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It looks as if SAS have updated their Summer 2013 timetable ex BHX. SAS BHX-ARN service has been revised now six flights a week (daily ex Sat) this is up from the planned three per week schedule!!
Service changes to and evening arrival and departure from Birmingham with a mix of 737-600s and 800s.
Mon-Fri SK2553/4 1945 2310 1730 1905
Sun SK2553/4 2035 2355 1820 1955
More good news
Daza
Service changes to and evening arrival and departure from Birmingham with a mix of 737-600s and 800s.
Mon-Fri SK2553/4 1945 2310 1730 1905
Sun SK2553/4 2035 2355 1820 1955
More good news
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Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't flybe flown there from BHX for several years, albeit seasonally? Ryanair will do well on this because looking at flybe they have numerous seats already booked and for summer and fares coming out in excess of £200 without baggage. Have Ryanair produced this twice weekly route out of Budapest?
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Birmingham-Perpignan
Hi mart901
You are right! Flybe have operated PGF for some years. I think they did have a break in service and haven't operated this every year....I might be wrong?
Daza
You are right! Flybe have operated PGF for some years. I think they did have a break in service and haven't operated this every year....I might be wrong?
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Did you mean,
.......for Ryanair its the first service from Perpignan to a major city outside London?
.......for Ryanair its the first service from Perpignan to a major city outside London?
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My apologies Suzeman didn't realise it was you in charge of closing the MAN runway I therefore bow to your expert knowledge.
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Manchester-Perpignan
pwalhx wrote
Why have you mentioned Manchester Airport in the Birmingham thread? If you read the listed posts 2322 and 2324 you will see that contributers were talking about Ryanair operating to PGF to my knowledge FR have not operated MAN-PGF.
Daza
IIRC BMI Baby flew Manchester to Perpignan as well.
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PGF & Pisa
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I think flybe have stopped and started at times and of course what I had forgotten it was one of Ryanair's first batch of the new "based aircraft" routes in July 2008.
Here are some passenger stats, I must admit I thought the original flybe figures were better and probably why it stopped when it was the 146. Ryanair operated in winter as well - those were the days they were content to fly empty aircraft before APD and fuel rises.
Source: CAA
Flybe
May 2004 2724 pax - 45 per flight 41% (based on 110 seats BE 146-300)
Jun 2004 3566 pax - 59 per flight 54%
Jul 2004 4240 pax - 68 per flight 62%
Aug 2004 4454 pax - 72 per flight 65%
Sep 2004 3395 pax - 57 per flight 51%
Oct 2004 2431 pax - 43 per flight 39%
Ryanair
Jul 2008 2340 pax - 130 per flight 69%
Aug 2008 2857 pax - 159 per flight 84%
Sep 2008 2022 pax - 126 per flight 67%
Oct 2008 2067 pax - 115 per flight 61%
Nov 2008 1255 pax - 70 per flight 37%
Dec 2008 1298 pax - 93 per flight 41%
Jan 2009 1051 pax - 66 per flight 35%
Feb 2009 1605 pax - 100 per flight 63%
Mar 2009 1300 pax - 72 per flight 38%
Apr 2008 1847 pax - 103 per flight 54%
May 2009 1845 pax - 103 per flight 54%
Jun 2009 2319 pax - 145 per flight 77%
Jul 2009 2537 pax - 141 per flight 75%
Aug 2009 2803 pax - 156 per flight 82%
Sep 2009 2407pax - 134 per flight 71%
Oct 2009 1135 pax - 95 per flight 50%
Pisa
It was mentioned that Pisa would be a good route and perhaps another FR could try again?
