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I'm also drawn by this this comment in this article .......
"For their part supporting hotels, attractions, retailers and tour operators are
expected to make themselves ‘China-ready’ by providing information in Chinese and adapting their products for the market
"For their part supporting hotels, attractions, retailers and tour operators are
expected to make themselves ‘China-ready’ by providing information in Chinese and adapting their products for the market
MAN will apparently have Mandarin signage going up in T2 soon, and Im sure I had read that the Trafford Centre also has Manadarin signage in place already.
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Found this link from another site, if it copies correctly.
Andrew Cowan is chief operating officer of Manchester Airports Group - men newsdesk - Manchester Evening News
Andrew Cowan refers to some of the issues re longer queues etc. and quite rightly makes great play of the new CX only direct non-stop schedule service to China outside London. Interestingly, there is no comment about an anticipated service to mainland China being announced shortly, but perhaps we shouldn't read too much into that.
Andrew Cowan is chief operating officer of Manchester Airports Group - men newsdesk - Manchester Evening News
Andrew Cowan refers to some of the issues re longer queues etc. and quite rightly makes great play of the new CX only direct non-stop schedule service to China outside London. Interestingly, there is no comment about an anticipated service to mainland China being announced shortly, but perhaps we shouldn't read too much into that.
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MAN will apparently have Mandarin signage going up in T2 soon, and Im sure I had read that the Trafford Centre also has Manadarin signage in place already.
Mandarin China Chinese tourists spending more in Manchester shops - Manchester Evening News
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I think most will agree that Hong Kong, for all intents and purposes, and aside from a few administerial exceptions, is part of China.
Otherwise its, a bit like saying Jersey is not part of the UK.
Otherwise its, a bit like saying Jersey is not part of the UK.
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Having lived there I can categorically say that Hong Kong definitely is not part of china (yet). So yes it is exactly like Jersey which is definitely not part of the United Kingdom.
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I have to agree with Gorter. HK is not part of China fully, as he says yet. It is important that you look out for these little anomalies as I find the Chinese get very prickly over what they would see as over simplification by an ex colonial power. I also lived there and indeed still keep a company flat, so am aware of HK unique status within China.
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I have to agree with Gorter. HK is not part of China fully, as he says yet. It is important that you look out for these little anomalies as I find the Chinese get very prickly over what they would see as over simplification by an ex colonial power. I also lived there and indeed still keep a company flat, so am aware of HK unique status within China.
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Well fair enough.
It seems a population of 97% of mandarin speakers and being at least regonised as a special administrative region in China and being just off the Chinese coast is not enough for some people to consider it Chinese.
Ah well.
It seems a population of 97% of mandarin speakers and being at least regonised as a special administrative region in China and being just off the Chinese coast is not enough for some people to consider it Chinese.
Ah well.
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Otherwise its, a bit like saying Jersey is not part of the UK.
Hong Kong is a Chinese territory but is seperate administrative region from the mainland. Even the civil registrations remain non numerical, and travel between the two is not straightforward.
It's not a difficult detail to grasp surely? Hong Kong is of course not part of this ******* bilateral which in terms of aviation and geopolitics is a guide.
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On 1 July 1997, Hong Kong became the first Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China, under the principle of "one country, two systems" (the other, Macau, attained that status in December 1999). It has a different political system from mainland China but it is part of the mainland.
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I think we are swishing about in a bit of froth here !
The point is Manchester has to be as pro active encouraging Chinese or Hong Kongers to Manchester as they are sending passengers from the North to the East !
Signage in T2 welcome,
Trafford Centre clearly somebody there is switched on
VisitManchester pamphlet excellent
But quite frankly this is barely scratching the surface and not nearly enough momentum...
One organisation s/b leading this charge and engaging MUFC, Football Museum. Cheshire Oaks, Chatsworth, Beatles Museum
and would you believe Southport/ Llandundo...
The Chinese are absolutely fascinated by our traditional seaside destinations ....
it does not float my boat but IF that is what they want engage NOW!
Little point the airport suggesting the Manchester catchment is 90 minutes wide without providing some guidance to join up the dots !
The point is Manchester has to be as pro active encouraging Chinese or Hong Kongers to Manchester as they are sending passengers from the North to the East !
