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Old 3rd Jul 2013, 13:20   #521 (permalink)
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Nothing that hasn't already been reported here. Still it does show BOH is slowly heading in the right direction again

They're back: Ryanair confirms new winter timetable for Bournemouth Airport (From Bournemouth Echo)
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Old 3rd Jul 2013, 13:55   #522 (permalink)
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I think the news that BOH will have a based B747-8i BBJ is more significant than the Ryanair news, but yes very good start to an improving outlook.

Just need KLM to announce BOH and for easyJet to get that rumored Spanish flight on sale.

On the negative side, what's going on with Bath Travel? their website has taken a very strange turn and looks worryingly like they may be going under.
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Old 3rd Jul 2013, 22:35   #523 (permalink)
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Why is basing a 747-800 more significant than Ryanair? In terms of income and longevity, getting the Harps to fly all year round is very important. Not too sure the odd movement of a -800 BBJ will keep Hurn afloat!
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 02:54   #524 (permalink)
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So if a 748 BBJ is going to be based at BOH I take it some sensible people have made some calculations and know its possible however...

from here:
Boeing 747 8 VIP Price, Specs, Interior, Pictures

Minimum Take Off Distance = 3291.84m

from here:
AirportWatch | Bournemouth International airport

BOH Runway Length = 2271m

I'm in no way saying the above measurements are correct and feel free to correct them if they are miles out - but a difference of 1020m should cause some major issues if this aircraft is to be based at BOH?
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 07:59   #525 (permalink)
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That take-off distance is totally wrong. I can't find the spec's for a BBJ but Boeing's technical data says a lightly loaded B747-8i or -8F only needs 6,000-7,000 ft to get off the deck. (approx 1830m to 2130m)

Without hundreds of seats or internal cargo handing equipment, the BBJ would probably have a lower empty weight and would perform better an -8i or 8F.
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 08:19   #526 (permalink)
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747-8 BBJ

Ah, but you've got to factor in all the gold taps and marble wash basins!
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 09:29   #527 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by BOH View Post
So if a 748 BBJ is going to be based at BOH I take it some sensible people have made some calculations and know its possible however...

from here:
Boeing 747 8 VIP Price, Specs, Interior, Pictures

Minimum Take Off Distance = 3291.84m
Why would anyone give an iota of credibility to what seems to be a junior planespotter site, and moreover one that claims to be able to calculate take-off distance to the nearest centimetre? A better starting point would be page 35 in this Boeing 747-8 performance spec (took less than a minute of googling... )
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 12:03   #528 (permalink)
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3291 m ... someone should run up to Manchester quick and tell them ...
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 12:46   #529 (permalink)
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Lets not get into big debate about facts and figures and armchair advisors giving there advice about this development of a 747 800 operating from Bournemouth !

Its good news for the airport and like the Ryanair news hopefully things are now turning a corner slowly
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Old 8th Jul 2013, 15:27   #530 (permalink)
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Cardiff Aviation Limited, the aircraft maintenance and flight training organisation established in July 2012 by Iron Maiden vocalist Bruce Dickinson and business partner Mario Fulgoni, has acquired European Skybus flight training.

The European Skybus flight training centre was acquired from the European Aviation Group for an undisclosed sum.

The centre – which will remain in Bournemouth for the time being – is an Approved Training Organisation (UK/CAA GBR.ATO.0247) and can perform Type Ratings for Boeing 747 aircraft types, approved by the UK/CAA and JAA/EASA authorities.

Its Boeing 737, 747-200/300 Combi, B747-400, BAC 1-11 400/500, and Sikorsky S61N helicopter simulators are used by airlines and aircraft operators worldwide for initial flight crew training as well as MCC, JetOC, IR revalidations, recurrent and refresher training.

“This is an exciting addition to the Cardiff Aviation portfolio of businesses and services,” said Mario Fulgoni, Joint CEO of Cardiff Aviation Limited.

“For the time being, the flight training centre will remain located at Bournemouth International Airport [BOH] on the south coast of the United Kingdom, but we are likely to incorporate it into our base at St Athan, South Wales in due course.”

