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APD
If we assume that some form of APD devolution to Wales is to be announced soon, perhaps in the Budget next month as some commentators suggest, and possibly long haul APD in the first instance as recommended by the Silk Commission, it’s highly likely that CWL will find itself with a scheduled long haul route or two in the foreseeable future given that the Wales Assembly Government leadership has already committed itself to a nil rate APD.
I wondered how an airline might play it so let’s take as an instance a daily NYC route with an average load of 150 passengers throughout the year.
Currently such a load would generate just under £11,000 APD (at £73 per passenger from April) for each outbound flight - I’ve ignored premium passengers who would pay double the economy rate and under 16s who will pay no APD from next month.
That £11,000 per flight equates to around £4 million for the entire year.
Now an airline might set overall fares at a level that it would have done with APD still in place and pocket the £4 million now that it does not have to give that money to the UK government. Or perhaps it might reduce the fares to a degree in the hope that it can attract more passengers that would more than compensate for the lower fares and partial loss of APD equivalent. If it reduces its fares by the entire APD amount it will have to be confident that it can attract sufficient passengers to make good the £4 million that it’s decided to forego.
An airline might also be operating a route to the same NYC airport from a nearby English airport, say BHX, and might not want to dilute that route by offering lower fares from CWL so is it as straightforward as saying that every airline would reduce its fares at CWL by the entire current UK APD amount?
I wondered how an airline might play it so let’s take as an instance a daily NYC route with an average load of 150 passengers throughout the year.
Currently such a load would generate just under £11,000 APD (at £73 per passenger from April) for each outbound flight - I’ve ignored premium passengers who would pay double the economy rate and under 16s who will pay no APD from next month.
That £11,000 per flight equates to around £4 million for the entire year.
Now an airline might set overall fares at a level that it would have done with APD still in place and pocket the £4 million now that it does not have to give that money to the UK government. Or perhaps it might reduce the fares to a degree in the hope that it can attract more passengers that would more than compensate for the lower fares and partial loss of APD equivalent. If it reduces its fares by the entire APD amount it will have to be confident that it can attract sufficient passengers to make good the £4 million that it’s decided to forego.
An airline might also be operating a route to the same NYC airport from a nearby English airport, say BHX, and might not want to dilute that route by offering lower fares from CWL so is it as straightforward as saying that every airline would reduce its fares at CWL by the entire current UK APD amount?
You can also chuck an adjustment to APD for affected regional English airports or other related measures into the mix
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...uty-devolution
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...uty-devolution
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the yearly grant from central government is also reduced to reflect any taxes that can be kept by the Welsh and Scottish governments. For example if Wales gets to keep its own income taxes which come to a total of 6 million (not correct figure just an example) the grant is reduced by 6 million. It's up to the devolved governments whether they can afford to scrap APD. I personally can't see any change in the status quo to be honest. How long would it take to recoup the costs of closing a base down at BRS and establishing one at CWL? It would take years. Business leaders and politicians play on fear nowadays and scare us into voting a particular way. It's a nasty game which we all need to wake up to.
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Away from the APD debate, CWL has a busy weekend next weekend with the Wales v France Six Nations Rugby (at least CWL trumps over BRS on this haha)
Air France, Small Planet Airlines, WDL Aviation, Carpatair, Ryanair, CityJet, Vueling & Enter Air all coming in with aircraft ranging from the BAe Avro RJ85 to B777-300 and plenty of passengers to boost the figures too !!
Air France, Small Planet Airlines, WDL Aviation, Carpatair, Ryanair, CityJet, Vueling & Enter Air all coming in with aircraft ranging from the BAe Avro RJ85 to B777-300 and plenty of passengers to boost the figures too !!
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quote by letsflycwl
at least CWL trumps over BRS on this haha)
what a childish remark you have written like a lot of youre postings lately. with things like you saying its likely to stir up trouble between brs followers and cwl followers.in years gone by there has been lots of comments made about this that and the other. there has been posters banned from posting,that has gone for both sets of followers. in the future can you keep youre baby remarks to youre self rather than write them.
mods can you keep an eye on this poster please or there will be some unhappy posters.
what a childish remark you have written like a lot of youre postings lately. with things like you saying its likely to stir up trouble between brs followers and cwl followers.in years gone by there has been lots of comments made about this that and the other. there has been posters banned from posting,that has gone for both sets of followers. in the future can you keep youre baby remarks to youre self rather than write them.
mods can you keep an eye on this poster please or there will be some unhappy posters.
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If APD is scrapped in Wales, I cannot see any immediate reaction by airlines apart from a slow drift towards extra charter flights to medium - long haul destinations.
