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I agree, its obvious the passenger numbers at the moment cant sustain both services. Its more likely that the train service will continue without the bus link, as it will still serve Rhoose. Arriva and FGW should connect to bus services in Cardiff Central-CWL to avoid any confusion and stranded pax in Rhoose. The bus service from Cardiff-CWL is more likely to be cut if the rail link service continues.
Its best not to over compensate, and concentrate on the one good service as Phileas said.
CWL is going through a period of flights arriving and departing at certain times of the day, rather than evenly throughout the day. Some creative planning to fit the peak periods of the day would be perfect.
The X91 could pick up the rest of the slack. The X91 also goes via Rhoose, could this service not be diverted to meet the train? Passengers would need to pay to get to CWL from Rhoose, which will be cheaper than a taxi and also extra revenue for X91.
Its best not to over compensate, and concentrate on the one good service as Phileas said.
CWL is going through a period of flights arriving and departing at certain times of the day, rather than evenly throughout the day. Some creative planning to fit the peak periods of the day would be perfect.
The X91 could pick up the rest of the slack. The X91 also goes via Rhoose, could this service not be diverted to meet the train? Passengers would need to pay to get to CWL from Rhoose, which will be cheaper than a taxi and also extra revenue for X91.
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Cardiff Airport advertisment
I am in complete shock, I have just seen an advert for Vueling by Cardiff Airport in my local newspaper. I am going to have a lie down and hope when I wakeup it isn't for Bristol. Seriously though in the last two weeks I have heard advertisements on the radio for flights from Cardiff to Florida and TUI flights. Perhaps Cardiff have at long last realised that they need to fight to get the airport back on it feet and take its competitors head on. That together with the first Minister saying that Cardiff Airport needs to sort its self out maybe the jolt that is needed for the long road to recovery. 
The only odds thing that I have seen is the intent of the Vale of Glamorgan to run the railway line into Cardiff Airport at a cost of 15 million. But perhaps it would be used for Freight and passengers.
Vueling are also opening new bases in Europe (Nantes etc) it certainly would change things for Cardiff if they resulted in flights. Bookings I hear are very promising.
The only odds thing that I have seen is the intent of the Vale of Glamorgan to run the railway line into Cardiff Airport at a cost of 15 million. But perhaps it would be used for Freight and passengers.
Vueling are also opening new bases in Europe (Nantes etc) it certainly would change things for Cardiff if they resulted in flights. Bookings I hear are very promising.
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Adverts for the new route can be found on the Wales Online homepage, several bus stops around Cardiff City Center, Stagecoach buses (Merthyr Tydfil, Pontypridd, Bristol bus station), Taxi cabs around Cardiff, Railway stations (Cardiff Central, Queen Street, Swansea, Newport, Bristol Parkway) to name a few.
It does look as if phase two of the advertising campaign is setting off.
Cardiff Airport sponsored a Travel Daily UK event named Thursty Thirsday. This event provided the opportunity for local travel trade, hoteliers etc to meet up and discuss with Vueling. This is the 2nd event of it's kind in Cardiff with the previous one hosting Aer Lingus, Air France, Helvetic, Flybe, etc.
Cardiff Airport local management are trying their hardest to attract new airlines.
It does look as if phase two of the advertising campaign is setting off.
Cardiff Airport sponsored a Travel Daily UK event named Thursty Thirsday. This event provided the opportunity for local travel trade, hoteliers etc to meet up and discuss with Vueling. This is the 2nd event of it's kind in Cardiff with the previous one hosting Aer Lingus, Air France, Helvetic, Flybe, etc.
Cardiff Airport local management are trying their hardest to attract new airlines.
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French Rugby Fans arrived in their thousand yesterday through Cardiff Airport. The airport handled almost 30 extra flights yesterday (excluding business jet).
French rugby fans begin to arrive at Cardiff Airport - Read article
Today seen more arrivals however considerably smaller aircraft and up to 10 extra flights and some of which will depart this evening.
This is the calm before the storm as near 30 extra flights will take the french rugby fans back to France tomorrow.
Calm before the storm - Read article
French rugby fans begin to arrive at Cardiff Airport - Read article
Today seen more arrivals however considerably smaller aircraft and up to 10 extra flights and some of which will depart this evening.
This is the calm before the storm as near 30 extra flights will take the french rugby fans back to France tomorrow.
Calm before the storm - Read article
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30 extra charter flights may not mean much to you however take into consideration the loss of almost 1 million passengers in the last 4 years along with one of our quietest winters in many years.
This airlift is one of the busiests in a few years too and you fail to appreciate the hard work of the airport, handling agents and many other companies who put in a lot of hard work and effort to show what we are capable of.
In total it is almost two to three times the normal flights and passenger volumes that are handled on a normal day.
30 extra charter flights may not mean much to you however take into consideration the loss of almost 1 million passengers in the last 4 years along with one of our quietest winters in many years.
