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Southwest England to cross the bridge and back to save, perhaps, £20 per round trip ticket?
BRS to CWL is circa 75 minutes in each direction by road, 62 miles in each direction, 124 miles round trip at current costs of circa 35p per mile and then there's a further £5.70 per car to cross the bridge.
So if a car carries two persons, saving ticket costs of £40.00, it's going to cost them £49.10 to save that £40.00, they'd be out of pocket by £9.10.
Three persons in a car, an actual saving of £10.90 ... For a buggeration factor of 2.5 hours additional (car) travelling I can't see it happening.
Four persons in a car saving £30.90, for the buggeration factor I wouldn't consider it worthwhile to drive for 2.5 hours to save that amount, I'd prefer to spend the time relaxing, indeed sleeping, at home.
Amusing though, three flights a week to a destination that mainstream airports serve more times per week, perhaps daily, perhaps several times daily, and the CWL Reggie Spotters are jumping cock-a-hoop over 3 loco services a week!
BRS to CWL is circa 75 minutes in each direction by road, 62 miles in each direction, 124 miles round trip at current costs of circa 35p per mile and then there's a further £5.70 per car to cross the bridge.
So if a car carries two persons, saving ticket costs of £40.00, it's going to cost them £49.10 to save that £40.00, they'd be out of pocket by £9.10.
Three persons in a car, an actual saving of £10.90 ... For a buggeration factor of 2.5 hours additional (car) travelling I can't see it happening.
Four persons in a car saving £30.90, for the buggeration factor I wouldn't consider it worthwhile to drive for 2.5 hours to save that amount, I'd prefer to spend the time relaxing, indeed sleeping, at home.
Amusing though, three flights a week to a destination that mainstream airports serve more times per week, perhaps daily, perhaps several times daily, and the CWL Reggie Spotters are jumping cock-a-hoop over 3 loco services a week!
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Wonder how long they keep service going when these charges
Landing fees and charges - Cardiff Airport
start to bite.
Passenger load charge £16.50 per passenger indeed.
Sorry CWL you are caught in the 'Law of Supply and Demand'; what you should be doing is lowering charges to stimulate demand; as at the moment there is an oversupply of airport capacity; this is evidenced by all those empty stands; day after day, night after night....
Make no mistake here; no airline is going to come to 'rescue' cwl; only cwl management can do that.
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Landing fees and charges - Cardiff Airport
start to bite.
Passenger load charge £16.50 per passenger indeed.
Sorry CWL you are caught in the 'Law of Supply and Demand'; what you should be doing is lowering charges to stimulate demand; as at the moment there is an oversupply of airport capacity; this is evidenced by all those empty stands; day after day, night after night....
Make no mistake here; no airline is going to come to 'rescue' cwl; only cwl management can do that.
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see for yourself
http://www.bristolairport.co.uk/abou...July-2011.ashx
and they don't charge £200 for use of passenger bus!
I've worked at both airports; and would prefer to be back at Cwl.
ttfn
http://www.bristolairport.co.uk/abou...July-2011.ashx
and they don't charge £200 for use of passenger bus!
I've worked at both airports; and would prefer to be back at Cwl.
ttfn
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No wonder Airlines Wont Come To Cardiff When Bristol Passenger load charges are £13.90 per passenger £2.60 Cheaper Than Cardiff 
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Wonder how long they keep service going when these charges
Landing fees and charges - Cardiff Airport
start to bite.
Passenger load charge £16.50 per passenger indeed.
Sorry CWL you are caught in the 'Law of Supply and Demand'; what you should be doing is lowering charges to stimulate demand; as at the moment there is an oversupply of airport capacity; this is evidenced by all those empty stands; day after day, night after night....
Make no mistake here; no airline is going to come to 'rescue' cwl; only cwl management can do that.
ivor toolbox
Wonder how long they keep service going when these charges
Landing fees and charges - Cardiff Airport
start to bite.
Passenger load charge £16.50 per passenger indeed.
Sorry CWL you are caught in the 'Law of Supply and Demand'; what you should be doing is lowering charges to stimulate demand; as at the moment there is an oversupply of airport capacity; this is evidenced by all those empty stands; day after day, night after night....
Make no mistake here; no airline is going to come to 'rescue' cwl; only cwl management can do that.
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Are you guys honestly so naive re charges? Those are PUBLISHED charges which are the guide price for fees. If you think Vueling are going to pay them, you would be stupid to think that. This is why strong negotiation goes on and why they are defined as lo-cost carriers.
It's highly likely that Vueling is paying somewhere around 50-75% of the prices listed for fees/charges which can be changed and of course those that can't e.g. taxes will remain the same.
It's highly likely that Vueling is paying somewhere around 50-75% of the prices listed for fees/charges which can be changed and of course those that can't e.g. taxes will remain the same.
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CWL have a history of inflexibility with charges which saw the withdrawal of Ryanair a few years back. Solid rumors had a similar situation with J2 recently. Plus, TCX and TOM have always had to charge a few quid more per pax than the same product at BRS for as long as I can remember to cover ap charges.
CWL Management negotiate, I think not.
CWL Management negotiate, I think not.
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Correct; inflexibility in charges was one of main reasons my
former employer pulled out of Cardiff too.
A 300% rise in office space rent was just one of their charges;
the whole lot made the cost per seat (ie the cost of operating out of Cardiff per year divided by number of available departure seats) un-economic, I still have the final years budget figures for the Cardiff base from that time up in my loft somewhere.
