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The 'decline' at MAN is mainly attributes to the cut in frequency, overall load factor is still good.
but I know the number of passengers that flew with BA between MAN and London's two largest airports went down with at least 11 740 passengers in April.
As for Little Red what do you want? Would you like BA and VS to compete against each other to their respective hubs at LHR or have no VS domestic at all? They're not in a position to make money on MAN-JFK so it's a good opportunity to keep Flying Club members happy, keep jobs in the UK (OK, Ireland for the moment) and keep BA on their toes.
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Wasn't the capacity cut allegedly more to do with a shortage of aircraft because of the 787 delivery delays? I guess in 12 months time if it hasn't returned to double daily then we will have the real answer, but for now I would say it isn't clear. It makes sense that QR prioritise routes to accommodate that shortage if MAN is (for example) their 10th most profitable route, but one of the top 9 also need an aircraft 4 days a week. Doesn't make MAN a poor performer, just means that they're having to juggle with fewer aircraft than expected for a period.
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but I know the number of passengers that flew with BA between MAN and London's two largest airports went down with at least 11 740 passengers in April.
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This post is nothing to do with capacity etc.....
It is about the CEO stating that he wants more pax to use our direct services than connect to same destination via London. Hence the fly local campaign. Is it not therefore somewhat barmy for somebody in marketing to execute the exact opposite of a strategy laid down at board level. ...or am I missing something.
It is about the CEO stating that he wants more pax to use our direct services than connect to same destination via London. Hence the fly local campaign. Is it not therefore somewhat barmy for somebody in marketing to execute the exact opposite of a strategy laid down at board level. ...or am I missing something.
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MAN lobbying time
Perhaps a more public campaign has started regarding the APD in place?
"It proposes an APD “holiday” on new long haul flights, which would mean the levy would not be applied to new services until they have been properly established.
That would help lure direct flights to far flung destinations like China, India and parts of the US to hubs like Manchester."
You wonder how they quantify "properly established".
Perhaps a more public campaign has started regarding the APD in place?
"It proposes an APD “holiday” on new long haul flights, which would mean the levy would not be applied to new services until they have been properly established.
That would help lure direct flights to far flung destinations like China, India and parts of the US to hubs like Manchester."
You wonder how they quantify "properly established".
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Not only that, if it managed to lure a hypothetical direct flight to China free of APD, it would mightily p*** off the likes of BA, KLM and LH whereby Manchester- China passengers have to change in London, Amsterdam or Munich at the moment.
EDIT: And I forgot the Middle East Carriers.
EDIT: And I forgot the Middle East Carriers.
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Not only that, if it managed to lure a hypothetical direct flight to China free of APD, it would mightily p*** off the likes of BA, KLM and LH whereby Manchester- China passengers have to change in London, Amsterdam or Munich at the moment.
The playing field needs to be reasonably level, MAN is one of the big boys now.
Bit like the Scottish Government Route Development "Fund".
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MAN may have something to learn from CPH?
http://www.cph.dk/NR/rdonlyres/86209...port_Nov12.pdf
http://www.cph.dk/NR/rdonlyres/86209...port_Nov12.pdf
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PK709 7700 LHE-MAN
PIA709 7700'ed over North Sea, circled near GOLES FL160 and now heading south towards STN, apparently Typhoons have been scrambled and a pax has refused to be identified 
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Manchester Bound Pakistan Flight Escorted in to Stansted by Typhoon Jets: BBC News
RAF Typhoon jets have been launched to investigate an incident involving a civilian aircraft within UK airspace, the Ministry of Defence has said.......
Story here...... Manchester Bound Pakistan Flight Escorted in to Stansted by Typhoon Jets: BBC News | The Airport Informer
Story here...... Manchester Bound Pakistan Flight Escorted in to Stansted by Typhoon Jets: BBC News | The Airport Informer
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Hearing on the grapevine that the Thomas Cook Group are on the verge of signing a deal with Oakland Airport, in the San Fransisco bay area for flights.
Its expected that Frankfurt, Stockholm and Manchester would gain flights to Oakland.
Flights are likely to start in 2014, and will be 2 weekly from each airport.
Its expected that Frankfurt, Stockholm and Manchester would gain flights to Oakland.
Flights are likely to start in 2014, and will be 2 weekly from each airport.
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Oakland
Just over the bay from SFO, we creep nearer to a true West Coast destination. Has been done before, though. Who remembers the Trans International (later Transamerica) B747-200s flying it for Jetsave in the early 1980s?
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It is about the CEO stating that he wants more pax to use our direct services than connect to same destination via London. Hence the fly local campaign. Is it not therefore somewhat barmy for somebody in marketing to execute the exact opposite of a strategy laid down at board level. ...or am I missing something.
