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Old 9th Dec 2013, 17:51
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LOOK , Congratulations on the most imbecilic posting of the year !

I may Or not agree with some of postings made on here but I do at least give every person making the posting the generosity of reading their postings in full.

How on earth can you make rational comments if you only half read postings ?

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Old 9th Dec 2013, 18:39
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FlyBE has started adjusting their schedule for summer 2014, so far noticed the return of the Saturday MAN-HAJ-MAN rotation.

Re Easyjet: It appears 1/7 DME-MAN for most of summer.
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true Lax...BUT 2 a week, is it worth it really ?
Ah the typical half glass empty nothing good happening posting as usual.

Yes, lets just can all routes that are 1 to 2 weekly, like you say, whats the point.

Tunisair Tunis, Nouvelair Djerba, many of the Caribbean routes, quite a few Ryanair routes are low frequency, Easyjet to Bastia, Belavia to Minsk, Adria to Ljubniana to name a few.

Lets just cut the lot, no point to them according to Bagso.

Re Easyjet: It appears 1/7 DME-MAN for most of summer
Its 2 weekly there seems to be a glitch at the moment where Sundays flights are not showing in some portals.
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Old 9th Dec 2013, 19:47
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You will find all the Sunday departures if you go from 3 week view to 3 day view on the easyJet website. At least I would have reacted if someone told me it is only six days in a week.
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Old 9th Dec 2013, 21:14
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The last time I flew Lufthansa to Munich a couple of years ago, it was on a half empty A319.
I've just made a return trip MAN-MUC-MAN on A321s, about 10 empty seats outbound & the return 100% full (inc the front bit), so i should think LH are pretty pleased with MAN.

Also worth mentioning for those that are critical of handling at MAN. I also recently sat on an E195 of Lufthansa City Line at Munich, fully pax loaded on schedule- only to have to wait 30 minutes before a crew could be found to load bags on to it.
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Old 9th Dec 2013, 21:55
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You will find all the Sunday departures if you go from 3 week view to 3 day view on the easyJet website. At least I would have reacted if someone told me it is only six days in a week.
Agreed but you will find that if a flight only operates once a week ie BIA depending what day you enter you can find that the site returns no flights because it falls outside +/- 3 days
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Old 9th Dec 2013, 23:42
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In reply, I'll simply refer you to your own words, rather than hurl personal insults.

You wrote: .....but bad news re EZY Moscow, Manchester really should be able to hold on to this.

You also wrote: .....If it WAS such a roaring success why is it being pulled ?

Marketing, about which you complain so much, is the art of conveying clear positive messages from the supplier to the end-user.
You really can't see the irony can you?
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Old 10th Dec 2013, 00:47
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Yesterdays United B767 had to be downgraded back to a B757 due to the weather and very late running of the inbound aircraft.

The good news is, it would seem my friend was right about further upgrades, as UA81 has just left EWR and is a B767-400, with AA54 also being a B767-300 again.
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Old 10th Dec 2013, 00:51
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Does anyone know what Terminal Air Canada Rouge will be using when they start operations? Or is it still to be confirmed?
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Old 10th Dec 2013, 13:26
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Listening to Key 103 today and I am sick of hearing MAN/EZY joint adverts purely for the Moscow service..they are on every ad break, so they are at least trying to increase awareness of the flight.
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Old 10th Dec 2013, 18:30
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Delta 64 looking to be switched from 330 to 764 for S14.
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Old 10th Dec 2013, 19:08
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Delta 64 looking to be switched from 330 to 764 for S14.
No should be a 76W (thats back to a 300 series)

And the reason is that the Atlanta 332s are being redeployed to Seattle to operate Shanghai and Hong Kong where their performance and range is advantageous.

The 332 European appearances in 2014 seem to be restricted to Paris services and a single Amsterdam - Twin Cities rotation.
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Old 12th Dec 2013, 15:33
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So, Manchester yesterday refused 3 diverts (BA B744, SQ B77W and CX B77W), due to lack of staff. (yes this argument again)

Cathay Pacific in particular was interesting, ops at CX apparently spending 30 minutes on the phone to MAN asking to take the CX257 HKG-LHR flight, but point blank refused.

