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Public Transport to CWL
FYI
- Bus to the City Centre from Cardiff Airport is £5.00 single (£2 cheaper than Bristol) £0.41p per mile
- Taxi from £17.50 if using the Flight Link Wales Green Link shuttle (£4.50 cheaper than Bristol) £1.45 per mile
- Taxi from £20 if using Business Drive Wales (£2 cheaper than Bristol) £1.66 per mile
- Train is £4.40 plus £1.00 for the bus link to the terminal (Option not available from Bristol) £0.45 per mile
Simples!
- Bus to the City Centre from Cardiff Airport is £5.00 single (£2 cheaper than Bristol) £0.41p per mile
- Taxi from £17.50 if using the Flight Link Wales Green Link shuttle (£4.50 cheaper than Bristol) £1.45 per mile
- Taxi from £20 if using Business Drive Wales (£2 cheaper than Bristol) £1.66 per mile
- Train is £4.40 plus £1.00 for the bus link to the terminal (Option not available from Bristol) £0.45 per mile
Simples!
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Public Transport to CWL
fanrailuk - You have shown that public transport between CWL and Cardiff is cheaper on all accounts than from BRS to Bristol.
However, you have failed to compare the level of service that the public are paying for, so please let me add to your post...
- Bus to the City Centre from Cardiff Airport is £5.00 single (£2 cheaper than Bristol) £0.41p per mile
CWL - Busses from the city centre take 30 minutes and run at 04:10, 05:10 and then every half an hour until 20:10, after which there is a 21:10 and the last one at 22:40.
BRS - Busses from the city centre take 30 minutes and run 24 hours a day (every 8 minutes between 06:00 and 19:00, every 20 minutes between 04:20 and 06:00 and between 19:00 and 01:20, and every hour from 01:20 to 04:20.
In summary, for much of the day one is paying £5 for a bus that runs every 30 minutes at CWL and £7 for a bus every 8 minutes at BRS, so you're not getting such a bad deal after all......
- Taxi from £17.50 if using the Flight Link Wales Green Link shuttle (£4.50 cheaper than Bristol) £1.45 per mile
- Taxi from £20 if using Business Drive Wales (£2 cheaper than Bristol) £1.66 per mile
- Train is £4.40 plus £1.00 for the bus link to the terminal (Option not available from Bristol) £0.45 per mile
BRS - There is no train direct to BRS however with buses running every 8 minutes from Bristol Temple Meads this isn't too inconvenient.
CWL - In comparison CWL does have a station nearby the airport. Trains however only run once every hour from Cardiff Central Station and take 30 minutes stopping at 7 stations along the way. There is then a 5 minute wait for a bus to take you to the terminal which takes another 7-10 minutes.
Another thing to add is that the first train to depart Cardiff Central for the airport is at 05:41 (arriving too late for the first wave of daily departures from CWL) and the last train at 22:51.
Not the most convenient option unfortunately.
Simples!
However, you have failed to compare the level of service that the public are paying for, so please let me add to your post...
- Bus to the City Centre from Cardiff Airport is £5.00 single (£2 cheaper than Bristol) £0.41p per mile
CWL - Busses from the city centre take 30 minutes and run at 04:10, 05:10 and then every half an hour until 20:10, after which there is a 21:10 and the last one at 22:40.
BRS - Busses from the city centre take 30 minutes and run 24 hours a day (every 8 minutes between 06:00 and 19:00, every 20 minutes between 04:20 and 06:00 and between 19:00 and 01:20, and every hour from 01:20 to 04:20.
In summary, for much of the day one is paying £5 for a bus that runs every 30 minutes at CWL and £7 for a bus every 8 minutes at BRS, so you're not getting such a bad deal after all......
- Taxi from £17.50 if using the Flight Link Wales Green Link shuttle (£4.50 cheaper than Bristol) £1.45 per mile
- Taxi from £20 if using Business Drive Wales (£2 cheaper than Bristol) £1.66 per mile
- Train is £4.40 plus £1.00 for the bus link to the terminal (Option not available from Bristol) £0.45 per mile
BRS - There is no train direct to BRS however with buses running every 8 minutes from Bristol Temple Meads this isn't too inconvenient.
CWL - In comparison CWL does have a station nearby the airport. Trains however only run once every hour from Cardiff Central Station and take 30 minutes stopping at 7 stations along the way. There is then a 5 minute wait for a bus to take you to the terminal which takes another 7-10 minutes.
