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Good point Ringwayman, but look what's the govt has in store:
Passengers could face congestion charge at Gatwick and Heathrow - Telegraph
What difference would this make I wonder? Why penalise people for using for using the UK's 2 major airports?
Passengers could face congestion charge at Gatwick and Heathrow - Telegraph
What difference would this make I wonder? Why penalise people for using for using the UK's 2 major airports?
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Turkish flies 10 times a week - I suspect it doesn't operate that
frequently from LHR or MAN but I may be wrong
frequently from LHR or MAN but I may be wrong
MAN is 10 weekly, rising to 2 daily from March using a mix of A321/B737-900 and B737-800.
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Turkish flies 10 times a week - I suspect it doesn't operate that frequently from LHR or MAN but I may be wrong.
departures at 0755, 1140, 1600, 1610 and 2230. 3 x A321, 1 x A330 and 1 x A340. The 1600 = A321 and 1610= A340
Still 5 daily in April with "better" timings - 3 x A321 and 2 x A330
MAN is going double daily from summer and TK have been floating comments about going 3 daily in the medium term.
The "congestion charge" is the wrong way of approaching the matter. I'd prefer it if APD got eliminated for the regions as that is more "problematic" for airlines, so anything that allows airlines to carry more passengers on these services would be welcome.
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TK go 10 weekly between 1/4 and 30/9 ex BHX, 2 daily will be Mo/Th/Su
Man goes 2 daily from 31/3 to end of end of Oct at least and as we know TK
send what ever they want on routes
Chaps
TK go 10 weekly between 1/4 and 30/9 ex BHX, 2 daily will be Mo/Th/Su
Man goes 2 daily from 31/3 to end of end of Oct at least and as we know TK
send what ever they want on routes
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BHX marketing are in talks with many airlines a lot of the time.Quite common to see airline reps visiting the airport to be shown around, thats what they do for a living.Virgin for example sent a team to BHX quite recently.
Similarly airlines send their reps out to many airports around the World.
So you cannot tell just from talks who is serious about coming until they are announced.
After their BHX visit(not linked) for example Virgin joined British Airways saying they had no intention of flying from BHX..no doubt however they will be invited back to BHX again soon.
I suspect BHX will be hoping for more serious talks with Qatar and Easy Jet.However there are only so many times you can say the same thing to any airline if they are not interested.
Sure we wish BHX marketing and route development team all their best in their efforts to gain new airlines and routes in these challenging times
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BHX marketing are in talks with many airlines a lot of the time.Quite common to see airline reps visiting the airport to be shown around, thats what they do for a living.Virgin for example sent a team to BHX quite recently.
Similarly airlines send their reps out to many airports around the World.
So you cannot tell just from talks who is serious about coming until they are announced.
After their BHX visit(not linked) for example Virgin joined British Airways saying they had no intention of flying from BHX..no doubt however they will be invited back to BHX again soon.
I suspect BHX will be hoping for more serious talks with Qatar and Easy Jet.However there are only so many times you can say the same thing to any airline if they are not interested.
Sure we wish BHX marketing and route development team all their best in their efforts to gain new airlines and routes in these challenging times
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A statistic there I didn't know about - TK operate out of LHR & MAN a lot more often than BHX. However, would they ever try the A332 to BHX?
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I agree with the fact you can't really get an idea of who will operate unless the respective routes are officially announced. Qatar confirmed they would operate from BHX back in July - it should have begun later that year if that was going to be the case. I think what the situation is - either BHX is purpously well-down their list or they are waiting for deliveries of new aircraft.
Can't imagine VA operating from here especially with the amount of flights they operate out of LGW, LHR and MAN. Would they really want to start a fourth UK destination (after the runway is completed)?
Would be nice if a carrier which doesn't already operate at any other UK airport chooses BHX as their first UK destination and focuses on their ops here. There are many Asian airlines for them to choose from for that matter.
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I agree with the fact you can't really get an idea of who will operate unless the respective routes are officially announced. Qatar confirmed they would operate from BHX back in July - it should have begun later that year if that was going to be the case. I think what the situation is - either BHX is purpously well-down their list or they are waiting for deliveries of new aircraft.