Now, the reason for the refusals is written above, so, my question is, why does this problem seem unique to MAN in particular, yet other airports seem not to make such an issue of this?

Lets look at it this way:

Liverpool. An airport totally reliant on low cost carriers, therefore, one would assume it means the handling staff would be based on the prices the low cost carriers are willing to pay and therefore not much slack to accept extra flights at short notice. Do they have a reputation for refusing flights? No. Do they have horror stories of passengers left stranded on aircraft for hours at a time? No. Therefore presumably, they cope well with the diverts.

Birmingham. A similar traffic structure to MAN albeit on a smaller scale. One would then assume the staffing levels would be at a similar ratio to that of MAN. Do they refuse many diverts? No. Horror stories of passengers left stranded on aircraft for hours? No. Therefore, are we to presume they cope well with diverts? Yes.

Gatwick. Busiest single runway airport in the world. They still managed to accept 3 widebody diverts. 2 of its biggest customers are low cost airlines (easyjet and Norwegian). Do they cope? Yes.

So, why oh why is MAN quite a unique scenario whereby staffing levels are at such a minimum, that the thought of accommodating 3 extra flights for a fuel divert, seems to send the place into a tailspin?

At the end of the day, new routes are not only born on the obvious market demographics, but also on airline relationships. Cathay Pacific for example have stated they wish to serve MAN with pax aircraft in 2016. Do you think the fact that handling a B777 of theirs seemed to fill MAN with dread to the point of refusal will sit well in their eyes? No. Will they question if MAN can cope with a 3-4 weekly service? Probably, after this fiasco.

Come on MAN/Suppliers, sort it out! I know it doesn't pay to have hoardes of staff sat around 'just in case', but, running the place on a shoestring to the point 3 extra flights would cause chaos is just pathetic and looks very poor to outside observers!
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Old 12th Dec 2013, 16:11
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CX from Manchester in 2016.....whats your exact source for this please - seems a bit vague 'CX'?

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Old 12th Dec 2013, 16:15
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lack of staff in what department, CX have Engineering and Cargo staff at MAN so its not them, they also use servisair for cargo flts, so it's not them? Is it therefore marshallers/ops people, fuellers, can't see how that should be a problem. So where is the staff shortage as I really don't understand where it could be?

Really doesn't bode well for CX pax flts in the future, because they will not forget!
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Old 12th Dec 2013, 16:16
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Originally Posted by mickyman
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CX from Manchester in 2016.....whats your exact source for this please - seems a bit vague 'CX'?

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When the A350 comes on line, MAN is pencilled in for them to operate there, although that could (will) change.
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Old 12th Dec 2013, 16:19
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So, Manchester yesterday refused 3 diverts
Gossip aside was this an airfield ops perspective or a nominated handler refusal? Handlers have cut staff to the bone with no give in the system. The days of Speedbird Manchester handling a swathe of BA bound heavies with on site staff are a past era. It may well be that accepting a Cathay B77W with no extra staff to cover would have cost them money in late off block fines from existing customers. That's the reality.
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Old 12th Dec 2013, 16:25
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Birmingham. A similar traffic structure to MAN albeit on a smaller scale. One would then assume the staffing levels would be at a similar ratio to that of MAN. Do they refuse many diverts? No. Horror stories of passengers left stranded on aircraft for hours? No. Therefore, are we to presume they cope well with diverts? Yes.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe BHX refused a SQ flight last winter on the grounds that there were too many FR kites parked up for the duration and therefore no room. I also believe all the staff would have coped if there was enough room.
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Old 12th Dec 2013, 16:47
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Is it not sensible not to have spare staff sat around just incase the odd divert turns up ?

It seems to make perfect sense to me as long as all involved have the staff they need to handle MAN's own traffic.
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Old 12th Dec 2013, 17:57
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'Pencilled in' as in maybe/perhaps/possibly.....hmmmm !!

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