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Something I have been pondering for a spell is to wonder why Prestwick is so popular with the military whilst Newquay is scarcely used for transatlantic flights yet some time ago in the good ole days of RAF St.Mawgan I recall seeing three USN C-9s there on one occasion en route to St. Johns and seemingly the distance is virtually the same as using Prestwick.
When the local authority get involved with taxpayers money, theres' a lot more process and lot less flexibility. Oh and PIK has a lot of pilots with golfclubs as baggage.
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It's not good to assume, GROUNDHOG. All you need to know is that it is in my direct interest, along with alot of people I know that the airport remains open.
As for paying for it out of your pocket, how does that work then? Does it work in the same way that you are paying for all the idle layabouts that don't work? The same way you're paying for the all the benefit cheats, the £m's of aid given away to foreign countries, the inept way the NHS is run, the list goes on. You're no more paying for it out of your pocket than some guy in Cumbria is paying for it. You're also paying for a myriad of things that this government shouldn't be paying for but you choose to single out the airport. It goes alot deeper than subsidies, this is people's livelihoods and families you are dealing with, and if the airport closes it is those people on the sh** end of the stick that will be affected the most.
Expand the terminal further and create a £10m loss? Where did this little gem come from? The airport terminal is plenty big enough for the flights it handles and is nowhere near at full capacity. To answer your question I'd rather than losses didn't get any bigger and that they do everything they can to mitigate them and grow the business so that people's livelihoods are secure. They can make a start by ensuring the CEO doesn't give himself another massive payrise.
As for paying for it out of your pocket, how does that work then? Does it work in the same way that you are paying for all the idle layabouts that don't work? The same way you're paying for the all the benefit cheats, the £m's of aid given away to foreign countries, the inept way the NHS is run, the list goes on. You're no more paying for it out of your pocket than some guy in Cumbria is paying for it. You're also paying for a myriad of things that this government shouldn't be paying for but you choose to single out the airport. It goes alot deeper than subsidies, this is people's livelihoods and families you are dealing with, and if the airport closes it is those people on the sh** end of the stick that will be affected the most.
Expand the terminal further and create a £10m loss? Where did this little gem come from? The airport terminal is plenty big enough for the flights it handles and is nowhere near at full capacity. To answer your question I'd rather than losses didn't get any bigger and that they do everything they can to mitigate them and grow the business so that people's livelihoods are secure. They can make a start by ensuring the CEO doesn't give himself another massive payrise.
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Deano - Why the personal attack, my 'assumption' was more of a rhetorical question, which you feel you could not answer in an open forum, sorry I forgot to put a question mark at the end of it.
Yes you are exactly right that is precisely how it works, for me, for you and for the man in Cumbria, so if I see £3 million a year being spent inefficiently of course I am going to question it? CCC is the elected representative of the Cornish people, voted for by us, my level of Council Tax is set by them and if there is £3m to be spent in a better way so much the better.
Do not try to lecture me on livelihoods please or the responsibility of employees or starting and running companies, I have the T shirt, the sleepless nights etc, thanks.
Why would I want to see Newquay fail? I would love to see three flights a day to Heathrow again and a million people a year flying in and out of the place but we have to be realistic. If I could use it more I would.
Bottom line is that we want the same thing, we both want to protect our interests in having a productive facility but the question to be answered is how to do it?
Re the question about the airport CEO, I am sure he is worth every penny of his salary and bonuses. My question might be, do you really need Christiano Ronaldo as striker for the village football team? Having carried out due diligence on many companies over the years I have yet to meet one that could not make great savings when viewed objectively. I would happily do this at no charge to CCC, just pay the team 10% of the amount we save in the first year - my Mercedes is a couple of years old now so due for a change.
Yes you are exactly right that is precisely how it works, for me, for you and for the man in Cumbria, so if I see £3 million a year being spent inefficiently of course I am going to question it? CCC is the elected representative of the Cornish people, voted for by us, my level of Council Tax is set by them and if there is £3m to be spent in a better way so much the better.
Do not try to lecture me on livelihoods please or the responsibility of employees or starting and running companies, I have the T shirt, the sleepless nights etc, thanks.
Why would I want to see Newquay fail? I would love to see three flights a day to Heathrow again and a million people a year flying in and out of the place but we have to be realistic. If I could use it more I would.
