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Well, looks like MAG have taken the 'ump with the Davies Commission about STN
Stansted owner 'to challenge Airports Commission figures' - www.travelweekly.co.uk
Wonder whether the regional airport issues will come up too? Probably not is my guess as it will dilute the challenge.
Stansted owner 'to challenge Airports Commission figures' - www.travelweekly.co.uk
Wonder whether the regional airport issues will come up too? Probably not is my guess as it will dilute the challenge.
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"Wonder whether the regional airport issues will come up too? Probably not is my guess as it will dilute the challenge"
That could well be spot on Suzeman. Rightly or wrongly, MAG evidently decided that the Davies Commission was really about capacity in the SE, not the UK in general, and focused their efforts accordingly. It seems unlikely that will change, at least until any final decision about new runways is made.
As others have said, it was disappointing that having emphasised the importance of the O & D market and not just the hub concept, Davies didn't push harder the case to maximise capacity at airports outside the London area.
That could well be spot on Suzeman. Rightly or wrongly, MAG evidently decided that the Davies Commission was really about capacity in the SE, not the UK in general, and focused their efforts accordingly. It seems unlikely that will change, at least until any final decision about new runways is made.
As others have said, it was disappointing that having emphasised the importance of the O & D market and not just the hub concept, Davies didn't push harder the case to maximise capacity at airports outside the London area.
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Jackralston,
Yes well done MAN, hope that cheers people up .The Austrian A321 was perhaps the best and nice to see a BA 772 going in too.
However being completely biased.. BHX was the star, taking 24 airliners from LHR/LGW/LTN/BRS parking them on remotes and even taxiways.
With more wind due Fri might be a repeat
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Yes well done MAN, hope that cheers people up .The Austrian A321 was perhaps the best and nice to see a BA 772 going in too.
However being completely biased.. BHX was the star, taking 24 airliners from LHR/LGW/LTN/BRS parking them on remotes and even taxiways.
With more wind due Fri might be a repeat
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Yes Nigel, BHX did very well to accept all those diversions. But what's the secret - where do they find all the staff to handle them?
It was reported elsewhere that MAN had originally said earlier in the day they would only accept 2 wide bodies and 1 narrow body, so we did ok to take 10. Our problem isn't just scarce staff resources but lack of remote stands at times like this, and MAN won't normally use contact stands or taxiways nowadays apparently. Not sure where we parked them all last night.
It was reported elsewhere that MAN had originally said earlier in the day they would only accept 2 wide bodies and 1 narrow body, so we did ok to take 10. Our problem isn't just scarce staff resources but lack of remote stands at times like this, and MAN won't normally use contact stands or taxiways nowadays apparently. Not sure where we parked them all last night.
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Austrian now send an A321 to MAN every Saturday, and did so last year too, so not that rare here.
Tail strike remember - in fact 2 years to the day - OE-LBF
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Given airports like Birmingham and Liverpool etc would probably have less handling staff working with less scheduled flights it's madness how MAN handle operations in general. Diverted aircraft don't expect handling right away while passengers onboard in many cases expect to be waiting given the weather conditions. Most airports would be glad of the extra revenue from diversions and refusals by MAN to use contact stands is beyond belief. It gives a very bad reputation to the airport. Who are they expecting to full these spare stands?
Given airports like Birmingham and Liverpool etc would probably have less handling staff working with less scheduled flights it's madness how MAN handle operations in general. Diverted aircraft don't expect handling right away while passengers onboard in many cases expect to be waiting given the weather conditions. Most airports would be glad of the extra revenue from diversions and refusals by MAN to use contact stands is beyond belief. It gives a very bad reputation to the airport. Who are they expecting to full these spare stands?
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Didn't Manchester break an Austrian 321 a few winters back ?
Tail strike remember - in fact 2 years to the day - OE-LBF
Tail strike remember - in fact 2 years to the day - OE-LBF
and MAN won't normally use contact stands or taxiways nowadays apparently. Not sure where we parked them all last night
Our problem isn't just scarce staff resources but lack of remote stands at times like this
However, remotes were an issue too. The Jet2 static display team are in full swing, we have a flynas A320 taking up 1 stand, and a Saudi Cargo that was supposed to leave at 2100 didn't until 0530.
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I don't understand where all your wide bodied stands have gone at MAN..ok you have a couple of TOM 787, but similar number of TCX and MON A330s as few years ago. MON A300s gone (1 now at BHX) A few extra sched 330/77W .
However you used to get SQ,QF,SAA,Cathay,BA 747s and lots of other widebodies ,and still be able to handle 15-20 widebodied diverts ?
I really do not know about the staff in Brum. However BHX seems to have a totally different approach to diverts than a few years ago, when they would turn them away.
BHX sees them now as a revenue stream now, and will accept as many as it can get in.
Suppose the fact that its closer to LHR than MAN may help some as if they have to get passengers off and bus them to London we are 90 miles nearer ?.
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I don't understand where all your wide bodied stands have gone at MAN..ok you have a couple of TOM 787, but similar number of TCX and MON A330s as few years ago. MON A300s gone (1 now at BHX) A few extra sched 330/77W .
However you used to get SQ,QF,SAA,Cathay,BA 747s and lots of other widebodies ,and still be able to handle 15-20 widebodied diverts ?
I really do not know about the staff in Brum. However BHX seems to have a totally different approach to diverts than a few years ago, when they would turn them away.
BHX sees them now as a revenue stream now, and will accept as many as it can get in.
Suppose the fact that its closer to LHR than MAN may help some as if they have to get passengers off and bus them to London we are 90 miles nearer ?.
