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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 06:36
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I'm now sitting in New York, very glad the 6:45am flight made it out of SEN to Dublin
very impressed with the experience.
Think you would have a different view if you was intending to leave today

EI3301 DUBLIN 06:45 CANCELLED
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 09:05
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London City have 21 arrivals & 28 departures cancelled or diverted so far today so they are also doomed to that great airport in the sky as well as SEN if we are to listen LTNman.
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 09:34
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To save you reading my post 1128 here it is for you

Remember it is not the end of the world, fog does not seem to harm London City.
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 09:58
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Is it legal for a Cat 3 ILS to be operated on the narrow runway at Southend?
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 10:28
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No, not possible. It will always be a CAT 1 runway.

Airbus, in conjunction with easyJet, have some interesting ideas and I understand they plan to do some test flying at JER in this connection.
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That is a good point about the runway width.
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 11:31
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In theory I suppose it should be possible to certificate the A319 for autoland on a 37m runway.but I imagine the approval process could be long and expensive. The sort of issue that might need to be considered could be unintended autopilot disconnect during rollout in crosswind conditions. Perhaps if such approval were ever to be obtained the Cat 3 limits would be higher than for a standard width runway.

The turboprops generally can operate to Cat 2 with manual landing so it might be argued the width of the runway is irrelevant to them. Cat 2 would enable landings in (say) 350-400m RVR. UK fogs usually seem to stabilise at a figure lower than that, but it would still be much better for the turboprops than Cat 1.

There may be other issues additional to the runway width why Cat 2/3 at SEN may not be practicable. For example, approach lighting would need to be upgraded. Supplementary approach lighting and touchdown zone lighting would need to be installed. The regulations appear to state that nowadays in the UK the Cat 2 and 3 lighting requirements are the same. Would site limitations permit this at SEN ?

Stobarts have not been exactly shy of investing in quality equipment so I imagine they must have examined this issue. The runway extension work would have offered the obvious opportunity to install TDZ lighting as a provision for the future. I would guess they concluded that Cat 2/3 was not economically viable or simply not practicable.

Incidentally on the subject of running costs I am given to understand it is the power requirements of operating the Cat 2/3 lighting that is the major incremental expense.
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 16:34
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If the runway was the standard width would that church that is close to the runway also stop CAT 3 ops?
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 16:44
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I expect it would be a consideration, though I don't know enough about the detail of the regulations to say with any certainty.
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 16:46
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with the church being so close to the runway why cant they extend the width on the other side plenty of green field space?wouldnt that take the planes further away from the church
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It would marginally yes, but then what chances are there of Southend being able to widen the runway any time soon?

As doing that would move the location of the centre line (whilst widening an equal width at both sides would not) it would probably involve complex changes to ILS and another navaid systems, as well as the relocation od approach lights and runway lighting itself. It would be a lot of hassle just to have the runway that little bit wider!

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Old 24th Oct 2012, 10:44
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Maastricht Airlines

According to this website, another new Dutch airline will be founded, Maastricht Airlines. Flights should start in January 2013, initially from Maastricht to Amsterdam, Berlin SXF, Munich and Paris CDG. From 2014, SEN and Copenhagen will be added. Flights operated by Fokker 50's.

Found via mst-aviation.nl

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Old 24th Oct 2012, 15:29
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Yesterday about 5 Easyjet A319 arrived within 15 minutes! that must have been a good sight at the terminal this morning!
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Old 24th Oct 2012, 16:26
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The next phase of the terminal extension should start sometime in the next month the 1st phase will be the new arrivals area which should be completed by May 2013 & the final phase for the rest of the terminal should be completed prior to Christmas 2013.
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Old 24th Oct 2012, 18:09
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Expansion

Southend Airport announces £10million terminal expansion (From Echo)
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Old 24th Oct 2012, 19:33
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Find it hard to believe that it will take to the year 2020 to reach 2 million passengers. Southend should reach that figure long before that date.
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Old 24th Oct 2012, 19:37
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Yes but two arrived empty after positioning in from STN.
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Old 25th Oct 2012, 09:29
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Maastricht Airlines

According to this website, another new Dutch airline will be founded, Maastricht Airlines. Flights should start in January 2013, initially from Maastricht to Amsterdam, Berlin SXF, Munich and Paris CDG. From 2014, SEN and Copenhagen will be added. Flights operated by Fokker 50's.
When I first saw this I thought here we go again with another Europort Express paper airline, but this seems to have more substance. An internet search shows that Hamid Kerboua was one of the founders of Denim Air, owner of Flyport International (a modular passenger terminal firm) and K'Air. Maastricht to SEN would work well, I think, especially with F50 size equipment. Let's hope they plan their start of schedules rather better than OLT Express did!!
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Old 25th Oct 2012, 09:32
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A quote from the SEN website below. Does the second paragraph infer an increase in EZY based aircraft?


The terminal building will become 90 metres longer. The number of check in desks / baggage drop off points will increase, as will the amount of space for passengers in security. The Departure Lounge will grow in size to enhance the experience for passengers relaxing and awaiting boarding after security. A larger Arrivals area will have enhanced baggage reclaim facilities and a larger immigration area. Retail and catering facilities will be expanded throughout the terminal in order to provide a much wider range of shops and services available to passengers.

The 300 new jobs will arise from the increase in Southend based aircraft over time which will result in a variety of additional operational and service roles such as passenger service, security, retail, catering, baggage handling, engineering and maintenance, plus airline crew from London Southend based airline operations.
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Old 25th Oct 2012, 09:47
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Barling Magna,

Until they retired the fleet KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, with all their marketing, could only justify a F50 on the RTM/LHR/RTM route.

Maastricht ain't a Rotterdam and SEN ain't a Heathrow!
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