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at least CWL trumps over BRS on this haha)
what a childish remark you have written like a lot of youre postings lately. with things like you saying its likely to stir up trouble between brs followers and cwl followers.in years gone by there has been lots of comments made about this that and the other. there has been posters banned from posting,that has gone for both sets of followers. in the future can you keep youre baby remarks to youre self rather than write them.
mods can you keep an eye on this poster please or there will be some unhappy posters.
what a childish remark you have written like a lot of youre postings lately. with things like you saying its likely to stir up trouble between brs followers and cwl followers.in years gone by there has been lots of comments made about this that and the other. there has been posters banned from posting,that has gone for both sets of followers. in the future can you keep youre baby remarks to youre self rather than write them.
mods can you keep an eye on this poster please or there will be some unhappy posters.
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FR @ CWL
FR have seemingly launched a largely increased Winter 2016-17 schedule throughout many airports in the UK now, including PIK etc.
I believe FR has something planned for CWL, and sometime soon. It would surprise me if CWL does not get FR growth of some kind for the coming Winter, or maybe even next Summer. Coupled with the fact that EI-SEV flew in last week ...
I believe FR has something planned for CWL, and sometime soon. It would surprise me if CWL does not get FR growth of some kind for the coming Winter, or maybe even next Summer. Coupled with the fact that EI-SEV flew in last week ...
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I know it's Wikipedia but see CWL now has Freebird Airlines listed as of May to DLM.
I assume this is in place of SunExpress ?
DLM has been operated by so many Turkish airlines over the last few years, Onur Air, Pegasus, SunExpress and now Freebird......
Long time ago they were last at CWL with the MD83, at least now it's the A320
I assume this is in place of SunExpress ?
DLM has been operated by so many Turkish airlines over the last few years, Onur Air, Pegasus, SunExpress and now Freebird......
Long time ago they were last at CWL with the MD83, at least now it's the A320
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Ryanair
The booking engine is showing CWL-TFS at 2 x weekly for next winter (Mon and Thurs), up from the single weekly that the airline has operated this route year-round since it began it at the end of October 2014.
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That's great news from Ryanair, just hope it's not a loading error with change of season and days from a Monday to a Thursday.
As CWL have not released a statement yet maybe FR will test the market elsewhere with another destination ?
As CWL have not released a statement yet maybe FR will test the market elsewhere with another destination ?
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Flybe Winter 2016/17
BE have launched their Winter 2016/17 from CWL. Seems to be 55 weekly departures, with a new route to TXL. DUB appears dropped completely with GLA going double daily on weekdays, probably a better move in honesty. GVA goes 3x weekly amongst others.
Probably not all too different from this winter since DUB seemed to be non-op for some parts of the winter with some rotations removed every week. In fact, taking this into account there may actually be a capacity increase.
Great news with FR going 2x weekly on TFS although seemingly unconfirmed by both FR and CWL as of yet, so I would not rule out any further additions just yet. Just seen on the News that a potential APD announcement may be made tomorrow as part of the Budget, although what this may be has been subject to a relatively large debate in all circles.
Probably not all too different from this winter since DUB seemed to be non-op for some parts of the winter with some rotations removed every week. In fact, taking this into account there may actually be a capacity increase.
Great news with FR going 2x weekly on TFS although seemingly unconfirmed by both FR and CWL as of yet, so I would not rule out any further additions just yet. Just seen on the News that a potential APD announcement may be made tomorrow as part of the Budget, although what this may be has been subject to a relatively large debate in all circles.
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DUB appears dropped completely
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This is good news for Aer Lingus Regional/ Stobart. Their network has been getting it on many fronts, like BE on CWL and FR entry onto GLA DUB. Aer Arann/ EIR/ Stobart Air have served DUB CWL well for a considerable amount of time, so I am glad to see route being more sustainable for the longer term. The model of linkage to T/A services from the UK regions through Dublin appears to be very robust, managing comfortably to compete with Ryanair for the point to point traffic and evidently here with Flybe.
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Great to see the Flybe news regarding Berlin and glad it's TXL (for now before the new airport opens) and not SXF......SXF is so small and awful design.
It appears BE may have more announcements lined up over the next few weeks.
Same can hopefully apply to FR as still no official announcement about the extra TFS flight.....could they be waiting for something else to announce ?
Hopefully the Budget tomorrow will also bring news on the APD too.
Exciting few days ahead...
It appears BE may have more announcements lined up over the next few weeks.
Same can hopefully apply to FR as still no official announcement about the extra TFS flight.....could they be waiting for something else to announce ?
Hopefully the Budget tomorrow will also bring news on the APD too.
Exciting few days ahead...
