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BE full summer 2012 schedule online and nothing different on this year, actually its a contraction on this summer with BHD down (even with WW off the route)... Anyone know if this is the final schedule or is there more to be released?
Alot of people were hoping that BE would be CWL's last chance...maybe not
Alot of people were hoping that BE would be CWL's last chance...maybe not
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This evening I was window shopping for AF/KL prices CWL/Asia/CWL for late October and was disappointed to find the cheapest KLM return fare to be GBP761.00.
Yet when window shopping the same route/dates from BHX the return fares became GBP75.00 cheaper at GBP686.00 yet if I choose to do an AF/KL combo via CDG & AMS (outward only) the return fare comes down to GBP620.30, GBP140.00 cheaper than CWL!
And the BRS fares are similar to the CWL fares, I'm just up the hill from CWL airport, I can literally spit at it from where I am, but at these prices I can see myself travelling from BHX, are the KLM flights from CWL/BRS so full that only the higher economy fares apply or are KLM trying to kill off their CWL & BRS routes?
Yet when window shopping the same route/dates from BHX the return fares became GBP75.00 cheaper at GBP686.00 yet if I choose to do an AF/KL combo via CDG & AMS (outward only) the return fare comes down to GBP620.30, GBP140.00 cheaper than CWL!
And the BRS fares are similar to the CWL fares, I'm just up the hill from CWL airport, I can literally spit at it from where I am, but at these prices I can see myself travelling from BHX, are the KLM flights from CWL/BRS so full that only the higher economy fares apply or are KLM trying to kill off their CWL & BRS routes?
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Come on Foggy! Is it thick tonight? :P
Firstly - distance - Cardiff is further away from CDG/AMS than BHX - that's the first obvious thing to point out.
Additionally, traveling to BHX for the sake of £75 - it's a heck of a distance to be picky. The difference is, KL can fill 73x's out of BHX, but it can barely fill the more expensive F70's out of CWL - so naturally the cost of you being on a half-empty F70 from CWL for £37.50 each way extra - it's to be expected.
Firstly - distance - Cardiff is further away from CDG/AMS than BHX - that's the first obvious thing to point out.
Additionally, traveling to BHX for the sake of £75 - it's a heck of a distance to be picky. The difference is, KL can fill 73x's out of BHX, but it can barely fill the more expensive F70's out of CWL - so naturally the cost of you being on a half-empty F70 from CWL for £37.50 each way extra - it's to be expected.
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JSCL,
If you check the KLM website for Brum each day KLM may operate some 3, 4 or 5 different types/sizes of aircraft, Fokkers, Embraers, Boeings, and year round the fare differences between MAN, LPL, BHX, CWL, BRS, NWI, LHR etc. are around the price of a pint ... it's most unusual for there to be such a difference in fares. You posted regarding flying on a F70 from /to LPL, was it GBP75.00 more expensive than flying from/to MAN?
And as for driving to BHX, it's quite a pleasant drive actually, up the A449/A40 where one passes a sign "Welcome To England" then the, underused and quiet, M50 then the M5.
But if the fares are still the same when I come to book, and I'll be overnighting (getting p1ssed) in Leiden, Netherlands anyway, then I'll have no problem saving GBP140.00 on the CWL fare routing via CDG whilst picking up more Flying Blue points in the process, I'm not fussed which airport I drink a beer in, CDG or AMS.
If you check the KLM website for Brum each day KLM may operate some 3, 4 or 5 different types/sizes of aircraft, Fokkers, Embraers, Boeings, and year round the fare differences between MAN, LPL, BHX, CWL, BRS, NWI, LHR etc. are around the price of a pint ... it's most unusual for there to be such a difference in fares. You posted regarding flying on a F70 from /to LPL, was it GBP75.00 more expensive than flying from/to MAN?
And as for driving to BHX, it's quite a pleasant drive actually, up the A449/A40 where one passes a sign "Welcome To England" then the, underused and quiet, M50 then the M5.
But if the fares are still the same when I come to book, and I'll be overnighting (getting p1ssed) in Leiden, Netherlands anyway, then I'll have no problem saving GBP140.00 on the CWL fare routing via CDG whilst picking up more Flying Blue points in the process, I'm not fussed which airport I drink a beer in, CDG or AMS.
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The fare was £7 more from LPL - but the time was more convenient
Whatever suits Foggy, but my reasons stand as to why BHX pricing is so less compared to CWL - picking one random date:
MAN-AMS with KL - leave Fri 11 Nov 2011, return Sat 12 Nov 2011:
£157.90 return (sure it can be found a little cheaper if some hopping around was done.
CWL-AMS with KL - leave Fri 11 Nov 2011, return Sat 12 Nov 2011:
£419.84 return (sure this too can be found cheaper if some hopping around).
