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Looks like MAN waited to get all their lucrative long hauls in before closing for a sweep.
Apart from the SQ which was last to land before the closure, the other "lucrative long haul" arrivals were at 0616, 0643, 0655, 0657, 0703, 0706,0738 and 0813 which was before the snow started coming down hard.
You close the runway when it becomes unsafe and safety over-rides commercial considerations.
When you have had practical experience of closing a runway and clearing it whilst minimising disruption and ensuring that safety is not compromised, please share your thoughts again.
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Air France are going to make regular use of the A321 to BHX.
http://bhxflightguide.********.co.uk...airfrance.html
http://bhxflightguide.********.co.uk...airfrance.html
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BMIr have launch 3 new routes from BHX.
bmi regional Launch Three New European Routes From Birmingham Airport - Birmingham Airport
bmi regional Launch Three New European Routes From Birmingham Airport - Birmingham Airport
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Welcome news!
Just like for the proverbial 'London bus', you wait for seemingly ages for good news on route development, then four come along at once....
Would like to think there might be more from Ryanair before too long as well, possibly a re-instatement of Budapest?
Would like to think there might be more from Ryanair before too long as well, possibly a re-instatement of Budapest?
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Well, it's something. Still waiting out for that lucrative Qatar announcement.
Apparently the runway will be completed in Autumn but won't be operational until spring, as the whole runway needs to be resurfaced.
Apparently the runway will be completed in Autumn but won't be operational until spring, as the whole runway needs to be resurfaced.
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Interesting Midland_pilot the man in the know got the Birmingham base completely wrong. Good luck to them, may even use the Gothenburg flights to visit family to avoid LHR
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Thanks Planeaddict for the runway ext vid link.
It is quite old though, the new road base is now completely dug out and 3/4 filled and rolled with hard core.
No work this week due to the snow pushes them back another week ,so now 6 weeks behind schedule.
Nigel
It is quite old though, the new road base is now completely dug out and 3/4 filled and rolled with hard core.
No work this week due to the snow pushes them back another week ,so now 6 weeks behind schedule.
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"Lucrative in what sense?"
Money spending pax through the terminal
Additional widebody airport fees
Raising pax numbers for the airport
Encouraging other operators
Increasing connecting passengers
Offering further jobs at the airport
If it was a true pending announcement, I would say it was pretty lucrative.
Money spending pax through the terminal
Additional widebody airport fees
Raising pax numbers for the airport
Encouraging other operators
Increasing connecting passengers
Offering further jobs at the airport
If it was a true pending announcement, I would say it was pretty lucrative.
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Excellent news 
Quite proud of myself for guessing LYS and GOT once I had heard the rumour they were sniffing ex BHX! Now, will BE start LYS aswell in competition, it is in their online timetable starting May but not yet bookable. Good to see French regional routes back at full strength again from BHX
FR back to BUD and the (re) launch of MAD, PRG and LIS (poss by ZB if they based another unit?), now that would be the icing on the cake! Still, it's good to have some positive route news at last!
Quite proud of myself for guessing LYS and GOT once I had heard the rumour they were sniffing ex BHX! Now, will BE start LYS aswell in competition, it is in their online timetable starting May but not yet bookable. Good to see French regional routes back at full strength again from BHX
FR back to BUD and the (re) launch of MAD, PRG and LIS (poss by ZB if they based another unit?), now that would be the icing on the cake! Still, it's good to have some positive route news at last!
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I bet a once daily Monarch A330 to the med wouldn't be described as lucrative 
but a QR one to DOH is? Do they really make any more money commercially or is it kudos? I often wonder, would be nice if someone could share numbers?
I wonder if premium pax spend all their time in the lounge rather than supporting jobs in the shops. Indeed the passenger throughput with MON would be higher. Maybe I am playing devils advocate, but a lot of this seems to be "my neighbour's grass is greener".
but a QR one to DOH is? Do they really make any more money commercially or is it kudos? I often wonder, would be nice if someone could share numbers?I wonder if premium pax spend all their time in the lounge rather than supporting jobs in the shops. Indeed the passenger throughput with MON would be higher. Maybe I am playing devils advocate, but a lot of this seems to be "my neighbour's grass is greener".
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Thanks Planeaddict for the runway ext vid link.
It is quite old though, the new road base is now completely dug out and 3/4 filled and rolled with hard core.
No work this week due to the snow pushes them back another week ,so now 6 weeks behind schedule.
Nigel
It is quite old though, the new road base is now completely dug out and 3/4 filled and rolled with hard core.
No work this week due to the snow pushes them back another week ,so now 6 weeks behind schedule.
