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Those who work at MAN or in the ground handling industry will know what it's like these days, and I think it's totally unfair to call the staff 'lazy'.
For MAN at least, over the past 18 months there has been HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS of staff laid off from the 3 main handling agents, despite the fact flights and passenger numbers have increased
Airlines are penny pinching and subsequently paying peanuts for their ground handling. I'm sorry, but no sympathy what-so-ever. If you as an airline are willing to give your business to a handling agent, who undercuts the others by 25%-40% then what the hell do you expect
Staff are being worked to the brink of death, not because they want to help out the companies or airlines, but because they don't want to leave their colleagues in the ****.
Something has to change but it wont...
For MAN at least, over the past 18 months there has been HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS of staff laid off from the 3 main handling agents, despite the fact flights and passenger numbers have increased
Airlines are penny pinching and subsequently paying peanuts for their ground handling. I'm sorry, but no sympathy what-so-ever. If you as an airline are willing to give your business to a handling agent, who undercuts the others by 25%-40% then what the hell do you expect
Staff are being worked to the brink of death, not because they want to help out the companies or airlines, but because they don't want to leave their colleagues in the ****.
Something has to change but it wont...
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"who undercuts the others by 25%-40% then what the hell do you expect"
Probably the ridiculous promises that the handling companies still promote....
As an airline being offered a stated and contractual level of service at a reduced price why would you not take it ?
Probably the ridiculous promises that the handling companies still promote....
As an airline being offered a stated and contractual level of service at a reduced price why would you not take it ?
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There has a phenomenal race to the bottom in terms and conditions in ground handling meaning meaning that motivated and able staff won't stay as the conditions are awful. BA and Midland used to self handle with staff who bought into the brand and had some judgement and latitude. Nowadays the market is so competitive that they simply dress third parties up in uniforms, pay them peanuts and don't allow them to stray one inch from their SLAs. Like cabin crew, it was a career choice for many, however newcomers to market without these legacy costs meant this was uncompetitive. Result everything outsourced, able and loyal people left and well you can see the results as Menzies, Servisair, Swissport and DNATA prostitute themselves ever lower.
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There has a phenomenal race to the bottom in terms and conditions in ground handling meaning meaning that motivated and able staff won't stay as the conditions are awful. BA and Midland used to self handle with staff who bought into the brand and had some judgement and latitude. Nowadays the market is so competitive that they simply dress third parties up in uniforms, pay them peanuts and don't allow them to stray one inch from their SLAs. Like cabin crew, it was a career choice for many, however newcomers to market without these legacy costs meant this was uncompetitive. Result everything outsourced, able and loyal people left and well you can see the results as Menzies, Servisair, Swissport and DNATA prostitute themselves ever lower.
No appreciation is given from the airline or handling agent to the staff, and the only time you'll be called into the office is when you've f#cked up.
This type of management just further reduces the levels of customer service given. Why would I push the boat out and try to accept a late pax when the only thing I'm letting myself in for is a bollocking when the flight pushes a minute or two late?
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The people truly responsible for this are us, the passenger. People have become accustomed to low cost prices however fail to realise that they are only sustainable with low cost services. But we won't accept a lesser service because we now live in a world where we want everything for nothing.
It isnt going to change and situations like this will continue to happen, because the airline wont pay more as it increased what they have to charge the customer and we dont want to pay more.
As you sow so shall you reap as they say.
It isnt going to change and situations like this will continue to happen, because the airline wont pay more as it increased what they have to charge the customer and we dont want to pay more.
As you sow so shall you reap as they say.
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Just had a quick look at the winter 13 schedules.
No drastic changes, but, changes are below, you never know, someone may be interested:
Lufthansa:
Frankfurt has A321 scheduled on the night stopper and early evening flights. A320 on the other 2 flights.
Munich has A320 scheduled on early evening flight instead of A319
Hamburg sees Germanwings take over the route, in just name only though as CRJ900 still used.
SAS:
Stockholm sees Blue1 operate the route on the B717 instead of SAS B737 series. Into the summer schedule, Blue1 continues to operate the morning flight, but SAS B737-700 scheduled on evening flight.
Flynonstop:
Still down to operate 2 weekly Kristiansand on Mon and Fri with E190 aircraft.