Can't imagine VA operating from here especially with the amount of flights they operate out of LGW, LHR and MAN. Would they really want to start a fourth UK destination (after the runway is completed)?
Would be nice if a carrier which doesn't already operate at any other UK airport chooses BHX as their first UK destination and focuses on their ops here. There are many Asian airlines for them to choose from for that matter.
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Could maybe see VS try BHX 'GLA style' with 1/2 weekly Orlando flights in the summer and maybe a Barbados in the winter, although VS lack suitable aircraft for anything more than that as the 747's have too many seats and the Leisure A330's are being reconfigured and will end up too premium-heavy for such routes.
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I suspect BHX will be hoping for more serious talks with Qatar and Easy Jet.However there are only so many times you can say the same thing to any airline if they are not interested.
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Why would TK try the A332 if they are only now bumping up frequency to 10 weekly? It would defeat their objective of building up the IST hub...the increase in capacity would make up for the 2nd service. They also operate to EDI and LGW.
Virgin already operate out of Glasgow to Orlando up to twice a week so BHX would be the 5th UK departure point for them.
Virgin already operate out of Glasgow to Orlando up to twice a week so BHX would be the 5th UK departure point for them.
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If VA were to start BHX, I guess it would be a once weekly service to Orlando on an A330 (can't think of any other aircraft that would be suitable).
Anyone know how well in loads (or yields if they'll be relevant here) the Toronto leg of the Air India service did?
Air Canada Rouge (simply a budget version of Air Canada) are starting EDI in July. No idea of the chances of them coming here but a service to the likes of Vancouver would be worth a try.
Anyone know how well in loads (or yields if they'll be relevant here) the Toronto leg of the Air India service did?
Air Canada Rouge (simply a budget version of Air Canada) are starting EDI in July. No idea of the chances of them coming here but a service to the likes of Vancouver would be worth a try.
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Just so we get things straight; I wasn't for a minute suggesting BHX were in talks with Cathay, I was merely making light of the fact the airport seems to be constantly talking about attracting long haul carriers at a time when they should probably be looking at more realistic short haul markets that they are sorely lacking.
Regarding US Airways; you say they couldn't be bothered to last more than one season. Perhaps we should be grateful they tried in the first place. Sadly it proved that BHX cannot sustain two transatlantic services and the truth of the matter is BHX's market isn't enough keep a daily service throughout the winter.
And Turkish? Why oh why would they send an A330 to BHX????
These are things you've been told on this and another forum so why do you feel the need to keep asking the same questions over and over again? You won't get a different answer.
Just so we get things straight; I wasn't for a minute suggesting BHX were in talks with Cathay, I was merely making light of the fact the airport seems to be constantly talking about attracting long haul carriers at a time when they should probably be looking at more realistic short haul markets that they are sorely lacking.
Regarding US Airways; you say they couldn't be bothered to last more than one season. Perhaps we should be grateful they tried in the first place. Sadly it proved that BHX cannot sustain two transatlantic services and the truth of the matter is BHX's market isn't enough keep a daily service throughout the winter.
And Turkish? Why oh why would they send an A330 to BHX????
These are things you've been told on this and another forum so why do you feel the need to keep asking the same questions over and over again? You won't get a different answer.
Perhaps he gets 100 nectar points for every post! Seriously planeaddict try reading through the forums and stop guessing at what might come into Brum. Look at the bigger financial picture. Imagine it from a business point. Imagine you run a carrier and you were responsible to your board and shareholders. How would you determine whether to fly from A to B? Pretty tails? Longer runway? Nice big aeroplanes? In another way would you open a sweet shop in the middle of a country lane?
What you would like to happen and what does are two entirely different things. The best you can hope for is an odd diversion this coming week with the snow forecast.
What you would like to happen and what does are two entirely different things. The best you can hope for is an odd diversion this coming week with the snow forecast.
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Turkish are very reactive and swap aircraft round as needed, MAN has had quite a few A330 over the years usually term start/finish for uni when there are a lot of students here at Manchester travelling
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Turkish are very reactive and swap aircraft round as needed, MAN has had quite a few A330 over the years usually term start/finish for uni when there are a lot of students here at Manchester travelling
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Plane addict,
Yes think you are right on the latter point about Qatar, we are not a priority. They announced some time ago there intention to fly into BHX along with other UK airports.