Bottom line is that we want the same thing, we both want to protect our interests in having a productive facility but the question to be answered is how to do it?
Re the question about the airport CEO, I am sure he is worth every penny of his salary and bonuses. My question might be, do you really need Christiano Ronaldo as striker for the village football team? Having carried out due diligence on many companies over the years I have yet to meet one that could not make great savings when viewed objectively. I would happily do this at no charge to CCC, just pay the team 10% of the amount we save in the first year - my Mercedes is a couple of years old now so due for a change.
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There was no personal attack? Not that I can see anyway. You said it isn't being paid for out of my pocket, but it actually is just as much my pocket as yours.
Why should I post any of my personal details on here for all and sundry to see?
You do seem to add in extra snippets for me, like lecturing you on starting up & running companies. But how do you know I'm not qualified to comment? Not that I did comment on that. But one thing that is relatively certain, if central government sees a surplus of £3m in CCC's budget should the airport disappear then I would rather suggest that budget would be cut, so CCC wouldn't have it to spend anyway.
As for how to do it, I don't know how to do it, not without access to any accounts/budgets/projections etc etc, but you're right, we both want the same thing and that is for the airport to survive and be a sustainable business, but we both know it's being subsidised by £3m per year, we both know this is not ideal, we both know it's not going change for the foreseeable future.I don't have the answers just the same as you don't, and it's blatantly obvious the incumbent CEO doesn't either. Does that mean it has to close? Does that mean it cannot be made sustainable in the future? Does that mean we all have to give up on it? Not from where I'm sat it doesn't.
There was no personal attack? Not that I can see anyway. You said it isn't being paid for out of my pocket, but it actually is just as much my pocket as yours.
Why should I post any of my personal details on here for all and sundry to see?
You do seem to add in extra snippets for me, like lecturing you on starting up & running companies. But how do you know I'm not qualified to comment? Not that I did comment on that. But one thing that is relatively certain, if central government sees a surplus of £3m in CCC's budget should the airport disappear then I would rather suggest that budget would be cut, so CCC wouldn't have it to spend anyway.
As for how to do it, I don't know how to do it, not without access to any accounts/budgets/projections etc etc, but you're right, we both want the same thing and that is for the airport to survive and be a sustainable business, but we both know it's being subsidised by £3m per year, we both know this is not ideal, we both know it's not going change for the foreseeable future.I don't have the answers just the same as you don't, and it's blatantly obvious the incumbent CEO doesn't either. Does that mean it has to close? Does that mean it cannot be made sustainable in the future? Does that mean we all have to give up on it? Not from where I'm sat it doesn't.
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Phileas, I get the distinct impression you actually want the airport to be shut down just so you can say I told you so.
In two of my previous lives I've worked on both sides of the runway at St. Mawgan, circa 1977 I was there in a blue uniform for an exercise "Ocean Safari" and in the 80's I found myself working for Brymon ... So I do have a soft spot for the old place.
Now as for your naive and wrongful assumption that I want the place shut down, sitting here on a tropical beach where I have semi-retired to (check out "Siargao Island" on Goggle Images) I couldn't give a flying fook whether St. Mawgan stays or goes, I'm merely being truthful that the commercial viability of it as a sole civilian airport is a joke and it will NEVER return a single penny of profit.
Saying that I guess the same could have been said for Wideawake Airfield, that it would never return a penny in profit, but that changed during 1982 ... Perhaps St. Mawgan needs a war also to turn a profit
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no-one wants it to close - a lot of us just don't think it will make it without a large subsidy - and the question then is who pays it? The Council have reached the end of their tether I think.
Maybe if people use the service while the trains are out enough of them will be impressed enough to a) keep using it and b) tell their friends
We'll see
Maybe if people use the service while the trains are out enough of them will be impressed enough to a) keep using it and b) tell their friends
We'll see
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Phileas, lucky you. Have a cocktail on me. $
The question is does it need to be commercially viable so long as CCC control CAL and is ploughing money into it? One thing's for sure if it was a private consortium it would have been sold for real estate a long time ago.
That said I'm glad we're all singing off the same hymn sheet
The question is does it need to be commercially viable so long as CCC control CAL and is ploughing money into it? One thing's for sure if it was a private consortium it would have been sold for real estate a long time ago.