Air France:
A321 scheduled on afternoon and evening flights. A321 used quite extensively to MAN so nothing new really, however last winter saw A320 scheduled on all flights whereas A321 scheduled from the offset this winter.
TAP:
Decrease from their 10 weekly summer schedule, but, are at daily which is a higher frequency than last winter. Schedules seem to be quite erratic with A319/A320/A321 on different days from week to week. No F100 planned which is also an increase on last winter.
Aer Lingus:
Now at 6 daily, with A320 on 4 rotations, ATR72 on 2 rotations. Increase of 1 daily compared to summer, but, increase of up to 3 daily compared to last winter.
British Airways:
Heathrow is 11 daily Mon-Fri, with a fair number of A321 scheduled (default for MAN is usually A319/A320 combo and A321 used when loads permit)
No drastic changes, but, changes are below, you never know, someone may be interested:
Lufthansa:
Frankfurt has A321 scheduled on the night stopper and early evening flights. A320 on the other 2 flights.
Munich has A320 scheduled on early evening flight instead of A319
Hamburg sees Germanwings take over the route, in just name only though as CRJ900 still used.
SAS:
Stockholm sees Blue1 operate the route on the B717 instead of SAS B737 series. Into the summer schedule, Blue1 continues to operate the morning flight, but SAS B737-700 scheduled on evening flight.
Flynonstop:
Still down to operate 2 weekly Kristiansand on Mon and Fri with E190 aircraft.
Air France:
A321 scheduled on afternoon and evening flights. A321 used quite extensively to MAN so nothing new really, however last winter saw A320 scheduled on all flights whereas A321 scheduled from the offset this winter.
TAP:
Decrease from their 10 weekly summer schedule, but, are at daily which is a higher frequency than last winter. Schedules seem to be quite erratic with A319/A320/A321 on different days from week to week. No F100 planned which is also an increase on last winter.
Aer Lingus:
Now at 6 daily, with A320 on 4 rotations, ATR72 on 2 rotations. Increase of 1 daily compared to summer, but, increase of up to 3 daily compared to last winter.
British Airways:
Heathrow is 11 daily Mon-Fri, with a fair number of A321 scheduled (default for MAN is usually A319/A320 combo and A321 used when loads permit)
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Its looking like the B767-300 is staying on the Chicago route for the winter.
It was originally due to run until 27th October, then last week it was changed until 14th November, and yesterday was changed to 22nd November, so seems like each week in winter is being loaded as each week in summer passes.
It was originally due to run until 27th October, then last week it was changed until 14th November, and yesterday was changed to 22nd November, so seems like each week in winter is being loaded as each week in summer passes.
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Makes sense, the days of the transatlantic B757s are now numbered at AA. I think MAN-JFK may be the last one.
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New Tower
According to the Ops pages of MAGWorld the new tower will, subject to no LVP procedures being in place, become operational on 27th June at 0200 with a seamless transfer.
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Its looking like the B767-300 is staying on the Chicago route for the winter.
It was originally due to run until 27th October, then last week it was changed until 14th November, and yesterday was changed to 22nd November, so seems like each week in winter is being loaded as each week in summer passes.
It was originally due to run until 27th October, then last week it was changed until 14th November, and yesterday was changed to 22nd November, so seems like each week in winter is being loaded as each week in summer passes.
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Ek news?
Anyone in the know if EK will introduce a 4th daily flight or/and 2nd daily A380 someday in the near future?
Heard nothing new except rumours (which last some months/years now).
Heard nothing new except rumours (which last some months/years now).
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It seems that EK have decided against a 2nd A380 (EK19/20) for the time-being, as it was due to start Nov 1st, but, nothing announced and also the frame seems to have been allocated to BKK instead.
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I hear Manchester is closed at the moment. Aircraft are being held and two FR flights have already diverted to LPL. Any news on what the cause is? One rumour is that there was an engine failure on an Airbus during takeoff but has not been confirmed.
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TCX A330 had an uncontained engine failure by all accounts.
Aircraft either holding, diverting or using 23L for landing.
On an unrelated note, seems Thomson have pressed the B787 into service from MAN, as a TOM flight from PMI is operated by G-TUIB.
Aircraft either holding, diverting or using 23L for landing.
On an unrelated note, seems Thomson have pressed the B787 into service from MAN, as a TOM flight from PMI is operated by G-TUIB.