Nigel
And plus, when do you think the A45 diversion will be completed?
Would love to see a recent image of the works. Meanwhile, it seems the tower is in the final stages of being fitted out/commissioned. Also, I have heard Air Transat are doing another one-weekly service this year according to banad (a yahoo BHX group) - don't understand why when the pax numbers are pretty decent.
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Quite proud of myself for guessing LYS and GOT once I had heard the rumour they were sniffing ex BHX!
FR back to BUD and the (re) launch of MAD, PRG and LIS (poss by ZB if they based another unit?), now that would be the icing on the cake! Still, it's good to have some positive route news at last!
FR back to BUD and the (re) launch of MAD, PRG and LIS (poss by ZB if they based another unit?), now that would be the icing on the cake! Still, it's good to have some positive route news at last!
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I also wish someone would launch PSA, I think it's quite shocking that BHX is the only major airport in the UK that doesn't have a link to Tuscany.
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You make a very interesting observation.
It's families with kids that are more likely to spend in the cafes and shops than business passengers, who are likely to check-in later, and be interested in little else than getting to their destination, doing their business and return home. As they are probbaly travelling for a matter of days rather than weeks, they won't need to avail themselves of baggage trolleys, and are probably the only people able to afford UK train fares, and thus might not even use the car parks! Business passengers are also more likely to use only check-in than you're family on the daily Monarch 330 to Malaga, so won't necessarily contribute to employment in the check-in hall.
I wonder if premium pax spend all their time in the lounge rather than supporting jobs in the shops. Indeed the passenger throughput with MON would be higher. Maybe I am playing devils advocate, but a lot of this seems to be "my neighbour's grass is greener".
It's families with kids that are more likely to spend in the cafes and shops than business passengers, who are likely to check-in later, and be interested in little else than getting to their destination, doing their business and return home. As they are probbaly travelling for a matter of days rather than weeks, they won't need to avail themselves of baggage trolleys, and are probably the only people able to afford UK train fares, and thus might not even use the car parks! Business passengers are also more likely to use only check-in than you're family on the daily Monarch 330 to Malaga, so won't necessarily contribute to employment in the check-in hall.
BMIR announce the arrival of
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Quite a day then!
flybe is in GDS six a week E175 from 1st May I think.
My question is why now, when the previous "high cost" airline ended nearly 12 months ago and was regularly getting 75% load factors on a base fare of £149 and last minute ones which would normally get you half way round the world
. Sometimes flybe drive you mad, I am not saying the route will work but if there was one route to try last summer, this was the one.
They are so conservative at times and then they take the plunge and possibly get upstaged.
BMIR
Great news but some caution, the last airline to GOT with a 49 seater...........
Toulouse tried several times by flybe but hopefully BMIR can develop this one and Lyon might be up against a flybe 175.
Ryanair - Obviously French week. On the topic of Pisa, this is another route that has failed to deliver at BHX, not quite on the lines of Cologne but My Travel Lite and FR have tried it and even before we get on to yields, load factors at best were average.
SOE - I don't think there is any secret in the fact Thomson pax are the high-spenders at BHX in summer (not sure about the more sedate winter time) and taking a hard-nosed view then you are probably right that a daily A330/767/757 to the Med is likely to yield more for the beancounters although I would imagine Qatar would help in many ways as well.
Also Qatar is probably the one potentially viable mid to long-haul route, which BHX can realistically expect at present.
Pete
flybe is in GDS six a week E175 from 1st May I think.
My question is why now, when the previous "high cost" airline ended nearly 12 months ago and was regularly getting 75% load factors on a base fare of £149 and last minute ones which would normally get you half way round the world
. Sometimes flybe drive you mad, I am not saying the route will work but if there was one route to try last summer, this was the one.They are so conservative at times and then they take the plunge and possibly get upstaged.
BMIR
Great news but some caution, the last airline to GOT with a 49 seater...........
Toulouse tried several times by flybe but hopefully BMIR can develop this one and Lyon might be up against a flybe 175.
Ryanair - Obviously French week. On the topic of Pisa, this is another route that has failed to deliver at BHX, not quite on the lines of Cologne but My Travel Lite and FR have tried it and even before we get on to yields, load factors at best were average.
SOE - I don't think there is any secret in the fact Thomson pax are the high-spenders at BHX in summer (not sure about the more sedate winter time) and taking a hard-nosed view then you are probably right that a daily A330/767/757 to the Med is likely to yield more for the beancounters although I would imagine Qatar would help in many ways as well.
Also Qatar is probably the one potentially viable mid to long-haul route, which BHX can realistically expect at present.
Pete