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Ah Yes,
The old LHR services, one I shall never forget was when I watched G-BRYB, with all four engines running, taxi into the PLH terminal building.
The Chief Pilot complimented my boss regarding how calm I had sounded when I telephoned him to report the "crash" ... I sounded calm because I couldn't believe what I had just witnessed
And one LHR lunchtime Twotter, fully loaded when one engine disintegrated, "Mayday, Mayday, Mayday" in to RAF Odiham!
We even operated a few Twotters in/out of Fairoaks ... WRB lived in Weybridge.
The old LHR services, one I shall never forget was when I watched G-BRYB, with all four engines running, taxi into the PLH terminal building.
The Chief Pilot complimented my boss regarding how calm I had sounded when I telephoned him to report the "crash" ... I sounded calm because I couldn't believe what I had just witnessed
And one LHR lunchtime Twotter, fully loaded when one engine disintegrated, "Mayday, Mayday, Mayday" in to RAF Odiham!
We even operated a few Twotters in/out of Fairoaks ... WRB lived in Weybridge.
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Nearly rog747, it was actually Peter Cadbury, he passed away in 2006. Chief pilot was Capt Ben Prowse, John Howard Evans was the other senior pilot, he then became chief pilot for Brymon. He was also founder of Air Wales 1 & 2 and now author of the book "Only angels have wings", a really good read. The airline was based at 6A Morfa Hall, Newquay. I still have somewhere an old blank ticket stock, now 45 years of age, think I will fill one in and pop down to Westward Airways (Lands End) and see if they will accept it!!
As posted earlier progress is a funny thing, in 1969, NQY had three flights a day to LHR, 45 years later it has none!!
As posted earlier progress is a funny thing, in 1969, NQY had three flights a day to LHR, 45 years later it has none!!
thanks g-hog cheers for the memories
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Just curious, does anyone have any hints on the loads currently on NQY-LGW-NQY.
I see in the press that the train line repairs are going to take longer due the most recent storms.
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I see in the press that the train line repairs are going to take longer due the most recent storms.
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Of the three routes I have flown recently none are available from LGW but all are from LHR. One I fly regularly and I always hire a car and dump it at LHR, but I would fly if I could. I wonder what proportion of travellers from NQY are not flying on a London air service to connect because it is to LGW and they are flying from LHR?
Please no lessons on why using LHR is virtually impossible, we all know that, this is a question of balance between the two London hubs. If the Duchy wants Government intervention to maintain a London link would it be better to LHR not LGW?.
PS straight question no drift into fairoaks, biggin hill etc thanks!!
Of the three routes I have flown recently none are available from LGW but all are from LHR. One I fly regularly and I always hire a car and dump it at LHR, but I would fly if I could. I wonder what proportion of travellers from NQY are not flying on a London air service to connect because it is to LGW and they are flying from LHR?
Please no lessons on why using LHR is virtually impossible, we all know that, this is a question of balance between the two London hubs. If the Duchy wants Government intervention to maintain a London link would it be better to LHR not LGW?.
PS straight question no drift into fairoaks, biggin hill etc thanks!!
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Exactly groundhog
You drive to LHR for longhaul flights.
Many take the train to reading or paddington to get to LHR.
If a major player offered a PSO route it would be well utilized for onward and outward connections to and from Cornwall.
Now the dominant alliance at LHR is one world and the most logical carrier to operate a PSO on LHR-NQY for connections would be BA.
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You drive to LHR for longhaul flights.
Many take the train to reading or paddington to get to LHR.
If a major player offered a PSO route it would be well utilized for onward and outward connections to and from Cornwall.
Now the dominant alliance at LHR is one world and the most logical carrier to operate a PSO on LHR-NQY for connections would be BA.
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If a major player offered a PSO route
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Of the three routes I have flown recently none are available from LGW but all are from LHR. One I fly regularly and I always hire a car and dump it at LHR, but I would fly if I could. I wonder what proportion of travellers from NQY are not flying on a London air service to connect because it is to LGW and they are flying from LHR?