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May 2003 5142 pax - 83 per flight -46% (based on 180 seats)
Jun 2003 6046 pax - 104 per flight - 58%
Jul 2003 6264 pax - 101 per flight - 56%
Aug 2003 7277 pax - 117 per flight - 65%
Sept 2003 7112 pax - 119 per flight - 66%
Oct 2003 7126 pax -115 per flight - 64%
Nov 2003 1009 pax - 101 per flight - 56%
Ryanair
APR 2008 3029 pax - 117 per flight - 62%
May 2008 2980 pax - 115 per flight - 61%
June 2008 3292 pax - 127 per flight - 67%
Jul 2008 3466 pax - 133 per flight 71%
Aug 2008 4506 pax - 161 per flight 85%
Sep 2008 3392 pax - 141 per flight 75%
Oct 2008 3389 pax - 121 per flight 64%
Nov 2008 2674 pax - 103 per flight 54%
Dec 2008 1773 pax - 93 per flight 49%
Jan 2009 1970 pax - 79 per flight 42%
Feb 2009 2533 pax - 106 per flight 56%
Mar 2009 2508 pax - 96 per flight 51%
Apr 2008 2006 pax - 125 per flight 66%
May 2009 2158 pax - 120 per flight 63%
Jun 2009 2186 pax - 121 per flight 64%
Jul 2009 2178 pax - 136 per flight 72%
Aug 2009 2862 pax - 159 per flight 84%
Sep 2009 2509 pax - 139 per flight 74%
Oct 2009 2343 pax - 130 per flight 69%
When Ryanair operated I did check fares during the school holidays (Honestly GF some Brummies do know where Tuscany is
well one or two) and they were never basement bargains including Feb half-term but as you can see they are below Ryanair average.
Good news re SAS Arlanda
Pete
I think flybe have stopped and started at times and of course what I had forgotten it was one of Ryanair's first batch of the new "based aircraft" routes in July 2008.
Here are some passenger stats, I must admit I thought the original flybe figures were better and probably why it stopped when it was the 146. Ryanair operated in winter as well - those were the days they were content to fly empty aircraft before APD and fuel rises.
Source: CAA
Flybe
May 2004 2724 pax - 45 per flight 41% (based on 110 seats BE 146-300)
Jun 2004 3566 pax - 59 per flight 54%
Jul 2004 4240 pax - 68 per flight 62%
Aug 2004 4454 pax - 72 per flight 65%
Sep 2004 3395 pax - 57 per flight 51%
Oct 2004 2431 pax - 43 per flight 39%
Ryanair
Jul 2008 2340 pax - 130 per flight 69%
Aug 2008 2857 pax - 159 per flight 84%
Sep 2008 2022 pax - 126 per flight 67%
Oct 2008 2067 pax - 115 per flight 61%
Nov 2008 1255 pax - 70 per flight 37%
Dec 2008 1298 pax - 93 per flight 41%
Jan 2009 1051 pax - 66 per flight 35%
Feb 2009 1605 pax - 100 per flight 63%
Mar 2009 1300 pax - 72 per flight 38%
Apr 2008 1847 pax - 103 per flight 54%
May 2009 1845 pax - 103 per flight 54%
Jun 2009 2319 pax - 145 per flight 77%
Jul 2009 2537 pax - 141 per flight 75%
Aug 2009 2803 pax - 156 per flight 82%
Sep 2009 2407pax - 134 per flight 71%
Oct 2009 1135 pax - 95 per flight 50%
Pisa
It was mentioned that Pisa would be a good route and perhaps another FR could try again?
My Travel Lite
May 2003 5142 pax - 83 per flight -46% (based on 180 seats)
Jun 2003 6046 pax - 104 per flight - 58%
Jul 2003 6264 pax - 101 per flight - 56%
Aug 2003 7277 pax - 117 per flight - 65%
Sept 2003 7112 pax - 119 per flight - 66%
Oct 2003 7126 pax -115 per flight - 64%
Nov 2003 1009 pax - 101 per flight - 56%
Ryanair
APR 2008 3029 pax - 117 per flight - 62%
May 2008 2980 pax - 115 per flight - 61%
June 2008 3292 pax - 127 per flight - 67%
Jul 2008 3466 pax - 133 per flight 71%
Aug 2008 4506 pax - 161 per flight 85%
Sep 2008 3392 pax - 141 per flight 75%
Oct 2008 3389 pax - 121 per flight 64%
Nov 2008 2674 pax - 103 per flight 54%
Dec 2008 1773 pax - 93 per flight 49%
Jan 2009 1970 pax - 79 per flight 42%
Feb 2009 2533 pax - 106 per flight 56%
Mar 2009 2508 pax - 96 per flight 51%
Apr 2008 2006 pax - 125 per flight 66%
May 2009 2158 pax - 120 per flight 63%
Jun 2009 2186 pax - 121 per flight 64%
Jul 2009 2178 pax - 136 per flight 72%
Aug 2009 2862 pax - 159 per flight 84%
Sep 2009 2509 pax - 139 per flight 74%
Oct 2009 2343 pax - 130 per flight 69%
When Ryanair operated I did check fares during the school holidays (Honestly GF some Brummies do know where Tuscany is
well one or two) and they were never basement bargains including Feb half-term but as you can see they are below Ryanair average.Good news re SAS Arlanda
Pete
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Re BHX-ARN
Daza.