The fact is - KL can fill multiple 73x's out of MAN - but operating a limited number of expensive to run F70's that are half-full needs to be compensated - almost seems too over compensated IMO! Very expensive!
Same dates for BHX (leave Fri 11 Nov 2011, return Sat 12 Nov 2011):
£160.99 - Seems CWL really is getting screwed! - BMIBaby fare was £90 return!
Why not just travel to BRS and use EZY? £102 return on the dates I used as an example!
Whatever suits Foggy, but my reasons stand as to why BHX pricing is so less compared to CWL - picking one random date:
MAN-AMS with KL - leave Fri 11 Nov 2011, return Sat 12 Nov 2011:
£157.90 return (sure it can be found a little cheaper if some hopping around was done.
CWL-AMS with KL - leave Fri 11 Nov 2011, return Sat 12 Nov 2011:
£419.84 return (sure this too can be found cheaper if some hopping around).
The fact is - KL can fill multiple 73x's out of MAN - but operating a limited number of expensive to run F70's that are half-full needs to be compensated - almost seems too over compensated IMO! Very expensive!
Same dates for BHX (leave Fri 11 Nov 2011, return Sat 12 Nov 2011):
£160.99 - Seems CWL really is getting screwed! - BMIBaby fare was £90 return!
Why not just travel to BRS and use EZY? £102 return on the dates I used as an example!
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GBP419.84 CWL to where? To AMS or just to cross the Severn?
I tend to check prices on:
Cheap Flights | Find the Cheapest Flights in the UK - Kelkoo
and:
Cheap Flights | Search & Compare Flight Offers - Fly.com
I tend to check prices on:
Cheap Flights | Find the Cheapest Flights in the UK - Kelkoo
and:
Cheap Flights | Search & Compare Flight Offers - Fly.com
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Or get yourself a Dutch ISP address and get a cheap deal to AMS and stay overnight and pick up a cheap onward flight without the long haul APD?
I think if you live that close to CWL yet would chose to drive to and park at BHX + drive back for £75 then it explains why in a few years you wont have the option to fly from CWL, it'l be shut, it bit like other locals who drive to BRS because it £25 cheaper than baby was, well from next years they'll have no choice!
Come on put your hand in your pocket Foggy
I think if you live that close to CWL yet would chose to drive to and park at BHX + drive back for £75 then it explains why in a few years you wont have the option to fly from CWL, it'l be shut, it bit like other locals who drive to BRS because it £25 cheaper than baby was, well from next years they'll have no choice!
Come on put your hand in your pocket Foggy
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AMS, no further, return on those dates - Foggy!
It's a HUGE price difference for 'convenience' out of CWL - KL really do need to sort that, considering the same date and similar flight times can be had for near as damn it ~£300 cheaper.
It's a HUGE price difference for 'convenience' out of CWL - KL really do need to sort that, considering the same date and similar flight times can be had for near as damn it ~£300 cheaper.
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Facelookbovvered,
This will be, kind of, a one-way trip for me, I'm emigrating to live on a Pacific island, I may or may not use the return portion of the booking.
And parking at Brum is, pretty much, free ... Just park for free at Hampton-in-Arden rail station CCTV'd car park and take the 4 minute train ride in to the airport, I recall the train fare being GBP1.20.
P.S. A pic of my, soon to be, back garden
This will be, kind of, a one-way trip for me, I'm emigrating to live on a Pacific island, I may or may not use the return portion of the booking.
And parking at Brum is, pretty much, free ... Just park for free at Hampton-in-Arden rail station CCTV'd car park and take the 4 minute train ride in to the airport, I recall the train fare being GBP1.20.
P.S. A pic of my, soon to be, back garden
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Soon to be Sunny Fogg?
Good man, although how you will cope with all that sunshine, no rain and attractive females is beyond me, you will miss the pot holes, druggies,sheep, crap food and all the other benefits of living in South Wales!
As to car parking, well park it on a double yellow line, if it's a one way trip who cares?
Finally good luck and can I come with you
As to car parking, well park it on a double yellow line, if it's a one way trip who cares?
Finally good luck and can I come with you
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What does everyone think....
Devolve passenger tax so we can cut it and attract new airlines, pleads Cardiff Airport - Cardiff news - CardiffOnline - WalesOnline
I also see Delta and EMIRATES is mentioned!
Devolve passenger tax so we can cut it and attract new airlines, pleads Cardiff Airport - Cardiff news - CardiffOnline - WalesOnline
I also see Delta and EMIRATES is mentioned!
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APD - at the risk of saying 'I told you so' - I told you so. See my posts pages back.
Emirates? Forget it. The market in the area is too small, and BHX is too close. Also, as I have said repeatedly here - EK has great chunks of the planet still left untouched, and adding more services to this tiny island of ours makes no sense. Expect to see another BHX service first, more use of the A380 on MAN (as they get them), more use of the A380 on LHR and LGW (ditto) and expansion at NCL.