Manchester Airport, the global gateway to and from Northern England, launches a ‘Fly Manchester’ campaign today to win back the four million passengers from its catchment area that currently travel by road/ rail to London airports when routes operate a short distance away in Manchester.
By the way, I've no idea how they came up with the "four million" passengers stat. Apparently it was CAA survey data, but that historically has always shown a very small number of people from the North West using road or rail to get to London. It was about half a million in the 2011 survey. Where do the other 3.5 million live?
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Does anyone know if Qatar will be flying the 787 on Sunday? I need to go to Doha for business and would like to fly it if possible. Last time i flew EY via AUH as the timetable was better for me with the overnight flight but i might fly during the day if i can go 787
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Few good flights in over the past and next few days.
Firstly Virgin used an A340-600 from New York for a charter on Saturday.
Jetair fly of Belgium had their whole long haul fleet at MAN, with one B767 based and the other operating cruise charters to Venice.
An Etihad flight from Chicago to Abu Dhabi diverted in this morning due to a Medical emergency. Aircraft was B777-300ER.
Aegean started their new 2 weekly Athens flight on Saturday, strengthening the Star Alliance presence at MAN.
Freebird started the first of their 4 new summer destinations on Friday.
Egyptair start their new 5 weekly Cairo flights this week, another Star Alliance carrier to the MAN fold.
TAP Portugal increase their flights to Lisbon. Flights are now 10 weekly using larger A320 and A321 aircraft. Yet another star alliance increase.
Antonov design bureau AN124 (beast of an aircraft) are also using MAN as a fuel and pilot rest stop again, the first arriving this evening and departing tomorrow.
American Airlines switch the much larger B767-300 on the Chicago flight in the next week.
Delta have switched to the A330-200 this weekend too, with the larger A330-300 already being used.
Lastly BA citiflyer have run a few flights this weekend to various destinations. All are a one off basis apart from MAN-Olbia which runs all summer every Saturday.
Not a bad little period at MAN
Firstly Virgin used an A340-600 from New York for a charter on Saturday.
Jetair fly of Belgium had their whole long haul fleet at MAN, with one B767 based and the other operating cruise charters to Venice.
An Etihad flight from Chicago to Abu Dhabi diverted in this morning due to a Medical emergency. Aircraft was B777-300ER.
Aegean started their new 2 weekly Athens flight on Saturday, strengthening the Star Alliance presence at MAN.
Freebird started the first of their 4 new summer destinations on Friday.
Egyptair start their new 5 weekly Cairo flights this week, another Star Alliance carrier to the MAN fold.
TAP Portugal increase their flights to Lisbon. Flights are now 10 weekly using larger A320 and A321 aircraft. Yet another star alliance increase.
Antonov design bureau AN124 (beast of an aircraft) are also using MAN as a fuel and pilot rest stop again, the first arriving this evening and departing tomorrow.
American Airlines switch the much larger B767-300 on the Chicago flight in the next week.
Delta have switched to the A330-200 this weekend too, with the larger A330-300 already being used.
Lastly BA citiflyer have run a few flights this weekend to various destinations. All are a one off basis apart from MAN-Olbia which runs all summer every Saturday.
Not a bad little period at MAN
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Very true Lax.....a great few days plus RAF L1011.
I think however I will go and drill through my cranium as quite a few people are still missing the bloody point !
As LAX points out re Aegean, new service this week !
It is THIS type of service and indeed any DIRECT /NEW flights that MAG should be promoting on Tweetter, certainly not Virginholidays to JFK via LHR, especially as we have direct flights to New York, and not when the CEO is so strident in criticism of using LHR when we have our own flights !
My God its hard work at times...........
I think however I will go and drill through my cranium as quite a few people are still missing the bloody point !
As LAX points out re Aegean, new service this week !
It is THIS type of service and indeed any DIRECT /NEW flights that MAG should be promoting on Tweetter, certainly not Virginholidays to JFK via LHR, especially as we have direct flights to New York, and not when the CEO is so strident in criticism of using LHR when we have our own flights !
My God its hard work at times...........
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Isn't the An-124 that arrived on Monday loading at MAN? I got told by a handler there that it was in from Ukraine and out to Russia... in which case it isn't a fuel & crew stop.
Don't have my records with me, but I'd be surprised if MAN was cheaper than other suitable "cargo" airports in the UK for techstops.... EMA, STN, PIK etc?
Don't have my records with me, but I'd be surprised if MAN was cheaper than other suitable "cargo" airports in the UK for techstops.... EMA, STN, PIK etc?