Another thing to add is that the first train to depart Cardiff Central for the airport is at 05:41 (arriving too late for the first wave of daily departures from CWL) and the last train at 22:51.
Not the most convenient option unfortunately.
Simples!
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I understand where your coming from Jamesc909 but that isn't the point of the article which the Cardiff Airport figures have been compared.
Bristol Airport Express has been running in excess if 10 years which has eventually lead to the position that it's in now.
In the recent report on the purchase of Cardiff Airport the document states that passenger numbers have almost doubled in year two. As passenger numbers continue to grow so will the express bus and there maybe a requirement to eventually increase capacity at peak times.
It will be interesting to know if the works at Cardiff Central Station has reduced demand for the route as there is no longer a bus station. This will be the case for a year at least.
Bristol Airport Express has been running in excess if 10 years which has eventually lead to the position that it's in now.
In the recent report on the purchase of Cardiff Airport the document states that passenger numbers have almost doubled in year two. As passenger numbers continue to grow so will the express bus and there maybe a requirement to eventually increase capacity at peak times.
It will be interesting to know if the works at Cardiff Central Station has reduced demand for the route as there is no longer a bus station. This will be the case for a year at least.
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Good to read today that Wales Government seriously looking at the APD powers and under impression they will secure a direct flight to the US as a result....fingers crossed.
Also good to see the promising load factors from BE and the mention of more to come from Vueling.
Interesting times ahead
Also good to see the promising load factors from BE and the mention of more to come from Vueling.
Interesting times ahead
Also good to see the promising load factors from BE and the mention of more to come from Vueling.
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Isn't BE in a 10 year deal at CWL? (And other Airports).
How would it work if BE wanted to pull the plug? Could they get out of the deal or would they just have to chop and change routes to see what works?
I have also heard that BE are happy with CWL operations. It may be such that this "deal" is offsetting any low yields.
How would it work if BE wanted to pull the plug? Could they get out of the deal or would they just have to chop and change routes to see what works?
I have also heard that BE are happy with CWL operations. It may be such that this "deal" is offsetting any low yields.
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Yes Flybe are happy with Cardiff, no they don't want to pull the plug, yes the loads are excellent. Success story so all I can say get over it and keep us all in jobs and book a flight or two or three with Flybe from Cardiff 
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Well said......BE are here for 10 years if not longer and plenty of time to build on passenger figures and destinations.
Also read past week that CWL are hopeful if more things to come from VY for 2017 plus the continued chase for a NYC link, let's hope they get the APD sorted sooner rather than later or BRS may sneak in there !!
Also read past week that CWL are hopeful if more things to come from VY for 2017 plus the continued chase for a NYC link, let's hope they get the APD sorted sooner rather than later or BRS may sneak in there !!
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CAA stats show the total passenger numbers from which the average loads and load factors can be calculated.
The 118-seat E 195 was the aircraft type on all routes except Belfast City which uses the Q 400.
The below figures are those for November (in blue) and December.
Edinburgh 6644 passengers, ave load 72.2 load factor 61.2%
Edinburgh 6663 passengers, ave load 66.6 load factor 56.5%
Glasgow 2621 65.5 55.5%
Glasgow 2416 57.5 48.7%
Jersey 717 51.2 43.4%
Jersey 682 37.9 32.1%
Cork 712 44.5 37.7%
Cork 462 33 28.0%
Milan MXP 1429 59.5 50.5%
Milan MXP 1209 46.5 39.4%
Paris CDG 4158 74.2 62.9%
Paris CDG 3879 64.7 54.8%
Faro 376 47 39.8%
Faro 1108 61.6 52.2%
Dusseldorf 1125 56.2 47.7%
Dusseldorf 729 30.4 25.8%
Munich 1626 62.5 53%
Munich 974 37.5 31.8%
Belfast City 3446 57.4 73.6%
Belfast City 3270 54.5 69.9%
The below ski routes commenced in December with the E195 but the figures are lower because the first inbound flights would almost certainly have been lightly loaded. January will give a more realistic picture of these two routes.
Geneva 246 61.5 52.1%
Chambery 201 50.2 42.6%
Could not establish Flybe's numbers on the Dublin route as it competes with Aer Lingus Regional (Stobart).
As always yields are the important figures. The loads and load factors were improving through last summer and naturally were mostly higher than in the winter months so far.