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Emirates? Forget it. The market in the area is too small, and BHX is too close. Also, as I have said repeatedly here - EK has great chunks of the planet still left untouched, and adding more services to this tiny island of ours makes no sense. Expect to see another BHX service first, more use of the A380 on MAN (as they get them), more use of the A380 on LHR and LGW (ditto) and expansion at NCL.
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Devolutuon of APD to Wales
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Back in July (#237) you suggested that the WAG already has the power to change the APD rate in Wales, something that I've been unable to confirm.
You said then, Point 3 would be taken care of with a decent move on APD.... And the WG DO have the power to change the rate.... They can't abolish, but they can change the rate, even to zero. Compare factum, prescription charges.... And my alter ego has had some fun meetings this week with the people who move the levers on this one, not the opposition, but the people with the power.
Everything, including the article currently being discussed, indicates that the power is still vested within the Westminster government and it was the UK chancellor who reduced the Northern Ireland long haul rate to that of short haul as a concession to help BFS fight its corner with DUB on the CO service to EWR.
The article doesn't take matters forward in that it merely reflects a plea from a CWL senior manager that the regulation of APD should be devolved to the WAG immediately.
The Westminster government launched a consultation into APD back in the summer which included consideration of devolving APD to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
The government is considering the views and evidence submitted to the consultation and will publish a response in the autumn, vide a written response from Justine Greening, Treasury Minister, in a letter to my MP.
Were APD powers devolved to Wales whilst the English airports remained subject to the whim of the Westminster government, the West Lothian question could well arise yet again with an MP or MPs representing a Welsh constituency in government having a say on English airports' APD rates whilst MPs representing English constituencies would have no say on Wales's APD.
Back in July (#237) you suggested that the WAG already has the power to change the APD rate in Wales, something that I've been unable to confirm.
You said then, Point 3 would be taken care of with a decent move on APD.... And the WG DO have the power to change the rate.... They can't abolish, but they can change the rate, even to zero. Compare factum, prescription charges.... And my alter ego has had some fun meetings this week with the people who move the levers on this one, not the opposition, but the people with the power.
Everything, including the article currently being discussed, indicates that the power is still vested within the Westminster government and it was the UK chancellor who reduced the Northern Ireland long haul rate to that of short haul as a concession to help BFS fight its corner with DUB on the CO service to EWR.
The article doesn't take matters forward in that it merely reflects a plea from a CWL senior manager that the regulation of APD should be devolved to the WAG immediately.
The Westminster government launched a consultation into APD back in the summer which included consideration of devolving APD to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
The government is considering the views and evidence submitted to the consultation and will publish a response in the autumn, vide a written response from Justine Greening, Treasury Minister, in a letter to my MP.
Were APD powers devolved to Wales whilst the English airports remained subject to the whim of the Westminster government, the West Lothian question could well arise yet again with an MP or MPs representing a Welsh constituency in government having a say on English airports' APD rates whilst MPs representing English constituencies would have no say on Wales's APD.
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Under the terms of the Government of Wales Act, certain powers may be devolved to the WG IF and ONLY IF they ask for them. They are quite within their rights to call upon the right to take the power of variation of APD. They have as yet not chosen so to do, BUT - and it is a big but - if they have the right to take, and there is no right of denial, under logic they have the power.
NI is a different case, since it is not, for obvious reasons, covered under the Government of Wales Act....
There may be a consequence, in that the Barnett Formula may come under yet more pressure, and I would guess that any delay in the Welsh Government taking the initiative is probably down to them waiting for the consultation to end, so that they can see what effect on wider Welsh funding an APD variation may trigger.
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NI is a different case, since it is not, for obvious reasons, covered under the Government of Wales Act....
There may be a consequence, in that the Barnett Formula may come under yet more pressure, and I would guess that any delay in the Welsh Government taking the initiative is probably down to them waiting for the consultation to end, so that they can see what effect on wider Welsh funding an APD variation may trigger.
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Still No News
cwl going to be even more quiter now baby almost gone it will be like spot the planes and passaengers number will drop well below the million and still no news
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It was common sense that we were not going to get any new routes for the winter however it is not too late for Summer 12.
The airport is unfortunate to be surrounded by not the most wealthiest of catchment areas with high unemployment, this coupled with airline failures and routes chopped/changed by bmibaby does not give new carriers confidence.
We are not seeing the risks airlines took back in 2006 and will not do for some time while there is ecenomic uncertainty.
If only they believed the stats on how many passengers are leaked to Bristol.
The airport is unfortunate to be surrounded by not the most wealthiest of catchment areas with high unemployment, this coupled with airline failures and routes chopped/changed by bmibaby does not give new carriers confidence.
We are not seeing the risks airlines took back in 2006 and will not do for some time while there is ecenomic uncertainty.
If only they believed the stats on how many passengers are leaked to Bristol.