Signage in T2 welcome,
Trafford Centre clearly somebody there is switched on
VisitManchester pamphlet excellent
But quite frankly this is barely scratching the surface and not nearly enough momentum...
One organisation s/b leading this charge and engaging MUFC, Football Museum. Cheshire Oaks, Chatsworth, Beatles Museum
and would you believe Southport/ Llandundo...
The Chinese are absolutely fascinated by our traditional seaside destinations ....
it does not float my boat but IF that is what they want engage NOW!
Little point the airport suggesting the Manchester catchment is 90 minutes wide without providing some guidance to join up the dots !
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On 1 July 1997, Hong Kong became the first Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China, under the principle of "one country, two systems" (the other, Macau, attained that status in December 1999). It has a different political system from mainland China but it is part of the mainland.
And Hong Kong is covered by a separate bilateral than the one for the rest of China.
Indeed it is but that is separate from the discussion over whether it was part of China.
Travel between China mainland and the two SARs and between the two SARs is not classed as domestic, passports are needed.
Perhaps a better analogy is the UK and its self-governing overseas territories (e.g. Bermuda, Cayman Islands, etc.).
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It's not a difficult detail to grasp surely?
Or is the clue 'special administrative region of China', with special attention to the China bit not quite clear enough?
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So when you said you blocked me��, that wasn't true either. Look mate you thought Jersey was in the UK so maybe, just maybe you're not the gospel of truth. As has been pointed out to you, Hong Kong is a special case and sits outside the current bilateral, it's not a part of the mainland, has it's own government, civil registrations, de facto flag carrier, residency rules and so forth.
It's a Chinese territory but in terms of what everyone is on about here, set apart and different. As I said, not rocket science. Oh dear me.....
How's that new rumoured long haul from Delta to DTW you promised me? Bookable yet?
It's a Chinese territory but in terms of what everyone is on about here, set apart and different. As I said, not rocket science. Oh dear me.....
How's that new rumoured long haul from Delta to DTW you promised me? Bookable yet?
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Secret Gatwick dossier to target Heathrow expansion left on train | News | Travel Trade Gazette
One can only dream that "Manchester" employed similar strategies. Not in a one to one fight with Heathrow but simply to enhance its own position.
What about ...
"lobbying gold, silver and bronze opinion formers across The North to enhance the Manchester proposition as long haul gateway to The North"
"drawing up a “target’ list of politicians, civil servants, business leaders and environmentalists whose opinion could influence
encouraging them to speak out in favour of Manchester"
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Maybe these terms should be on the job spec' of the person employed as "AVIATION MARKETING BUSINESS PARTNER" which ironically appeared at the side sametime ?
"Ultimately, it's about delivering low cost carrier and charter tactical and strategic sales and marketing plans on budget, using multi-channel campaigns via both travel trade and consumer channels""
REALLY ?
What about generating a sales and marketing plan to capture more scheduled long haul passengers ?
....or are we reduced to chasing the family of four off to Palma who need to a) park at the airport , b) spend some money on breakfast, magazines, and
sweets ?
"Developing insight into local catchment areas",
How local is local ?
You cannot possibly have the same approach at Bournemouth and Manchester ?
Manchester supposedly encompasses Barrow to Middlesborough and across to Skegness and all points in between certainly in terms of direct long haul.
That terminology looks very,very "regional" to me at least.
"you'll work alongside CRM, Digital and PR colleagues to provide a fully integrated service that promotes other M.A.G products" I guess that means even more tweets for parking and breakfasts".
Nothing wrong with all this of course but where is the focus on long haul ?
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Maybe of course there is an Aviation Business Partner for long haul as well ?
Given Flynas, reduction in US services over Winter, absence of some Caribbean routes and seemingly no increase by Rouge perhaps some emphasis on long haul would not go amiss.
One can only dream that "Manchester" employed similar strategies. Not in a one to one fight with Heathrow but simply to enhance its own position.
What about ...