The E 195 is a large aircraft to fill on some of the routes but the likes of MXP, MUC and DUS have generally showed higher monthly average loads (though not always higher load factors) than similar routes from Bristol on the bmi regional E 145s, albeit bmir's fares are usually much higher than Flybe's which might indicate a better yield, although without knowing all the financial aspects of the two airlines on these routes it's impossible to be sure.
The 118-seat E 195 was the aircraft type on all routes except Belfast City which uses the Q 400.
The below figures are those for November (in blue) and December.
Edinburgh 6644 passengers, ave load 72.2 load factor 61.2%
Edinburgh 6663 passengers, ave load 66.6 load factor 56.5%
Glasgow 2621 65.5 55.5%
Glasgow 2416 57.5 48.7%
Jersey 717 51.2 43.4%
Jersey 682 37.9 32.1%
Cork 712 44.5 37.7%
Cork 462 33 28.0%
Milan MXP 1429 59.5 50.5%
Milan MXP 1209 46.5 39.4%
Paris CDG 4158 74.2 62.9%
Paris CDG 3879 64.7 54.8%
Faro 376 47 39.8%
Faro 1108 61.6 52.2%
Dusseldorf 1125 56.2 47.7%
Dusseldorf 729 30.4 25.8%
Munich 1626 62.5 53%
Munich 974 37.5 31.8%
Belfast City 3446 57.4 73.6%
Belfast City 3270 54.5 69.9%
The below ski routes commenced in December with the E195 but the figures are lower because the first inbound flights would almost certainly have been lightly loaded. January will give a more realistic picture of these two routes.
Geneva 246 61.5 52.1%
Chambery 201 50.2 42.6%
Could not establish Flybe's numbers on the Dublin route as it competes with Aer Lingus Regional (Stobart).
As always yields are the important figures. The loads and load factors were improving through last summer and naturally were mostly higher than in the winter months so far.
The E 195 is a large aircraft to fill on some of the routes but the likes of MXP, MUC and DUS have generally showed higher monthly average loads (though not always higher load factors) than similar routes from Bristol on the bmi regional E 145s, albeit bmir's fares are usually much higher than Flybe's which might indicate a better yield, although without knowing all the financial aspects of the two airlines on these routes it's impossible to be sure.
CAA stats show the total passenger numbers from which the average loads and load factors can be calculated.
The 118-seat E 195 was the aircraft type on all routes except Belfast City which uses the Q 400.
The below figures are those for November (in blue) and December.
Edinburgh 6644 passengers, ave load 72.2 load factor 61.2%
Edinburgh 6663 passengers, ave load 66.6 load factor 56.5%
Glasgow 2621 65.5 55.5%
Glasgow 2416 57.5 48.7%
Jersey 717 51.2 43.4%
Jersey 682 37.9 32.1%
Cork 712 44.5 37.7%
Cork 462 33 28.0%
Milan MXP 1429 59.5 50.5%
Milan MXP 1209 46.5 39.4%
Paris CDG 4158 74.2 62.9%
Paris CDG 3879 64.7 54.8%
Faro 376 47 39.8%
Faro 1108 61.6 52.2%
Dusseldorf 1125 56.2 47.7%
Dusseldorf 729 30.4 25.8%
Munich 1626 62.5 53%
Munich 974 37.5 31.8%
Belfast City 3446 57.4 73.6%
Belfast City 3270 54.5 69.9%
The below ski routes commenced in December with the E195 but the figures are lower because the first inbound flights would almost certainly have been lightly loaded. January will give a more realistic picture of these two routes.
Geneva 246 61.5 52.1%
Chambery 201 50.2 42.6%
Could not establish Flybe's numbers on the Dublin route as it competes with Aer Lingus Regional (Stobart).
As always yields are the important figures. The loads and load factors were improving through last summer and naturally were mostly higher than in the winter months so far.
The E 195 is a large aircraft to fill on some of the routes but the likes of MXP, MUC and DUS have generally showed higher monthly average loads (though not always higher load factors) than similar routes from Bristol on the bmi regional E 145s, albeit bmir's fares are usually much higher than Flybe's which might indicate a better yield, although without knowing all the financial aspects of the two airlines on these routes it's impossible to be sure.
The 118-seat E 195 was the aircraft type on all routes except Belfast City which uses the Q 400.
The below figures are those for November (in blue) and December.