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I don't understand where all your wide bodied stands have gone at MAN..ok you have a couple of TOM 787, but similar number of TCX and MON A330s as few years ago. MON A300s gone (1 now at BHX) A few extra sched 330/77W
In terms of stands, the Jet2 parked up probably took up 7-is remote stands, we had a Saudi B747F that stayed longer than it should have, a Nas Air A320 was taking up one of the large aircraft remote stands awaiting its delivery flight today and the usual overnighting aircraft were already in.
That combined, with the diverts having no departure times, MAN had to keep its normal gates free for the morning rush, when SQ/EK/EY/DL/US and the likes were due. The Virgin A340 and BA B777 are still in MAN, so was a wise decision to leave stands free. There are not really any taxiways that could be used as parking as they only ones that could be closed without impacting the scheduled operation too much are the ones between 23L and 23R, and bussing across a live runway would probably leave the H&S brigade with a mild coronary!
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"a Nas Air A320 was taking up one of the large aircraft remote stands"
LAX-LHR & NIGEL
Thanks for your input again.
Years ago in this sort of situation, keeping a narrow body a/c occupying a w/b stand wouldn't have happened. Someone would have ensured it was moved. These days, there doesn't seem to be the staff or the will to do it, not to mention the question of cost and who pays.
Nigel, BHX seems happy to make money from the occasions when diversions occur. MAN prefers get assured income from car parking on an ongoing basis.
As an enthusiast I know which I would prefer. I believe no fewer than 12 aircraft stands are used for cars in the summer but we've got 5 of them back for the winter apparently. Can't remember how many of the 12 or the 5 are wide body capable.
"and still be able to handle 15-20 widebodied diverts ?"
Just looked through some old records, and on Sat. 8 Feb 1992, we accepted 22 wide bodied diversions between approx. 06.30 and 11.00. Fair to say we were pretty full! I think that morning was a record for w/b on the ground but stand to be corrected.
LAX-LHR & NIGEL
Thanks for your input again.
Years ago in this sort of situation, keeping a narrow body a/c occupying a w/b stand wouldn't have happened. Someone would have ensured it was moved. These days, there doesn't seem to be the staff or the will to do it, not to mention the question of cost and who pays.
Nigel, BHX seems happy to make money from the occasions when diversions occur. MAN prefers get assured income from car parking on an ongoing basis.
As an enthusiast I know which I would prefer. I believe no fewer than 12 aircraft stands are used for cars in the summer but we've got 5 of them back for the winter apparently. Can't remember how many of the 12 or the 5 are wide body capable.
"and still be able to handle 15-20 widebodied diverts ?"
Just looked through some old records, and on Sat. 8 Feb 1992, we accepted 22 wide bodied diversions between approx. 06.30 and 11.00. Fair to say we were pretty full! I think that morning was a record for w/b on the ground but stand to be corrected.
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Thanks LAX-LHR,MANFOD.
Take it you get all your stands back when this new surface car park is finished ?
Heres to a great 2014 at MAN and BHX.
Nigel
Take it you get all your stands back when this new surface car park is finished ?
Heres to a great 2014 at MAN and BHX.
Nigel
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Skipness, Only 5 of the 12 as far as I know, and just for the winter.
I think it's 71-74 and 85 possibly.
217-219 and the 4 stands in the 240s/250s remain car park.
Whether we'll get them back if and when the proposed new car park is ready, who knows.
We seem to manage this last summer without 12 stands, but problems could arise if there are major delays to the first wave of departures due ATC, bad weather, strikes etc. and the arrivals rush starts. I gather there isn't a lot of margin, and it doesn't exactly give a signal for growth ambitions as nobody appears to know of any immediate plans for terminal expansion either. If EZY or RYR do want to grow steadily at MAN, some infrastructure development may be required.
I think it's 71-74 and 85 possibly.
217-219 and the 4 stands in the 240s/250s remain car park.
Whether we'll get them back if and when the proposed new car park is ready, who knows.
We seem to manage this last summer without 12 stands, but problems could arise if there are major delays to the first wave of departures due ATC, bad weather, strikes etc. and the arrivals rush starts. I gather there isn't a lot of margin, and it doesn't exactly give a signal for growth ambitions as nobody appears to know of any immediate plans for terminal expansion either. If EZY or RYR do want to grow steadily at MAN, some infrastructure development may be required.
Is there any reason why the long term sitters couldn't be towed to park on 23L?
It's been used before for parked aircraft.
No need to coach pax across from there, just move the ones not scheduled to go anywhere.
It's been used before for parked aircraft.
No need to coach pax across from there, just move the ones not scheduled to go anywhere.
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According to another forum, Ryanair 8 based units in the internal systems and at least 3 new routes for Summer 2014.
Given the schedules allow for 6, I cant see 8 based coming to fruition as there would have to be some pretty hefty increases and a few new route. There was an allowance for 7 units a few weeks ago but 8, hmmm. Wouldnt want to be in the T3 rush if 8 do happen.
Given the schedules allow for 6, I cant see 8 based coming to fruition as there would have to be some pretty hefty increases and a few new route. There was an allowance for 7 units a few weeks ago but 8, hmmm. Wouldnt want to be in the T3 rush if 8 do happen.
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3 new routes were mentioned but it didn't specifically say only 3.
There could also be increased frequencies on some existing routes and perhaps less services with non-based a/c, so I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of 8 based a/c.
If it's right, there are serious questions though as to how T3 will cope, both in the terminal and for stands.
3 new routes were mentioned but it didn't specifically say only 3.
There could also be increased frequencies on some existing routes and perhaps less services with non-based a/c, so I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of 8 based a/c.
If it's right, there are serious questions though as to how T3 will cope, both in the terminal and for stands.