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Do what us old 'uns used to do, and get on your bike, go down to the 'drome and find out!!!
Trouble with tinternet is that everyone thinks they can find out everything without ever leaving the comfort of their living rooms!
Do what us old 'uns used to do, and get on your bike, go down to the 'drome and find out!!!
Trouble with tinternet is that everyone thinks they can find out everything without ever leaving the comfort of their living rooms!
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Do what us old 'uns used to do, and get on your bike, go down to the 'drome and find out!!!
Trouble with tinternet is that everyone thinks they can find out everything without ever leaving the comfort of their living rooms!
Trouble with tinternet is that everyone thinks they can find out everything without ever leaving the comfort of their living rooms!
Regarding these new flight paths once the runway is done, I doubt it'll make much of an impact to those taking off from 33 (am I right?).
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Do what us old 'uns used to do, and get on your bike, go down to the 'drome and find out!!!
Trouble with tinternet is that everyone thinks they can find out everything without ever leaving the comfort of their living rooms!
Trouble with tinternet is that everyone thinks they can find out everything without ever leaving the comfort of their living rooms!
What's the internet for then? In these temperatures some may quite rightly be just a tad reluctant to get on their bike and ride (possibly a long ride) only to be disappointed. However, it might indeed be wiser for Planeaddict to ask these type of questions on a dedicated Birmingham spotters website. 
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It was a metaphorical bike, and that is really what I was trying to imply!!
ask these type of questions on a dedicated Birmingham spotters website
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Transport Select Committee
This is very interesting..
Follow this link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/21024439
Transport committee looking at Aviation Strategy
The first bit is the London guys.
Usual stuff from them although it was interesting they could not come up with specific companies that had been lost because LHR is full..
From about 40:30 minutes Jerry BLackett Chair of Birmingham Chamber of commerce group, as well as Manchester Liverpool and Scotland representatives.
47:15 The Spelthorne MP (1 mile south of Heathrow) interrupts then asks the key question.. Why if Birmingham has 50% capacity do the airlines not go there.
Jerry states that he meets Directors everyday wanting to go to places direct from Birmingham.. and that evern if LHGR is the answer it is letting us down.
53:15 The discussion is around how the UK (London) is promoted at the moment and how it hinders the regional airports.
Remember £50Billion (to build boris island) buys you a lot of marketing abroad promoting the regional airports..
There is a lot of evidence in this, that there is demand for Birmingham and the regions for direct flights to the rest of the world, and it is more how the regions are or are not promoted that is the cause of the problem.
57:15 Redditch MP asks the HS2 question..
58:15 Hs2 gives you options to reduce the pressure and stress on the overheated SE
106:15 Manchester rep raises APD debate..
107:30 Bi-lateral agreements..
1:11 Hub/ or Hubs debate some good points made here especially around why only have 1 hub and Frankfurt only being 30% of the external German market..
1:23 Summary Jerry Promote regional airports as part of the Government overseas promotion..APD was raised again.
It was a reasoned debate that addressed some of the points that are always made on here why we can have more flights in the regions..
You can tell I was busy today.. lol
Adie
Follow this link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/21024439
Transport committee looking at Aviation Strategy
The first bit is the London guys.
Usual stuff from them although it was interesting they could not come up with specific companies that had been lost because LHR is full..
From about 40:30 minutes Jerry BLackett Chair of Birmingham Chamber of commerce group, as well as Manchester Liverpool and Scotland representatives.
47:15 The Spelthorne MP (1 mile south of Heathrow) interrupts then asks the key question.. Why if Birmingham has 50% capacity do the airlines not go there.
Jerry states that he meets Directors everyday wanting to go to places direct from Birmingham.. and that evern if LHGR is the answer it is letting us down.
53:15 The discussion is around how the UK (London) is promoted at the moment and how it hinders the regional airports.
Remember £50Billion (to build boris island) buys you a lot of marketing abroad promoting the regional airports..
There is a lot of evidence in this, that there is demand for Birmingham and the regions for direct flights to the rest of the world, and it is more how the regions are or are not promoted that is the cause of the problem.
57:15 Redditch MP asks the HS2 question..
58:15 Hs2 gives you options to reduce the pressure and stress on the overheated SE
106:15 Manchester rep raises APD debate..
107:30 Bi-lateral agreements..
1:11 Hub/ or Hubs debate some good points made here especially around why only have 1 hub and Frankfurt only being 30% of the external German market..
1:23 Summary Jerry Promote regional airports as part of the Government overseas promotion..APD was raised again.
It was a reasoned debate that addressed some of the points that are always made on here why we can have more flights in the regions..
