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I'm now sitting in New York, very glad the 6:45am flight made it out of SEN to Dublin
very impressed with the experience.
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London City have 21 arrivals & 28 departures cancelled or diverted so far today so they are also doomed to that great airport in the sky as well as SEN if we are to listen LTNman.
No, not possible. It will always be a CAT 1 runway.
Airbus, in conjunction with easyJet, have some interesting ideas and I understand they plan to do some test flying at JER in this connection.
Airbus, in conjunction with easyJet, have some interesting ideas and I understand they plan to do some test flying at JER in this connection.
In theory I suppose it should be possible to certificate the A319 for autoland on a 37m runway.but I imagine the approval process could be long and expensive. The sort of issue that might need to be considered could be unintended autopilot disconnect during rollout in crosswind conditions. Perhaps if such approval were ever to be obtained the Cat 3 limits would be higher than for a standard width runway.
The turboprops generally can operate to Cat 2 with manual landing so it might be argued the width of the runway is irrelevant to them. Cat 2 would enable landings in (say) 350-400m RVR. UK fogs usually seem to stabilise at a figure lower than that, but it would still be much better for the turboprops than Cat 1.
There may be other issues additional to the runway width why Cat 2/3 at SEN may not be practicable. For example, approach lighting would need to be upgraded. Supplementary approach lighting and touchdown zone lighting would need to be installed. The regulations appear to state that nowadays in the UK the Cat 2 and 3 lighting requirements are the same. Would site limitations permit this at SEN ?
Stobarts have not been exactly shy of investing in quality equipment so I imagine they must have examined this issue. The runway extension work would have offered the obvious opportunity to install TDZ lighting as a provision for the future. I would guess they concluded that Cat 2/3 was not economically viable or simply not practicable.
Incidentally on the subject of running costs I am given to understand it is the power requirements of operating the Cat 2/3 lighting that is the major incremental expense.
The turboprops generally can operate to Cat 2 with manual landing so it might be argued the width of the runway is irrelevant to them. Cat 2 would enable landings in (say) 350-400m RVR. UK fogs usually seem to stabilise at a figure lower than that, but it would still be much better for the turboprops than Cat 1.
There may be other issues additional to the runway width why Cat 2/3 at SEN may not be practicable. For example, approach lighting would need to be upgraded. Supplementary approach lighting and touchdown zone lighting would need to be installed. The regulations appear to state that nowadays in the UK the Cat 2 and 3 lighting requirements are the same. Would site limitations permit this at SEN ?
Stobarts have not been exactly shy of investing in quality equipment so I imagine they must have examined this issue. The runway extension work would have offered the obvious opportunity to install TDZ lighting as a provision for the future. I would guess they concluded that Cat 2/3 was not economically viable or simply not practicable.
Incidentally on the subject of running costs I am given to understand it is the power requirements of operating the Cat 2/3 lighting that is the major incremental expense.
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with the church being so close to the runway why cant they extend the width on the other side plenty of green field space?wouldnt that take the planes further away from the church
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It would marginally yes, but then what chances are there of Southend being able to widen the runway any time soon?
As doing that would move the location of the centre line (whilst widening an equal width at both sides would not) it would probably involve complex changes to ILS and another navaid systems, as well as the relocation od approach lights and runway lighting itself. It would be a lot of hassle just to have the runway that little bit wider!
As doing that would move the location of the centre line (whilst widening an equal width at both sides would not) it would probably involve complex changes to ILS and another navaid systems, as well as the relocation od approach lights and runway lighting itself. It would be a lot of hassle just to have the runway that little bit wider!
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Maastricht Airlines
According to this website, another new Dutch airline will be founded, Maastricht Airlines. Flights should start in January 2013, initially from Maastricht to Amsterdam, Berlin SXF, Munich and Paris CDG. From 2014, SEN and Copenhagen will be added. Flights operated by Fokker 50's.
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According to this website, another new Dutch airline will be founded, Maastricht Airlines. Flights should start in January 2013, initially from Maastricht to Amsterdam, Berlin SXF, Munich and Paris CDG. From 2014, SEN and Copenhagen will be added. Flights operated by Fokker 50's.
Found via mst-aviation.nl
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The next phase of the terminal extension should start sometime in the next month the 1st phase will be the new arrivals area which should be completed by May 2013 & the final phase for the rest of the terminal should be completed prior to Christmas 2013.
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Maastricht Airlines
According to this website, another new Dutch airline will be founded, Maastricht Airlines. Flights should start in January 2013, initially from Maastricht to Amsterdam, Berlin SXF, Munich and Paris CDG. From 2014, SEN and Copenhagen will be added. Flights operated by Fokker 50's.
According to this website, another new Dutch airline will be founded, Maastricht Airlines. Flights should start in January 2013, initially from Maastricht to Amsterdam, Berlin SXF, Munich and Paris CDG. From 2014, SEN and Copenhagen will be added. Flights operated by Fokker 50's.
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A quote from the SEN website below. Does the second paragraph infer an increase in EZY based aircraft?
The terminal building will become 90 metres longer. The number of check in desks / baggage drop off points will increase, as will the amount of space for passengers in security. The Departure Lounge will grow in size to enhance the experience for passengers relaxing and awaiting boarding after security. A larger Arrivals area will have enhanced baggage reclaim facilities and a larger immigration area. Retail and catering facilities will be expanded throughout the terminal in order to provide a much wider range of shops and services available to passengers.
The 300 new jobs will arise from the increase in Southend based aircraft over time which will result in a variety of additional operational and service roles such as passenger service, security, retail, catering, baggage handling, engineering and maintenance, plus airline crew from London Southend based airline operations.
The terminal building will become 90 metres longer. The number of check in desks / baggage drop off points will increase, as will the amount of space for passengers in security. The Departure Lounge will grow in size to enhance the experience for passengers relaxing and awaiting boarding after security. A larger Arrivals area will have enhanced baggage reclaim facilities and a larger immigration area. Retail and catering facilities will be expanded throughout the terminal in order to provide a much wider range of shops and services available to passengers.
The 300 new jobs will arise from the increase in Southend based aircraft over time which will result in a variety of additional operational and service roles such as passenger service, security, retail, catering, baggage handling, engineering and maintenance, plus airline crew from London Southend based airline operations.
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Barling Magna,
Until they retired the fleet KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, with all their marketing, could only justify a F50 on the RTM/LHR/RTM route.
Maastricht ain't a Rotterdam and SEN ain't a Heathrow!
Until they retired the fleet KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, with all their marketing, could only justify a F50 on the RTM/LHR/RTM route.
Maastricht ain't a Rotterdam and SEN ain't a Heathrow!