That said I'm glad we're all singing off the same hymn sheet
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Phileas, lucky you. Have a cocktail on me. $
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That is a good question Deano.
CCC owns assets and provides services, NQY is an asset so like any other should pay for itself. It could be argued too that it provides an essential service so therefore deserves a subsidy to keep it going. I suggest there is no definitive answer where that balance sits.
It is encouraging that efforts are made to expand business interests, I hope an equal amount of effort is being made in cutting overhead but have less confidence in that area.
CCC owns assets and provides services, NQY is an asset so like any other should pay for itself. It could be argued too that it provides an essential service so therefore deserves a subsidy to keep it going. I suggest there is no definitive answer where that balance sits.
It is encouraging that efforts are made to expand business interests, I hope an equal amount of effort is being made in cutting overhead but have less confidence in that area.
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Many of us down here in the windswept Duchy are very eager for Newquay to succeed and I thought mention of the good old days of Brymon very apt.
Why would I want to see Newquay fail? I would love to see three flights a day to Heathrow again and a million people a year flying in and out of the place but we have to be realistic. If I could use it more I would.
A classic example is Teesside, once the BD link to Heathrow was lost, the airport went into terminal decline.
Clearly none of this will happen if and until the Heathrow rwy situation is sorted and a sensible level of airport charges for small aircraft on thin routes is agreed.
Probably not going to happen in most of our lifetimes.
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Here you go Deano,
Get your millimetre ruler out on this one to realise the 05/23 tarmac length Perranporth already has and what extension, between the 05 threshold and the disused perimiter track is feasible and, as I suggested, I think there's room for a tad of an extension of the 23 threshold end also.
http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2013-04-04.pdf
Get your millimetre ruler out on this one to realise the 05/23 tarmac length Perranporth already has and what extension, between the 05 threshold and the disused perimiter track is feasible and, as I suggested, I think there's room for a tad of an extension of the 23 threshold end also.
http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2013-04-04.pdf
we at BMA handed over and handled the LHR-NQY route and the HP Herald to Brymon to op the services - they did OK afaik
got a Dash 7 on eventually.
2/3 flights a day i think. 50 seats
plus they did PLYM from LGW with the Twotter and from LHR at times too
and at BMA Tees side was our flagship route for many years on domestics
5 rotations a day
also i publicly am giving myself a small pat on the back -
Last Weds night when Dawlish was destroyed i tweeted BA and FGW and Dept of Transport to say good idea to charter some a/c for the NQY route and lay on some buses to ensure connection - lo and behold DoT asked Flybe to double their LGW schedules the next day - and Western Greyhound local buses will lay on more buses from NQY airport.
Sunday i tweeted to Cornwall council, the Chancellor, NQY airport and #openforbusiness suggesting APD and NQY development fee be waived temporarily during the rail crisis - lo and behold they all agreed the next day -
i got a thank you tweet from the Cornwall chamber of commerce chairman
it may not have been all me they listened to but i passionately felt that someone should do something during this awful time for the West Country
got a Dash 7 on eventually.
2/3 flights a day i think. 50 seats
plus they did PLYM from LGW with the Twotter and from LHR at times too
and at BMA Tees side was our flagship route for many years on domestics
5 rotations a day
also i publicly am giving myself a small pat on the back -
Last Weds night when Dawlish was destroyed i tweeted BA and FGW and Dept of Transport to say good idea to charter some a/c for the NQY route and lay on some buses to ensure connection - lo and behold DoT asked Flybe to double their LGW schedules the next day - and Western Greyhound local buses will lay on more buses from NQY airport.
Sunday i tweeted to Cornwall council, the Chancellor, NQY airport and #openforbusiness suggesting APD and NQY development fee be waived temporarily during the rail crisis - lo and behold they all agreed the next day -
i got a thank you tweet from the Cornwall chamber of commerce chairman
it may not have been all me they listened to but i passionately felt that someone should do something during this awful time for the West Country
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Well done rog747!
You youngsters I don't know, those recent times of Brymon and BMA, well recent to my time at Westward anyway. Must go Nurse is coming to put me to bed soon.
You youngsters I don't know, those recent times of Brymon and BMA, well recent to my time at Westward anyway. Must go Nurse is coming to put me to bed soon.
aaah westward peter de savoury ?