Looking at OP's figs I was beginning to think that SK had a potentially successful new route on their hands. Those timings look absolutely terrible. When is the route cut to three a week ?
Not a traveller but just out of interest.
CAT III
Looking at OP's figs I was beginning to think that SK had a potentially successful new route on their hands. Those timings look absolutely terrible. When is the route cut to three a week ?
Not a traveller but just out of interest.
CAT III
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Plane addict, re Air Transat,
Unfortunately they have amended it further th season also finishes earlier as well.
There are now only 4 UK airports left that Air Transat operate from, MAN,LGW,GLA,BHX.
All the others apart from BHX are now daily to Toronto,and also operate 2 flts to Calgary and Vancouver. LGW has other destinations like Edmonton too.
BHX therefore just has the 1 piddly flight with no TS base station, so a TS add on.
Therefore unless we get flts to Vancouver and Calgary once our runway extension is opened, to add to Toronto,think BHX is very vulnerable now to getting the chop.
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Nigel
Unfortunately they have amended it further th season also finishes earlier as well.
There are now only 4 UK airports left that Air Transat operate from, MAN,LGW,GLA,BHX.
All the others apart from BHX are now daily to Toronto,and also operate 2 flts to Calgary and Vancouver. LGW has other destinations like Edmonton too.
BHX therefore just has the 1 piddly flight with no TS base station, so a TS add on.
Therefore unless we get flts to Vancouver and Calgary once our runway extension is opened, to add to Toronto,think BHX is very vulnerable now to getting the chop.
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Pisa/TS
Pisa
Obviously my memory isn't as good as it used to be as I was quite surprised to see that FR operated PSA year round. It would be good to have it back on a seasonal basis, perhaps a route for MON to pick up.
TS
The other concern is that the A310's are going soon and if they're already pulling the A330 off the route then I have to agree the future doesn't look good. As the loads are always high I can only assume the yields don't match up.
Obviously my memory isn't as good as it used to be as I was quite surprised to see that FR operated PSA year round. It would be good to have it back on a seasonal basis, perhaps a route for MON to pick up.
TS
The other concern is that the A310's are going soon and if they're already pulling the A330 off the route then I have to agree the future doesn't look good. As the loads are always high I can only assume the yields don't match up.
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CAA Stats
Planeaddict
CAA link
UK Airport Statistics | Aviation Intelligence | About the CAA
The passenger figures are to the right accessed by clicking the year/month you want and this leads to a list of various stats and passenger figures are under the heading "Intl Air Pax Traffic Route Analysis" link.
The number of rotations are found on the first link above under the heading "UK Punctuality Statistics". This leads you to each year and after that you select your chosen month.
UK Punctuality Statistics: 2012 | Aviation Intelligence | About the CAA
If you want September 2012 you click the link headed - "201209FullAnalysisArrDep"
For load factor you go to various sources for seat plans such as planespotters.net seatgure etc.
Of course any airline using moveable business class curtains can only be estimated as often the middle seat is left empty and in theory not bookable on some short-haul full service routes.
CATIII-NDB
Originally summer 2013 was released at three a week starting the end of March - Monday lunch, Wednesday lunch and Sunday late evening, which doesn't need me to explain how bad this schedule was before it changed in the last few days to show six a week from the end of March albeit a rather late arrival time in Stockholm.
However it is currently operating at three a week, Sunday, Monday and Friday, then Thursday is added back in the first week in February and Wednesday in the first week in March.