This airlift is one of the busiests in a few years too and you fail to appreciate the hard work of the airport, handling agents and many other companies who put in a lot of hard work and effort to show what we are capable of.
In total it is almost two to three times the normal flights and passenger volumes that are handled on a normal day.
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Near hysteria in the press of a 24 hour increase in movements to a level which should embarrass any self respecting regional airport is nothing to cheer about. Neither is getting fag ends off the Spanish or the Poles LoCo's. Disregarding the IT players there is little to attract any business traffic to CWL until an economic revival takes place or an airline sets up a proper base to replace Baby. Or, of course, the Welsh Assembly and the Owners see the light and sell the place off to the builders, BA and the IT planes go off to St Athan and we all live happily ever after! 
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Nice to see an old gem news report. Must be the 20th time the Western Mail have essentially reported the same story. 
Cardiff-New York air route worth £200m a year to Wales, report reveals - Wales News - News - WalesOnline
My opinion is the same as before, pie in the sky thinking. New York wont happen unless the South Wales economy and Cardiff Airport have major overhauls in a positive direction.
If you want Cardiff to be successful on business routes then Frankfurt, Brussels and extra frequencies to Paris are what is needed. All of which are rather unlikely in this economic climate. KLM going back to four daily would be a start, remembering KLM connections open South Wales to the world.
Cardiff-New York air route worth £200m a year to Wales, report reveals - Wales News - News - WalesOnline
Cardiff-New York air route worth £200m a year to Wales, report says.
A DIRECT flight service between Cardiff and New York could increase North American investment in Wales by more than £200m a year, a previously undisclosed Welsh Government report has revealed.
The document also shows a four-times-a-week transatlantic link has the potential to increase Welsh exports to North America by some £42.7m a year.
The figures are based on the assumption that the introduction of a service between Cardiff and New York would bring an extra 10,000 business visitors to Wales annually.
The 2009 report – produced for the Welsh Government by the University of Glamorgan’s Wales Transport Research Centre – was obtained by the Echo using the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act.
According to the paper, Wales receives more than 100,000 business visitors from North America per year who spend between £37m and £73m. But, its says, more important than this direct spending is the “business and investment opportunities that these visitors bring”.
“The Welsh economy is suffering because it is so difficult to travel from Wales to any of the major European and global economic hubs like New York, Frankfurt, Paris, Barcelona and further afield.
A DIRECT flight service between Cardiff and New York could increase North American investment in Wales by more than £200m a year, a previously undisclosed Welsh Government report has revealed.
The document also shows a four-times-a-week transatlantic link has the potential to increase Welsh exports to North America by some £42.7m a year.
The figures are based on the assumption that the introduction of a service between Cardiff and New York would bring an extra 10,000 business visitors to Wales annually.
The 2009 report – produced for the Welsh Government by the University of Glamorgan’s Wales Transport Research Centre – was obtained by the Echo using the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act.
According to the paper, Wales receives more than 100,000 business visitors from North America per year who spend between £37m and £73m. But, its says, more important than this direct spending is the “business and investment opportunities that these visitors bring”.
“The Welsh economy is suffering because it is so difficult to travel from Wales to any of the major European and global economic hubs like New York, Frankfurt, Paris, Barcelona and further afield.
If you want Cardiff to be successful on business routes then Frankfurt, Brussels and extra frequencies to Paris are what is needed. All of which are rather unlikely in this economic climate. KLM going back to four daily would be a start, remembering KLM connections open South Wales to the world.
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Carwyn Jones, the Wales First Minister, is setting up a group to look at the future of CWL.
He wants owners Abertis either to invest in the airport or sell it.
The first minister believes that CWL can overtake BRS, which he sees as its nearest rival, and become a world-class airport.
First Minister sets up new group to boost Cardiff Airport - Wales News - News - WalesOnline
He wants owners Abertis either to invest in the airport or sell it.
The first minister believes that CWL can overtake BRS, which he sees as its nearest rival, and become a world-class airport.
First Minister sets up new group to boost Cardiff Airport - Wales News - News - WalesOnline
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I feel that this group is only being created due to his comments in recent weeks slating the airport. I imagine that having a pop at one of Wales' infrastructure has won him any popularity contests.
Some pressure groups in support of Cardiff Airport have been persuing the need for a team Wales approach bringing the airport, Welsh Government, CBI etc aroudn a table to discuss the future.
Carwyn Jones has continued to mention sale of the airport so i'm afraid he will come to the table in the wrong frame of mind. He is not fully aware of the situations impacting the airport which some are due to knock on effect from the Welsh Government policies.
Some pressure groups in support of Cardiff Airport have been persuing the need for a team Wales approach bringing the airport, Welsh Government, CBI etc aroudn a table to discuss the future.
Carwyn Jones has continued to mention sale of the airport so i'm afraid he will come to the table in the wrong frame of mind. He is not fully aware of the situations impacting the airport which some are due to knock on effect from the Welsh Government policies.