There are other un-published charges; such as the fuel throughput levy;
effectively an airport tax on each litre of fuel that comes through airport gate; this too puts price of fuel at point of delivery up compared to other airports.
Do you really not wonder why the former CEO of TBI once referred to CWL as "just a giant cash generator"
Finally; the term lo-cost carrier was coined for those airlines that advertise rock-bottom ticket prices; and sell the legal minimum at those prices too... not because they pay less costs at airports... and yes all airlines play hard-ball with their respective airports.
Sorry, rant over.
ttfn
former employer pulled out of Cardiff too.
A 300% rise in office space rent was just one of their charges;
the whole lot made the cost per seat (ie the cost of operating out of Cardiff per year divided by number of available departure seats) un-economic, I still have the final years budget figures for the Cardiff base from that time up in my loft somewhere.
There are other un-published charges; such as the fuel throughput levy;
effectively an airport tax on each litre of fuel that comes through airport gate; this too puts price of fuel at point of delivery up compared to other airports.
Do you really not wonder why the former CEO of TBI once referred to CWL as "just a giant cash generator"
Finally; the term lo-cost carrier was coined for those airlines that advertise rock-bottom ticket prices; and sell the legal minimum at those prices too... not because they pay less costs at airports... and yes all airlines play hard-ball with their respective airports.
Sorry, rant over.
ttfn
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And let it not be missed, that's if it still the same, the CWL Air BP bowser drivers are on a commission for fuel sold ... they used to hate me, as an example I'd, once weekly, tanker fuel in on a B757 ferry flight from LTN to CWL (fuel was, I recall, 18% cheaper in LTN) sufficient to operate it's next CWL/LCA sector.
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With regards to the FR withdrawal, if i remember correctly the fees jumped by 300% but in all fairness to the CWL management why wpuld they continue to offer discounts to an airline who broke the contract? Again if memory serves me well FR were supposed to operate a twice daily service which they never did apart from the odd day.
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I think we have got to be real that if people book the Barcelona and it is successful then more services will follow. On price people will travel particularly from the valleys this is shown by the numbers that think Cardiff is expensive and go to Bristol. They don't tot up the cost of traveling to Bristol just the initial cost of booking the flight.
I am disappointed that that the Western mail has not run any articles on the new service just a negative campaign about the airport.
I am disappointed that that the Western mail has not run any articles on the new service just a negative campaign about the airport.
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Re FR we all talk about a 300% rise but a percentage means nothing unless you know what the original figures where lets say if it was a cost of £1 then a 300% rise means a cost of £4 per passenger!
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Heading 125, this article seems pretty positive to me, I don't know how you're reading it?
Spanish airline Vueling confirms low-cost flights from Cardiff to Barcelona - Business News - Business - WalesOnline
Spanish airline Vueling confirms low-cost flights from Cardiff to Barcelona - Business News - Business - WalesOnline
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If an airline or airport wants to advertise it's services then it is protocol that said airline and/or airport pays to advertise said services as is commonplace in the western world.
Are things done differently in Wales?
Are things done differently in Wales?
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The route is great news for CWL which ever way you look at it, however a lot of emphasis is put on the fact it goes up against EZY BRS-BCN service, which is twice daily in summer i believe, plus Bristol also has daily GRO and part weekly REU flights both with Ryanair and both also advertised as Barcelona, so the thought that a 3 times a week flight is going to win thousands of passangers back is perhaps a tad far fetched, especially as Vuelling is not a well known brand in the UK and will have no where near the marketing power of Europes two biggest LOCO's, so in my humble opinion I believe the route will do ok and perhaps retain those pax that used the Baby service and those wishing to fly from CWL and no where else, however I cannot realistically see EZY or FR quaking in their boots, what is apparent to me though is that behind the seen CWL management must be talking to a lot of airlines as they now have 2 new airlines flying to the airport that dont really serve any other uk areas, and not the run of the mill airlines that you would expect, these are foreign carriers who would be very wary of a new route to a small airport in the current financial sitiuation, so there must be some hard work going in somewhere.
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An article that you maybe interested on about bmibaby and it's Cardiff base. click here
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Mathers-of-wales,
Thanks for this as I think this is a very interesting article and pretty much reflects our experience at MAN. It may be worth baring in mind that BMIbaby never 'owned' any aircraft to my knowledge so were very dependent on the the short term whims of their financial backer (Lufthansa). With regard to Manchester although I was sorry to see them go not least because of the professionalism of their staff but to be honest since baby have gone it has cleared there air somewhat and we have had at MAN more investment and commitment from other carriers. In my view BMIbaby's management didn't seem to know what they were doing form one day to the next. For CWL perhaps Vueling's interest is the shape of things to come. Cardiff is a great city and I'm sure it's airport will be back on form providing a great selection of destinations before long. Best wishes, DomyDom
Thanks for this as I think this is a very interesting article and pretty much reflects our experience at MAN. It may be worth baring in mind that BMIbaby never 'owned' any aircraft to my knowledge so were very dependent on the the short term whims of their financial backer (Lufthansa). With regard to Manchester although I was sorry to see them go not least because of the professionalism of their staff but to be honest since baby have gone it has cleared there air somewhat and we have had at MAN more investment and commitment from other carriers. In my view BMIbaby's management didn't seem to know what they were doing form one day to the next. For CWL perhaps Vueling's interest is the shape of things to come. Cardiff is a great city and I'm sure it's airport will be back on form providing a great selection of destinations before long. Best wishes, DomyDom