It has been a mess of a schedule since late December but I assume bookings have been light but at least they seem to be giving it time. Still a pity that they don't have the CRJ9 based in Stockholm as going from nothing to a 737 is quite a leap for such a destination.
Pete
CAA link
UK Airport Statistics | Aviation Intelligence | About the CAA
The passenger figures are to the right accessed by clicking the year/month you want and this leads to a list of various stats and passenger figures are under the heading "Intl Air Pax Traffic Route Analysis" link.
The number of rotations are found on the first link above under the heading "UK Punctuality Statistics". This leads you to each year and after that you select your chosen month.
UK Punctuality Statistics: 2012 | Aviation Intelligence | About the CAA
If you want September 2012 you click the link headed - "201209FullAnalysisArrDep"
For load factor you go to various sources for seat plans such as planespotters.net seatgure etc.
Of course any airline using moveable business class curtains can only be estimated as often the middle seat is left empty and in theory not bookable on some short-haul full service routes.
CATIII-NDB
Originally summer 2013 was released at three a week starting the end of March - Monday lunch, Wednesday lunch and Sunday late evening, which doesn't need me to explain how bad this schedule was before it changed in the last few days to show six a week from the end of March albeit a rather late arrival time in Stockholm.
However it is currently operating at three a week, Sunday, Monday and Friday, then Thursday is added back in the first week in February and Wednesday in the first week in March.
It has been a mess of a schedule since late December but I assume bookings have been light but at least they seem to be giving it time. Still a pity that they don't have the CRJ9 based in Stockholm as going from nothing to a 737 is quite a leap for such a destination.
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Nigel
The airline must think lowly of BHX if they are offering GLA daily flights and year round and seasonal flights to Vancouver and Calgary. I presume the demand is there - I'm sure many other services at BHX don't perform as well yet are Xx weekly rotations. As mentioned, future doesn't look good unless another airline possibly pitches in (not sure how it would help the airline though...). Maybe it's all down to the lack of business passengers.
The airline must think lowly of BHX if they are offering GLA daily flights and year round and seasonal flights to Vancouver and Calgary. I presume the demand is there - I'm sure many other services at BHX don't perform as well yet are Xx weekly rotations. As mentioned, future doesn't look good unless another airline possibly pitches in (not sure how it would help the airline though...). Maybe it's all down to the lack of business passengers.
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Thanks Pete
No criticism. Pete. Daza I mean you too.
My ignorance more like:
The whole thing underlines the fragility of the traffic base - both ways.
Really for a lot of reasons a city of 1 million should support a daily connection to a 1st world nation like Sweden.
Thanks
CAT III
My ignorance more like:
The whole thing underlines the fragility of the traffic base - both ways.
Really for a lot of reasons a city of 1 million should support a daily connection to a 1st world nation like Sweden.
Thanks
CAT III
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Planeaddict re Air Transat.
We need to remember that historically it was a mostly northern company ,Canadian Affair took over from Globespan which had operated many Canadian and US flights.They were based in Scotland.
Many years ago they even started doing a series of charter flts from Elmdon to New York using TWA 707s.Remember them coming in and us not having steps big enough at first for a 707, a crate was added on top of the steps.
Then Fly Globespan came along based in Scotland.They went bust. Canadian Affair then came along and followed the same formula.
Im really not sure about yield being an issue. The A310/330s they use only have a small number of Premium economy seats and nothing more glamorous. Their economy seat prices if you look are the same as other airports,so if you are filling the plane not sure where the extra yield would kick in ??
More like no crew base at BHX with just 1 flt a week.
Nigel
We need to remember that historically it was a mostly northern company ,Canadian Affair took over from Globespan which had operated many Canadian and US flights.They were based in Scotland.
Many years ago they even started doing a series of charter flts from Elmdon to New York using TWA 707s.Remember them coming in and us not having steps big enough at first for a 707, a crate was added on top of the steps.
Then Fly Globespan came along based in Scotland.They went bust. Canadian Affair then came along and followed the same formula.
Im really not sure about yield being an issue. The A310/330s they use only have a small number of Premium economy seats and nothing more glamorous. Their economy seat prices if you look are the same as other airports,so if you are filling the plane not sure where the extra yield would kick in ??
More like no crew base at BHX with just 1 flt a week.
Nigel