"lobbying gold, silver and bronze opinion formers across The North to enhance the Manchester proposition as long haul gateway to The North"
"drawing up a “target’ list of politicians, civil servants, business leaders and environmentalists whose opinion could influence
encouraging them to speak out in favour of Manchester"
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Maybe these terms should be on the job spec' of the person employed as "AVIATION MARKETING BUSINESS PARTNER" which ironically appeared at the side sametime ?
"Ultimately, it's about delivering low cost carrier and charter tactical and strategic sales and marketing plans on budget, using multi-channel campaigns via both travel trade and consumer channels""
REALLY ?
What about generating a sales and marketing plan to capture more scheduled long haul passengers ?
....or are we reduced to chasing the family of four off to Palma who need to a) park at the airport , b) spend some money on breakfast, magazines, and
sweets ?
"Developing insight into local catchment areas",
How local is local ?
You cannot possibly have the same approach at Bournemouth and Manchester ?
Manchester supposedly encompasses Barrow to Middlesborough and across to Skegness and all points in between certainly in terms of direct long haul.
That terminology looks very,very "regional" to me at least.
"you'll work alongside CRM, Digital and PR colleagues to provide a fully integrated service that promotes other M.A.G products" I guess that means even more tweets for parking and breakfasts".
Nothing wrong with all this of course but where is the focus on long haul ?
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Maybe of course there is an Aviation Business Partner for long haul as well ?
Given Flynas, reduction in US services over Winter, absence of some Caribbean routes and seemingly no increase by Rouge perhaps some emphasis on long haul would not go amiss.
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Bagso
As an outsider (though by your / Manchester airports definition) almost certainly in the Manchester airport catchment area, I read this thread with interest.
I think in this one line you sum up exactly the job of the airport company which (even with Manchester which skillfully sidestepped government attempts to privatise airports by setting up an arms length "private" offshoot from local goverment) is to maximise it's revenue stream through just about any activity apart from handling aircraft. Hence the enormous shopping malls, rip of charges for parking, trolleys, express security lanes etc etc. this especially since the cheap carriers, headed by Ryanair don't believe it's their job to pay for the services that their aircraft use!
Manchester Airport's management is not there to promote tourism, nor is it there to promote commerce in the Northwest. There are bodies, such as the tourism organisations and chambers of commerce along with politicians that do that. It is there to provide a service to those passengers and cargo that have been attracted by the outside bodies.
It is however there to offer it's wares (the airport and it's facilities) to it's customers (the airlines) so it will primarily be employing sales sales and marketing efforts to these areas - something it does really well in my opinion!
It doesn't matter how often you repeat the same opinions (and the same arguments are recycled day in day out here) since airports are now run as businesses, to make money, rather than as arms of local govenrment this is the way it is. Same as at BHX, NCL, BRS, etc etc.
or are we now really just chasing the family of for off to Palma who need to park at the airport , and spend some money on breakfast, magazines, and sweets ?
I think in this one line you sum up exactly the job of the airport company which (even with Manchester which skillfully sidestepped government attempts to privatise airports by setting up an arms length "private" offshoot from local goverment) is to maximise it's revenue stream through just about any activity apart from handling aircraft. Hence the enormous shopping malls, rip of charges for parking, trolleys, express security lanes etc etc. this especially since the cheap carriers, headed by Ryanair don't believe it's their job to pay for the services that their aircraft use!
Manchester Airport's management is not there to promote tourism, nor is it there to promote commerce in the Northwest. There are bodies, such as the tourism organisations and chambers of commerce along with politicians that do that. It is there to provide a service to those passengers and cargo that have been attracted by the outside bodies.
It is however there to offer it's wares (the airport and it's facilities) to it's customers (the airlines) so it will primarily be employing sales sales and marketing efforts to these areas - something it does really well in my opinion!
It doesn't matter how often you repeat the same opinions (and the same arguments are recycled day in day out here) since airports are now run as businesses, to make money, rather than as arms of local govenrment this is the way it is. Same as at BHX, NCL, BRS, etc etc.
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Assuming you are in Nottingham , you are by MAGs own figures "IN" the Manchester catchment area.
I think in this one line you sum up exactly the job of the airport company "to maximise it's revenue stream"
Absolutely which bit did you not read that stipulated this ?
