do anything to avoid positioning crew about so regularly unless absolutely necessary. A second frequency I doubt would help this situation, crew would still need to be positioned to another UK airport to operate back, like their planes airlines want crew flying not spending days on end on layovers! The YYZ service would need to be at least 4 x weekly to efficiently layover crew in BHX itself?
I really do hope BHX is in with a shout with WestJet to YYZ and that BHX eyes are back on the trans-Atlantic ball. Sadly however I would not be surprised if EDI and MAN gain any proposed new YYZ services instead. BHX does seem to be a poisoned chalice for trans-Atlantic ops - US Airways must have really been burnt at BHX to choose to operate EDI-PHL instead in 2014. I wonder if they re-considered operating to BHX at all??
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I really do hope BHX is in with a shout with WestJet to YYZ and that BHX eyes are back on the trans-Atlantic ball. Sadly however I would not be surprised if EDI and MAN gain any proposed new YYZ services instead
The company said it had considered four or five other European cities as
potential destinations that would be within the range of its fleet of Boeing
737s
potential destinations that would be within the range of its fleet of Boeing
737s
But if WestJet's transatlantic service proves a success, it may consider
adding places like Edinburgh, Manchester, and/or London
adding places like Edinburgh, Manchester, and/or London
Lets hope BHX is in with a chance. A B737 with connections to other points in Canada should be the very least BHX should aim for.
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Just going back to this. Has it officially been announced yet? I know it is in amadeus and comes up on ticket agents web searches but birmingham is not on the drop down on the aegean airlines website nor is there any word on the BHX web pages or is that old hat nowadays and you find out new services on social media and forums ?
Well, the long rumoured QR 787 service to BHX has gone to....Edinburgh
ck Batman, how can this be?I've never been convinced by the muppets that run BHX but this caps it all.
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Airblue Suspend BHX Ops
It appears that AIrblue will suspend BHX ops in December. Agents are being advised to rebook affected pax to MAN. Apparent reasons - Shortage of aircraft. Seems like they won't be coming back.
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Holy 
ck Batman, how can this be?
I've never been convinced by the muppets that run BHX but this caps it all.
ck Batman, how can this be?I've never been convinced by the muppets that run BHX but this caps it all.
And besides, what would anyone talk about if QR started and AA announced ORD? !
No QR at BHX
To add my two-penneth, and not a popular one I guess, the decision of QR not to open BHX is probably the best thing that could have happened at the moment.
Another carrier serving roughly the same market at Emirates and Turkish could easily have resulted in one of these two successful operations blinking first, and leaving, or contracting at BHX. As it is, the status quo is maintained.
As for Air Blue, despite the hysteria, the is no definite info as to whether this is a "permanent suspension" or a temporary one. Again, it won't do PIA's fortunes any harm. Two carriers on ISB/BHX could be overkill, and could have resulted in no carriers on ISB/BHX.
More flights and more carriers often isn't the best option. Without wishing to raise the dreaded three letters "YYZ" again, look what happened when AC muscled in on WD's territory - result no scheduled services from YYZ to BHX!
Another carrier serving roughly the same market at Emirates and Turkish could easily have resulted in one of these two successful operations blinking first, and leaving, or contracting at BHX. As it is, the status quo is maintained.
As for Air Blue, despite the hysteria, the is no definite info as to whether this is a "permanent suspension" or a temporary one. Again, it won't do PIA's fortunes any harm. Two carriers on ISB/BHX could be overkill, and could have resulted in no carriers on ISB/BHX.
More flights and more carriers often isn't the best option. Without wishing to raise the dreaded three letters "YYZ" again, look what happened when AC muscled in on WD's territory - result no scheduled services from YYZ to BHX!
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Nailed on by whom?
Because QR were nailed on for BHX
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Wardair withdrew as BHX no longer suited their new business model, which foolishly for them meant they went almost bust and were bought for pennies by Canadian. Max Ward made his name with very reliable, super punctual long haul heavy routes on p2p then blew it all flying A310s on the Candian domestic scene. They turned their nose up at PIK despite having operated very succesfully with B747s and DC10s for year, and demanded GLA access for business traveller friendly facilities or they'd not be back.