Please no lessons on why using LHR is virtually impossible, we all know that, this is a question of balance between the two London hubs. If the Duchy wants Government intervention to maintain a London link would it be better to LHR not LGW?.
PS straight question no drift into fairoaks, biggin hill etc thanks!!
Of the three routes I have flown recently none are available from LGW but all are from LHR. One I fly regularly and I always hire a car and dump it at LHR, but I would fly if I could. I wonder what proportion of travellers from NQY are not flying on a London air service to connect because it is to LGW and they are flying from LHR?
Please no lessons on why using LHR is virtually impossible, we all know that, this is a question of balance between the two London hubs. If the Duchy wants Government intervention to maintain a London link would it be better to LHR not LGW?.
PS straight question no drift into fairoaks, biggin hill etc thanks!!
Quite right GROUNDHOG, it's common sense. If public money is being spent, try and spend it well! Clearly, PSO flights from NQY (or DND for that matter) should be to LHR to take advantage of commuters and transfer pax. Regretably, it ain't going to happen for the forseeable.
Exactly groundhog
You drive to LHR for longhaul flights.
Many take the train to reading or paddington to get to LHR.
You drive to LHR for longhaul flights.
Many take the train to reading or paddington to get to LHR.
If a major player offered a PSO route it would be well utilized for onward and outward connections to and from Cornwall.
Now the dominant alliance at LHR is one world and the most logical carrier to operate a PSO on LHR-NQY for connections would be BA.
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Some of the ticketing portals are also really odd
Eg Newquay - say Dubai, a logical destination for connections.
Instaed of picking up one of three EK daily ex LGW (OR indeed flying to Manchester and doing likewise which I would prefer as they have a 380), the sites punt you in on BA via LHR ?
Its mad.
Fly to LGW...change of airport, not sure how that is achieved and then a BA flight from LHR !
A small matter of a 20hr connection in most cases !
Eg Newquay - say Dubai, a logical destination for connections.
Instaed of picking up one of three EK daily ex LGW (OR indeed flying to Manchester and doing likewise which I would prefer as they have a 380), the sites punt you in on BA via LHR ?
Its mad.
Fly to LGW...change of airport, not sure how that is achieved and then a BA flight from LHR !
A small matter of a 20hr connection in most cases !
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What may be a big influence is there is an election next year, Cornwall is very strong for the Lib Dems and must be a prime target for Dave and the boys as sure as hell Ed and Nige will not be getting in down here. On the basis no matter what colour your party pretty much anything is available if it gets votes it makes you wonder. If money is to be thrown at Gatwick why not Heathrow and BA would of course be the ideal carrier.
On the basis that more than twice as many passengers travel through Heathrow than Gatwick surely the demand increases?
If Dave is throwing my cash at a PSO for NQY, please Mr Prime Minister will you throw it at Heathrow not Gatwick.
On the basis that more than twice as many passengers travel through Heathrow than Gatwick surely the demand increases?
If Dave is throwing my cash at a PSO for NQY, please Mr Prime Minister will you throw it at Heathrow not Gatwick.
If money is to be thrown at a PSO route from London to Newquay, then Govt has to offer a sufficiently high subsidy for airlines to be willing to bid to operate the PSO route.
Heathrow has 2 additional costs over Gatwick:
1 - Higher airport charges - go look at the conditions of use documents for Heathrow and Gatwick to compare
2 - A NQY route at plausible times would mean an existing set of flights at the relevant London airport would have to be dropped. A double daily from Heathrow to (for example) Vienna brings in much more revenue than it does from Gatwick. BA would switch the slots to a Newquay route *only* if Govt offered to subsidise at least the difference in revenue between a Vienna route and a Newquay route.
Relatively modest Govt subsidy will get you a PSO route to Gatwick. A PSO route to Heathrow will cost huge amounts of subsidy.
Who's paying for the PSO route, and will they accept the extra costs for Heathrow compared to Gatwick ?