You can tell I was busy today.. lol
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December pax up 4.5% and 2012 UP 3.6%
Sourc: CAA Provisional pax
December 2012 531963 +4.5% - rolling year 8916209 +3.6%
ATM's - December 5520 -0.3% - rolling year 84090 +0.3%
December was still below 2005-2009 but better than 2004 but not 2003
Pete
December 2012 531963 +4.5% - rolling year 8916209 +3.6%
ATM's - December 5520 -0.3% - rolling year 84090 +0.3%
December was still below 2005-2009 but better than 2004 but not 2003
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CAA Stats Dec / 2012 full year
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Good news indeed after a tough trading year - lets hope the upward trend continues and that BHX returns to 9million+ pax this year.
Apart from SPU and BOD are there any other credible route rumours for 2013? Are SK sticking with ARN?
Apart from SPU and BOD are there any other credible route rumours for 2013? Are SK sticking with ARN?
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Gayfriendly re TOM 787.
I think you might be right ,the summer 2014 brochures will be out March/April.You would certainly expect a B787 from BHX, if EMA,NCL have some, as more are being delivered for 2014.
I am hoping BHX marketing have been working hard on Thomson Holidays to come up with a new direct long haul destination to tie in with the new runway extension opening.
If its still a 767 then I would imagine some very red faces at BHX !
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I think you might be right ,the summer 2014 brochures will be out March/April.You would certainly expect a B787 from BHX, if EMA,NCL have some, as more are being delivered for 2014.
I am hoping BHX marketing have been working hard on Thomson Holidays to come up with a new direct long haul destination to tie in with the new runway extension opening.
If its still a 767 then I would imagine some very red faces at BHX !
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I am hoping BHX marketing have been working hard on Thomson Holidays to come up with a new direct long haul destination to tie in with the new runway extension opening.
Apart from SPU and BOD are there any other credible route rumours for 2013? Are SK sticking with ARN?
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Plane Addict,
yes a 380 of Emirates is also possible for the opening..
The way things are, BHX might polish down a Ryan Air 738 for the launch to keep Ryan Air happy 
Not sure how any Air Algerie service would work , we have a very small Algerian population in Brum ,and as it would be a service put on due to slot restrictions at LHR, most would want to go to London not BHX.
Surely Luton would be a better option closer to LHR. I can see more and more short/medium range flts going to Luton instead of LHR once they have more stands. They only have El Al at present.
Nigel
yes a 380 of Emirates is also possible for the opening..
The way things are, BHX might polish down a Ryan Air 738 for the launch to keep Ryan Air happy
Not sure how any Air Algerie service would work , we have a very small Algerian population in Brum ,and as it would be a service put on due to slot restrictions at LHR, most would want to go to London not BHX.
Surely Luton would be a better option closer to LHR. I can see more and more short/medium range flts going to Luton instead of LHR once they have more stands. They only have El Al at present.
Nigel
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Regions demand better air links to boost UK economy - www.travelweekly.co.uk
Now without wishing to carry on this debate too much, surely members of the Manchester and Birmingham chambers should know why airlines don't operate to the regions?
A good example of this is BA have tried and tested JFK over the years and it hasn't worked. Not only BHX but LGW as well. If it worked then they would operate it. (I'm not talking about dodgy operators to India either!)
Now without wishing to carry on this debate too much, surely members of the Manchester and Birmingham chambers should know why airlines don't operate to the regions?
A good example of this is BA have tried and tested JFK over the years and it hasn't worked. Not only BHX but LGW as well. If it worked then they would operate it. (I'm not talking about dodgy operators to India either!)
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Sorry Crewmeal
You are talking cobblers.....
BA and Virgin do not wish to dilute there service from the UK, why would they. In the past they forced everybody into London either by car from Birmingham or Shuttle from Manchester, NI, Scotland etc.
Certainly at Manchester they have have come badly unstuck, as I understand it QR, EK , Eithad are all full so they are losing a massive amounts of traffic.
Not sure about BHX because it does tend to suffer by the location of Heathrow and Manchester but certainly in the NWest there us clearly lots of money to be made......
You are talking cobblers.....
BA and Virgin do not wish to dilute there service from the UK, why would they. In the past they forced everybody into London either by car from Birmingham or Shuttle from Manchester, NI, Scotland etc.
Certainly at Manchester they have have come badly unstuck, as I understand it QR, EK , Eithad are all full so they are losing a massive amounts of traffic.
Not sure about BHX because it does tend to suffer by the location of Heathrow and Manchester but certainly in the NWest there us clearly lots of money to be made......
Sorry Crewmeal
You are talking cobblers.....
You are talking cobblers.....
The term 'use it or loose it' has been tried and tested at BHX on more than one occasion.
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I can see a flight from BHX to Hannover RR5014 (Royal Air Force), code share with Air Berlin AB3714 departing 11.50am today.
Obviously not a public flight and a bit of research shows that it is a regular service 3x weekly. I guess its obviously linking with one of the UK bases in Germany but am a little surprised why BHX is being used?
Obviously not a public flight and a bit of research shows that it is a regular service 3x weekly. I guess its obviously linking with one of the UK bases in Germany but am a little surprised why BHX is being used?
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