The fact that they named us but not the others probably means they are serious. However since then they have announced other airports around the World with start dates.
China Pattern. I think it is VERY likely BHX will see TK A330s in BHX.They have put them on MAN services when demand requires. In BHX case it would only be for a big NEC exhibitions,or sporting events though.
Re US Airways, well as is so often the case at BHX,it was started at the wrong time in the middle of a recession.One day the UK economy will pick up and they might try again.
In relation to Virgin agree that Orlando and perhaps a Vegas would work from BHX...but they are in the process of refitting all their leisure A330s into 3 class machines..and BHX doesn't do long haul 3 class,so who knows.
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Yes think you are right on the latter point about Qatar, we are not a priority. They announced some time ago there intention to fly into BHX along with other UK airports.
The fact that they named us but not the others probably means they are serious. However since then they have announced other airports around the World with start dates.
China Pattern. I think it is VERY likely BHX will see TK A330s in BHX.They have put them on MAN services when demand requires. In BHX case it would only be for a big NEC exhibitions,or sporting events though.
Re US Airways, well as is so often the case at BHX,it was started at the wrong time in the middle of a recession.One day the UK economy will pick up and they might try again.
In relation to Virgin agree that Orlando and perhaps a Vegas would work from BHX...but they are in the process of refitting all their leisure A330s into 3 class machines..and BHX doesn't do long haul 3 class,so who knows.
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I think it is VERY likely BHX will see TK A330s in BHX.They have put them on MAN services when demand requires. In BHX case it would only be for a big NEC exhibitions,or sporting events though.
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Birmingham cannot support 2 daily flights, to the usa h'mmm interesting. In the 1990s if my memory serve's me correct didnt BHX have 2 daily fights to the US both to new york and chicago running over a number of years. BHX was smaller in passenger through put at that time. I know 9/11 had change the situation, and now we are in the deepest dowturn since the depression. Personnel i think the demand is there, but customers are using LHR and Man, since there is not much choice at bhx at present. There must many other factors to, thus why the runway is being extended. Also just to ad the us airways pulled the bhx route, they also pulled LGW and a number of other airports, due to the economic downturn, it was not Bhx specifically!!
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The clue is both BA and AA pulled out. More relevant when CO tried double daily it wasn't a success even though the route used to be a DC10. US tried one season and never came back. Given AA have virtually pulled out of Europe to concentrate on LHR, US got burnt and CO/UA can't make more capacity work that only leaves DL who pulled EDI-ATL/JFK, MAN-JFK and even LGW-ATL in recent years. For all the talk of Chicago, I can only see it if BHX pay United to fly the route for the first year!
btw US are pulling LGW as just like DL last year, they have gained the slots to move the route to LHR.
There is a tendency to fixate on sexier routes rather than bread and butter. How much impact on the bottom line is one more B757 sized rotation a day going to make versus a new fleet of based Jet2 for instance?
btw US are pulling LGW as just like DL last year, they have gained the slots to move the route to LHR.
There is a tendency to fixate on sexier routes rather than bread and butter. How much impact on the bottom line is one more B757 sized rotation a day going to make versus a new fleet of based Jet2 for instance?
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Yes agree with what you are saying in principle, it is interesting to add that AA service to chicago from BHX had limitations on it as regards to weight it could carry, and it was even reported that baggage had to be left behind due to the wieght limitations on some days when it was hot!! (correct me if im wrong?). Cargo was very limited to, which contributed to the problem of making the service viable!! The runway extension should allow more wieght to be carried! So there might be some future possibilities. CO should never have gone double daily, i think they would of being better of using a bigger aircraft on the route instead. As i mention before US airways had ceased operations out of number of airports about the same time as BHX, due to the economic downturn. Also you cant establish a transatlantic service in 5 months!!! it takes time and money! , which in this climate airlines dont have!!!
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TOM Dreamliner??
NCL now has the 787 scheduled from 1/4/14 to CUN (on First Choice website). Still no sign of it at BHX: without wanting to sound like some of the other fantasists on here, do you think TOM are holding back a combined 787 and new routes announcement for BHX to tie in with the opening of the runway extension?