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The Vueling inaugural Cardiff to Barcelona flight has been cancelled due to the general strike planned in Spain for Thursday 29th March
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700,000 of Bristol's 5.7m passengers come from Wales
700,000 of Bristol's 5.7m passengers come from Wales. Cardiff saw just over 1.2m passengers last year. this is a disgrace the owners & management should take note and wake up to this kids could run it better
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Why is this a disgrace? The article goes on to say that Newport is about half way between Cardiff & Bristol. It's a choice, exactly the same as some one could make who lives half way between for example EMA or BHX / LBA or MAN / LHR or LGW / GLA or EDI.
Just because there happens to be a border (& an expensive bridge!) in between doesn't alter the basic principal.
We are in a recession & airlines really don't wish to take financial risks in the present climate. Against that backdrop I would suggest the addition of Vueling is a positive note & more than some regional airports have to shout about in 2012.
Just because there happens to be a border (& an expensive bridge!) in between doesn't alter the basic principal.
We are in a recession & airlines really don't wish to take financial risks in the present climate. Against that backdrop I would suggest the addition of Vueling is a positive note & more than some regional airports have to shout about in 2012.
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I confess, I don't know why this should be regarded as a disgrace either. All airports have some leakage. What is perhaps more worrying is that even adding the 700k to the existing passenger numbers at Cardiff, the total is less that the peak passenger numbers at Cardiff.
This may well prove Cardiff's problem - where is the market? Why has it shrunk?
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This may well prove Cardiff's problem - where is the market? Why has it shrunk?
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My view is, if Helvetic(Swiss) can't make the flight to Cardiff only work, KLM still fly the F70 regularly also - there is clearly a lacking demand from CWL for further outreach. I think much of that demand is near Europe and domestic UK, which is why BRS is thriving on it as it offers the direct options.
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First edition of Summer 2013 timetable out with some good news...
Changes:
LPA - Moves from Monday evening (18:35) to Monday morning (07:30)
IBZ - Increases from 2 weekly to 3. Late Friday night flight makes a welcomed return, dep 22:45.
PMI - Increases from 3 weekly to 5 weekly. 2 new departures on Sunday at 17:40 and Tuesday at 22:40. Now 2 flights on a Tuesday.
BOD - Moves from Monday morning (07:35) to Monday evening (17:35). Swap with LPA.
DLM - Increases from 2 weekly to 3 weekly. Sunday rotation has reappeared with dep at 17:40.
MLA - No sign of it yet.
TCX - Some flights showing on TOM website, so currently set to be around for 2013.
Changes:
LPA - Moves from Monday evening (18:35) to Monday morning (07:30)
IBZ - Increases from 2 weekly to 3. Late Friday night flight makes a welcomed return, dep 22:45.
PMI - Increases from 3 weekly to 5 weekly. 2 new departures on Sunday at 17:40 and Tuesday at 22:40. Now 2 flights on a Tuesday.
BOD - Moves from Monday morning (07:35) to Monday evening (17:35). Swap with LPA.
DLM - Increases from 2 weekly to 3 weekly. Sunday rotation has reappeared with dep at 17:40.
MLA - No sign of it yet.
TCX - Some flights showing on TOM website, so currently set to be around for 2013.
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Far too many wannabies thinking they have the answers and inventing lobby groups, meetings, plans for blah blah blah, allways been the same in Wales, hot air and meetings to decide what will be in the next meeting. We seem to be good at that
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Well Loneranger, without one of these forums that you refer to, im quite sure that CWL would be without a major support group, which would further isolate the airport and its management. CWL is doing things right, they have attracted Vueling's first UK-BCN flight, over any other UK airport, although EDI and SOU are to operate in June. Then VY, announced new route launches to PMI and ALC, which have always been hugely popular at CWL ! Then, a few weeks back TOM announced that they were to increase capacity a little, along with the MON charters to SFB operating weekly in 2013. Along with 2L staying at CWL even though BRS loads are way better, all of these show that CWL is doing something right in the present economic climate, those who fail to see that i cannot speak for, but i can see along with the main welsh air forum that CWL is making slow and steady progress in the right direction.
You also have to bear in mind that South Wales is one of the most deprived areas in Europe, never mind the UK, so holidays and flights are far down the agenda for most families ! In spite of this, CWL still seems to be performing, not in line with expectations, but it is still grinding it out, and i can assure you that when the time is right, airlines will look at CWL with a closer attention to detail ! Time is of the essence.
You also have to bear in mind that South Wales is one of the most deprived areas in Europe, never mind the UK, so holidays and flights are far down the agenda for most families ! In spite of this, CWL still seems to be performing, not in line with expectations, but it is still grinding it out, and i can assure you that when the time is right, airlines will look at CWL with a closer attention to detail ! Time is of the essence.