That worked out well.
With Rouge choosing MAN and Mainline having a large LHR presence, I think BHX is marginalised between the two yet again sadly.
That worked out well.
With Rouge choosing MAN and Mainline having a large LHR presence, I think BHX is marginalised between the two yet again sadly.
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Yes you are right Qatar was never nailed on to come to BHX.
However the fact they named BHX as an airport they wanted to fly into and did not name the two other UK airports..yet don't start at BHX but from EDI which wasn't named by them before is disappointing.
I can understand where your coming from about not watering down the other airlines that fly to the region, however you really do seem to like your Status Quos.
I would have said that the TK and Emirates loads are consistently good and sustained to be able to absorb another carrier.
I suspect its far more about them joining One World and BHX doesn't do One World.
BA have not hidden their anger over earlier BHX boast to become LHR 3rd runway, and BAs turse reply to that was well covered in the local media here,did BA get an input into Qatars decision as claimed on other lists today ?
As for Air Blue, very confusing surely they knew how many planes they needed when they started so how all of a sudden do they not have enough planes.Something fishy
EDI.. what can you say..well done to them announcing three new long haul airlines in 7 days
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Andrew
Yes you are right Qatar was never nailed on to come to BHX.
However the fact they named BHX as an airport they wanted to fly into and did not name the two other UK airports..yet don't start at BHX but from EDI which wasn't named by them before is disappointing.
I can understand where your coming from about not watering down the other airlines that fly to the region, however you really do seem to like your Status Quos.
I would have said that the TK and Emirates loads are consistently good and sustained to be able to absorb another carrier.
I suspect its far more about them joining One World and BHX doesn't do One World.
BA have not hidden their anger over earlier BHX boast to become LHR 3rd runway, and BAs turse reply to that was well covered in the local media here,did BA get an input into Qatars decision as claimed on other lists today ?
As for Air Blue, very confusing surely they knew how many planes they needed when they started so how all of a sudden do they not have enough planes.Something fishy
EDI.. what can you say..well done to them announcing three new long haul airlines in 7 days
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Great news for EDI with QR adding flights to DOH, can we please now put that QR/BHX rumour to bed as it now seems even less likely to happen than ever. Talk about egg on face for BHX, it has been named as the next UK destination to be served and EDI goes and trumps them to it and to add insult to injury Air Blue call time on BHX too....
EDI is now virtually on a par with BHX for long haul ops and offers considerably better trans-Atlantic services. The problem for BHX in terms of long haul is that long haul demand is weakened by its proximity to LHR and MAN. Existing markets are therefore seemingly adequately served by a relatively small number of carriers and flights and there is no interest from airlines in launching into new ones, even with the runway extension. Has long haul expansion at BHX stalled? Embarrassed red faces all round I should imagine in the BHX boardrooms
EDI is now virtually on a par with BHX for long haul ops and offers considerably better trans-Atlantic services. The problem for BHX in terms of long haul is that long haul demand is weakened by its proximity to LHR and MAN. Existing markets are therefore seemingly adequately served by a relatively small number of carriers and flights and there is no interest from airlines in launching into new ones, even with the runway extension. Has long haul expansion at BHX stalled? Embarrassed red faces all round I should imagine in the BHX boardrooms
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We all seem to be getting hung up on the Edinburgh vs Birmingham thing.
The reality is, certainly Transatlantic, Edinburgh is a massive draw for American (US and Canadian) tourists. Birmingham sadly is not.
That also goes some way to explaining why some of the EDI tatl services are basically only summer tourist flights.
The reality is, certainly Transatlantic, Edinburgh is a massive draw for American (US and Canadian) tourists. Birmingham sadly is not.
That also goes some way to explaining why some of the EDI tatl services are basically only summer tourist flights.