Manchester Airport's management is not there to promote tourism, nor is it there to promote commerce in the Northwest. There are bodies, such as the tourism organisations and chambers of commerce along with politicians that do that.
So what you are actually saying is that it should work in isolation, well some evidence suggest it does !
It isn't the total picture granted.... BUT it is fragmented !
The Manchester China Forum has some heavyweight players MAG is definitely leading the charge here, but many tourist organisations by way of example are missing, is that not trade, there membership should be a given, should it not, many of the Norths major hotel chains are also missing !
I could name many many others .....
The India forum last week 40 plus organisations from the NWest but no reference to Manchester Airport actually being there, maybe they were but there profile was hardly prominent....
....maybe we trade with India by using taxi or even train as opposed to plane ?
It is however there to offer it's wares (the airport and it's facilities) to it's customers (the airlines) so it will primarily be employing sales sales and marketing efforts to these areas - something it does really well in my opinion!
IT DOES, I have said as much on numerous occasions !
"It doesn't matter how often you repeat the same opinions ...."
I was referencing the advert by way of strategy, I was merely stating whether this position was all encompassing ?
The focus here is very much on one area as evidenced by this advert, in fairness I did ask whether this is one position specifically aimed at looking after Lo cost / charter?
I then inquired as to whether there is another looking after scheduled.....
It is not regurgitating the same old it is in my view a valid observation based on new information ie an advert stating a very specific strategy !
If the position is looking after one channel then great.
If the focus excludes sched passengers and more specifically long haul it is a legitimate concern !
Assuming you are in Nottingham , you are by MAGs own figures "IN" the Manchester catchment area.
I think in this one line you sum up exactly the job of the airport company "to maximise it's revenue stream"
Absolutely which bit did you not read that stipulated this ?
Manchester Airport's management is not there to promote tourism, nor is it there to promote commerce in the Northwest. There are bodies, such as the tourism organisations and chambers of commerce along with politicians that do that.
So what you are actually saying is that it should work in isolation, well some evidence suggest it does !
It isn't the total picture granted.... BUT it is fragmented !
The Manchester China Forum has some heavyweight players MAG is definitely leading the charge here, but many tourist organisations by way of example are missing, is that not trade, there membership should be a given, should it not, many of the Norths major hotel chains are also missing !
I could name many many others .....
The India forum last week 40 plus organisations from the NWest but no reference to Manchester Airport actually being there, maybe they were but there profile was hardly prominent....
....maybe we trade with India by using taxi or even train as opposed to plane ?
It is however there to offer it's wares (the airport and it's facilities) to it's customers (the airlines) so it will primarily be employing sales sales and marketing efforts to these areas - something it does really well in my opinion!
IT DOES, I have said as much on numerous occasions !
"It doesn't matter how often you repeat the same opinions ...."
I was referencing the advert by way of strategy, I was merely stating whether this position was all encompassing ?
The focus here is very much on one area as evidenced by this advert, in fairness I did ask whether this is one position specifically aimed at looking after Lo cost / charter?
I then inquired as to whether there is another looking after scheduled.....
It is not regurgitating the same old it is in my view a valid observation based on new information ie an advert stating a very specific strategy !
If the position is looking after one channel then great.
If the focus excludes sched passengers and more specifically long haul it is a legitimate concern !
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Aaaand, once again Skipness takes issue with what I have posted. How original, didn't see that coming at all! 
While the terminology I used may have been wrong, my point was its part of the British Isles, and about as British as London, so, generally considered part of Britain. British Pound, domestic flights etc.
Ive highlighted the first bit, as you finally admitted to what I have been getting at all along. Its a Chinese territory, end of. Like you say, not rocket science so glad you've finally come around.
I was going to block you but wanted to see if there was any chance of you settling down. Evidently Ive obviously done something to you as you seem to take issue with pretty much anything I post, so, given there is no hope of a civil exchange from you, you are now firmly on the block list.
Have a good day now Mr Skip.
Look mate you thought Jersey was in the UK
It's a Chinese territory but in terms of what everyone is on about here, set
apart and different. As I said, not rocket science. Oh dear me.....
apart and different. As I said, not rocket science. Oh dear me.....
So when you said you blocked me��, that wasn't true either
Have a good day now Mr Skip.
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