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I have heard the same as a few here from some who work there, so take with a pinch of salt... Until the first A/C lands it might never happen.. as we found out before with Iceland a few years back if I remember.
Coming to BFS, End of March 2016, Plan of 4/5 based A/C however not known if this will start off with 1 A/C or even using a W pattern with another stations A/C.. Announcement due shortly after New Year
I am just wondering (not trying to start a mega debate, so don't jump) will they continue operating from LDY if the above happens?
Coming to BFS, End of March 2016, Plan of 4/5 based A/C however not known if this will start off with 1 A/C or even using a W pattern with another stations A/C.. Announcement due shortly after New Year
I am just wondering (not trying to start a mega debate, so don't jump) will they continue operating from LDY if the above happens?
The end of LDY?! Hahahaha! Blue. You need to lay off it. Neither Derry, nor Belfast City airports are going anywhere.
Now. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assuming your question wasn't purile garbage, you meant the "end of FR at LDY", then no. They've been selling STN/GLA/LPL/FAO flights for the summer season for months. Still, being an expert in NI aviation, I'm sure you know this already.
Now. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assuming your question wasn't purile garbage, you meant the "end of FR at LDY", then no. They've been selling STN/GLA/LPL/FAO flights for the summer season for months. Still, being an expert in NI aviation, I'm sure you know this already.
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So, explain how the economics work out if FR departs Ldy? Knowing very little about NI aviation, I assume FR accounts for a very large percentage of LDY's commercial income. I am not including whatever subsidy Ldy might get from local council. Who would be the main users of Ldy should FR depart?
No, you explain how one of the most ruthless airlines in the world has operated from LDY since July 1999. Then explain why now is such a good time to turn up at BFS (whilst abandoning LDY) and how this won't affect EZY (see my clever bringing it back to thread mechanism?).
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The end of LDY?! Hahahaha! Blue. You need to lay off it. Neither Derry, nor Belfast City airports are going anywhere.
Now. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assuming your question wasn't purile garbage, you meant the "end of FR at LDY", then no. They've been selling STN/GLA/LPL/FAO flights for the summer season for months. Still, being an expert in NI aviation, I'm sure you know this already.
Now. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assuming your question wasn't purile garbage, you meant the "end of FR at LDY", then no. They've been selling STN/GLA/LPL/FAO flights for the summer season for months. Still, being an expert in NI aviation, I'm sure you know this already.
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BFS-GLA with FR, talk about overkill, surely they could do better than that. Its a limited market with finite populations which would result in dilutions. A 738 in addition to BE and EZY quite a lot to fill. Be innovative!
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What's with the wassaya flights to Paris every day?
Should be back to normal next week.
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
BFS-GLA with FR, talk about overkill, surely they could do better than that. Its a limited market with finite populations which would result in dilutions. A 738 in addition to BE and EZY quite a lot to fill. Be innovative!
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Respectfully Cuthere, if FR exited LDY the case for keeping the airport open is questionable. As it stands the airport is nowhere near economically viable with the support of the local Derry/Strabane subsidy. At approx 300k pax per annum it has a way to go to make the numbers stack. I'm not entirely sure if FR would up sticks. So it is a fair question on TrueBlue's part as to what could happen if FR exited.
While LDY has its own thread, the NI airports compete heavily hence completely on thread to discuss other airports as a knock on interconnected theme to that of BFS... Or BHD for that matter...
Happy New Year to one and all on the forum...!
While LDY has its own thread, the NI airports compete heavily hence completely on thread to discuss other airports as a knock on interconnected theme to that of BFS... Or BHD for that matter...
Happy New Year to one and all on the forum...!
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I appreciate this may be in the wrong thread but if ryanair do decide to leave LDY and open a large operation at BFS I wonder if Flybe would look at having another attempt at LDY.
I know they tried MAN a few years ago but the airline is in a different position now under new management and seem to be doing well at airports that have struggled in the past, and with more aircraft on the way I would say the airport might not die off so quickly if FR left
I know they tried MAN a few years ago but the airline is in a different position now under new management and seem to be doing well at airports that have struggled in the past, and with more aircraft on the way I would say the airport might not die off so quickly if FR left
With respect BUD, I have said many times, including in a PM conversation with you a few years back, that the viability of LDY is questionable at best. Have a look at your personal messages and you can reacquaint yourself with my opinion.
Read my posts again. Can someone answer the conundrum I've raised about EZY remaining at BFS after the supposed arrival of FR? Nope. Didn't think so.
As for LDY being relevant to BFS, or its thread; it's about as relevant as Newtownards or St Angelo.
Read my posts again. Can someone answer the conundrum I've raised about EZY remaining at BFS after the supposed arrival of FR? Nope. Didn't think so.
As for LDY being relevant to BFS, or its thread; it's about as relevant as Newtownards or St Angelo.
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Think its well worth remembering FR failed in the Belfast market last time. I can't see why they couldn't have moved their operation to BFS at the time if the runway was such an issue, and that was with breath takingly low fares. BE backed down and i daresay they will again if they need to, and the outcome - less rotations and flexibility for passengers, especially business ones which N.I. really need, if you remember EZY didn't budge much, except the LTN service which in my opinion was to block FR, they didn't budge then and I don't think they will now. FR would do better to open up Europe from Belfast, preferably to places currently unserved that people drive down to DUB for in their thousands.
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The BHD-LTN was purely a game to up the pressure on TBI at the time who owned both LTN and BFS. RYR's city ops had little effect on easy at the time but if they arrive at BFS things will be different. Easy BFS operation is too big to move to the City as it involves aircraft from most UK bases not just the local ones. It's ranked about 3rd or 4th biggest in easyjets operation in terms of movements overall. You'd think they would stand and fight however in the past they have always tended to run from the Ryan's. STN is a classic example.
The 2 airlines operate on different models. Easyjet have adopted a policy in recent years of moving aircraft around to maximise yield. Every year several airframes shift around not because they are necessarily losing money in one place but because they can earn more somewhere else. If Ryanair arrive in BFS an compete directly then the yield will lower. Easyjet will likely resist in the short term and there'll be cheap seats. They don't last forever though as eventually somebody will blink. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of an Easyjet BHD-LGW service as a snub to BFS management. It would likely be very successful.
A sustained price war in BFS will likely lead to the removal of some based airframes and relocation of crews/staff. That's probably 18 months to 2 years away unless Ryanair were to blink first.
I'm baffled the BFS want Ryanair anywhere near the place given the money they make from easy. Never smart to bite the hand that feeds let alone cut it off. The won't enjoy the same levels of revenue from RYR.
The 2 airlines operate on different models. Easyjet have adopted a policy in recent years of moving aircraft around to maximise yield. Every year several airframes shift around not because they are necessarily losing money in one place but because they can earn more somewhere else. If Ryanair arrive in BFS an compete directly then the yield will lower. Easyjet will likely resist in the short term and there'll be cheap seats. They don't last forever though as eventually somebody will blink. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of an Easyjet BHD-LGW service as a snub to BFS management. It would likely be very successful.
A sustained price war in BFS will likely lead to the removal of some based airframes and relocation of crews/staff. That's probably 18 months to 2 years away unless Ryanair were to blink first.
I'm baffled the BFS want Ryanair anywhere near the place given the money they make from easy. Never smart to bite the hand that feeds let alone cut it off. The won't enjoy the same levels of revenue from RYR.