The 13 acre site offers airside access to a private apron, with customer aircraft parking. A team of full-time engineers maintains the simulators.

Cardiff Aviation was launched in mid-2012 by Iron Maiden singer and aviation entrepreneur Bruce Dickinson, who is himself a 7,000 hour Boeing 757 pilot, and Mario Fulgoni, a seasoned senior aviation manager and former airline captain. It has 132,000 square feet of hangar space capable of accommodating aircraft up to the size of a Boeing 767-300, and parking for up to 20 narrow bodied commercial airliners. St Athan has a 6,000 ft runway.

As well as maintenance of airliners and other large aircraft for several major and independent airlines, Cardiff Aviation has facilities to complete the full range of ancillary aircraft maintenance and training activities and has the expertise and approvals to certify aircraft from many jurisdictions.

Cardiff Aviation has considerable in-house expertise. However, joint ventures and partnerships – current and to-be-announced – all based under one roof at Cardiff Aviation’s St Athan base, massively extend that resource and expertise offering into a vast array of markets.
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Old 8th Jul 2013, 15:37   #531 (permalink)
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Great news for Bruce and Cardiff Aviation Limited. Their portfolio of offerings just down the road at St. Athan is forever growing, and this is a further offering to add to the vast array of things already offered. They stated upon start-up that they will acquire sims for B747 type ratings and even more, so this comes as no surprise.

Also, the customer base acquired as a result of this acquisition will greatly enhance the operation. And yes, in the not so distant future the facility will move to St. Athan, which in itself is a VERY large site.
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Old 9th Jul 2013, 12:12   #532 (permalink)
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Will this affect many jobs at BOH? If pilots come from 'all over the world' to use these sims, surely the loss of this to Wales is bad for Bmth?

Not all staff will want to move to Wales.

Regarding Skybus, can I confirm that this has nothing to do with European's other operations like lease/spares support/aircraft/maintenance/paint shop/bbj's etc.?

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Old 9th Jul 2013, 16:44   #533 (permalink)
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Will all end in tears, when they insist that all employees must speak Welsh. Even those employed by the company in BOH.
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Old 10th Jul 2013, 08:44   #534 (permalink)
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Utter tosh, turboprop. There are no requirements for anyone in Cardiff Aviation to speak Welsh.

May I suggest if you can't add anything of value to the conversation, you keep your childish views to yourself?

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Old 10th Jul 2013, 12:48   #535 (permalink)
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Who's building a new 90-wide hangar for a private operation at Bournemouth?
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Old 10th Jul 2013, 12:57   #536 (permalink)
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You may find thats the MOD's being done to Hanger 12 for the B747-8BBJ
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Old 17th Jul 2013, 10:02   #537 (permalink)
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Bournemouth handled 78 , 807 passengers in June down 7 . 5 %

Quite surprised at the figures for June down on most services for some un known reason even taking into account French ATC

Dublin is a concern still with only 1265 passengers using it making an average of 35 pax on a 42 seater . this changed though in July to 6 services a week with a new departure time

Thomson have added Palma and Rhodes to there winter/spring departures in 2014 for the month of April

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Old 17th Jul 2013, 10:16   #538 (permalink)
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It's actually worse than that, the ATR42 is a 48 seater with EIR. What are your opinions on the future viability of the DUB-BOH link people?
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Old 17th Jul 2013, 10:35   #539 (permalink)
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Could it be that passenger numbers were higher last June due to the Spring Bank Holiday (along with school half-terms) being moved to June because of the extra Queen's Jubilee holiday?
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Old 17th Jul 2013, 21:27   #540 (permalink)
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Although I hate to say it but possibly in a few months or within the year at least and I think the EIR DUB-BOH will be gone which is a shame as the route could have had high potential with both inbound and outbound pax and with the link up at Dublin for USA routes as well.

The flights are obviously not attracting the loads that were expected hence the down size of aircraft and frequency.

But hopefully EIR can sustain this route in the future with the current schedule.
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