Heathrow has 2 additional costs over Gatwick:
1 - Higher airport charges - go look at the conditions of use documents for Heathrow and Gatwick to compare
2 - A NQY route at plausible times would mean an existing set of flights at the relevant London airport would have to be dropped. A double daily from Heathrow to (for example) Vienna brings in much more revenue than it does from Gatwick. BA would switch the slots to a Newquay route *only* if Govt offered to subsidise at least the difference in revenue between a Vienna route and a Newquay route.
Relatively modest Govt subsidy will get you a PSO route to Gatwick. A PSO route to Heathrow will cost huge amounts of subsidy.
Who's paying for the PSO route, and will they accept the extra costs for Heathrow compared to Gatwick ?
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If a major player offered a PSO route it would be well utilized for onward and outward connections to and from Cornwall.
It's not RAF St Mawgan anymore with the MOD picking up the bill. Air Southwest have gone away, flybe remain only on a taxpayer subsidy and the operating costs of such an enormous airfield for such a tiny proportion of flights is only ever going to increase losses.
How much would we have to pay BA so that rather than operate an off peak to Europe, they should nip across to Cornwall in wintertime? The market won't support it, it's simply not there in real volume and yield. Newquay is highly seasonal and geared towards tourism, I flew the Ryanair Stansted which did OK but was unsustainable, flybe have found the same at Gatwick. Not enough people paying enough money to make it viable.
All of the comparisons with days past are interesting but they're from a time when you could book GLA-EDI on an Air UK 146 or LHR-BHX/EMA on a British Midland ATP. Those days are never coming back, ever. Is there any airport in the short haul network BA serve even close to a market this small? BA couldn't make a thrice daily Dash 8 work, then they failed with a daily B737 on leisure, in summer! How big is the NQY-LHR-JFK market these days?
What's the ROI on said LHR slot? Does anyone really think there's a business case here to do this? It would have to be an A319 as BA are not allowed to fly anything Brazilian out of LHR and LGW. A twice daily A319 offers more seats than the entire current throughput of Newquay Airport.
Eg Newquay - say Dubai, a logical destination for connections.
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Oh skipness I do love the tone of your posts !
Anyone would think that your opinion on the world of aviation is spot on and everyone else's isn't !
As we're being blunt and rude and out of order to each other, have you actually read the post to which I, a simple humble Cornishman with clearly no right to teansport links was replying ?
No, I didn't think so !
Perhaps you should and while your at it take some chill pills and learn some manors.
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Anyone would think that your opinion on the world of aviation is spot on and everyone else's isn't !
As we're being blunt and rude and out of order to each other, have you actually read the post to which I, a simple humble Cornishman with clearly no right to teansport links was replying ?
No, I didn't think so !
Perhaps you should and while your at it take some chill pills and learn some manors.
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Totally agree there isn't a business case for NQY/LHR. As things stand there isn't for NQY/LGW either. The purpose of an expensive airport at NQY to serve passenger flights to even fewer destinations is therefore...... ?
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Judging by the increase in marketing on the NQY-LGW and the large increase in loads I would suggest there is a reasonable business case for the continuation of a LGW route. Let's not forget the reason they were initially to be pulled was because of LGW landing fees not the number of passengers using it.
I think it has made people realise there is too much reliance on train services to London which are not that great at the best of times.
I think it has made people realise there is too much reliance on train services to London which are not that great at the best of times.
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What may be a big influence is there is an election next year, Cornwall is very strong for the Lib Dems and must be a prime target for Dave and the boys as sure as hell Ed and Nige will not be getting in down here. On the basis no matter what colour your party pretty much anything is available if it gets votes it makes you wonder. If money is to be thrown at Gatwick why not Heathrow and BA would of course be the ideal carrier.
Also with the Libdems no longer a home for protesting or hacked off voters, it could be rich(ish) pickings for UKIP.
That's not to say that UKIP will necessarily win any seats there, but their level of support could see some aeats change hands.
On the basis that more than twice as many passengers travel through Heathrow than Gatwick surely the demand increases?
If Dave is throwing my cash at a PSO for NQY, please Mr Prime Minister will you throw it at Heathrow not Gatwick.
If Dave is throwing my cash at a PSO for NQY, please Mr Prime Minister will you throw it at Heathrow not Gatwick.