Edinburgh 6644 passengers, ave load 72.2 load factor 61.2%
Edinburgh 6663 passengers, ave load 66.6 load factor 56.5%
Glasgow 2621 65.5 55.5%
Glasgow 2416 57.5 48.7%
Jersey 717 51.2 43.4%
Jersey 682 37.9 32.1%
Cork 712 44.5 37.7%
Cork 462 33 28.0%
Milan MXP 1429 59.5 50.5%
Milan MXP 1209 46.5 39.4%
Paris CDG 4158 74.2 62.9%
Paris CDG 3879 64.7 54.8%
Faro 376 47 39.8%
Faro 1108 61.6 52.2%
Dusseldorf 1125 56.2 47.7%
Dusseldorf 729 30.4 25.8%
Munich 1626 62.5 53%
Munich 974 37.5 31.8%
Belfast City 3446 57.4 73.6%
Belfast City 3270 54.5 69.9%
The below ski routes commenced in December with the E195 but the figures are lower because the first inbound flights would almost certainly have been lightly loaded. January will give a more realistic picture of these two routes.
Geneva 246 61.5 52.1%
Chambery 201 50.2 42.6%
Could not establish Flybe's numbers on the Dublin route as it competes with Aer Lingus Regional (Stobart).
As always yields are the important figures. The loads and load factors were improving through last summer and naturally were mostly higher than in the winter months so far.
The E 195 is a large aircraft to fill on some of the routes but the likes of MXP, MUC and DUS have generally showed higher monthly average loads (though not always higher load factors) than similar routes from Bristol on the bmi regional E 145s, albeit bmir's fares are usually much higher than Flybe's which might indicate a better yield, although without knowing all the financial aspects of the two airlines on these routes it's impossible to be sure.
Perhaps some BHX and MAN business routes could have 170s replaced by 195s, but that's only going to achieve anything if they can fill the 195 on those routes. You really begin to see why the 195 was a bad choice by the former management.
As for "10 year agreements" - agreements can be broken, and IF, and I say IF, FlyBe (or any other carrier) find themselves losing a fortune they would find a way of extracating themselves from an agreement, as it could be buying your way out of a contract is the better / cheaper option. Ask football clubs about junking managers on contracts!
That said, the CWL base is young and developing, and surely the summer season will provide improved loads, and with the loads the yields will surely be more than satisfactory.
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Just seen that AlbaStar (JQ) are to start PMI-CWL-PMI for Thomson for Summer 2016.
So appears that both AlbaStar and Norwegian are now operating additional Thomson flights......
I assume that will be ops by the B737-400 too
So appears that both AlbaStar and Norwegian are now operating additional Thomson flights......
I assume that will be ops by the B737-400 too
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It will actually be Van Air operating the VLY service selling tickets through the ticketing agent Citywing for the remainder of 2016.
Longer term tender to be published shortly.
EDIT : In other news, Roger Lewis has said that a Low-Cost carrier has approached CWL in the last two weeks.
Longer term tender to be published shortly.
EDIT : In other news, Roger Lewis has said that a Low-Cost carrier has approached CWL in the last two weeks.
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Any idea on who this low over carrier is ?
Be great to see if it was Norwegian and would tie in with the Thomson flights they are operating to TFS.
Is it just "Chinese Whispers" or all true ??
Be great to see if it was Norwegian and would tie in with the Thomson flights they are operating to TFS.
Is it just "Chinese Whispers" or all true ??
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Norwegian was only rumoured due to the recent press release with them announcing TFS on behalf of TOM.
Nothing is fact at the moment, only Roger Lewis saying that a Low-Cost carrier had approached them in the last week or so.
Nothing is fact at the moment, only Roger Lewis saying that a Low-Cost carrier had approached them in the last week or so.
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Well it doesn't really sort of leave that many other low cost carriers does it ?
EasyJet - will not want to upset BRS
Ryanair - good possibility
Norwegian - good possibility & wishful thinking
Jet 2 - would be great to see, but mostly a "northern airline"
Wizz Air - just started at BRS, could they be tempted to CWL too ?
Vueling - strong possibility and previously mentioned by the new management team
Let's hope it all happens
EasyJet - will not want to upset BRS
Ryanair - good possibility
Norwegian - good possibility & wishful thinking
Jet 2 - would be great to see, but mostly a "northern airline"
Wizz Air - just started at BRS, could they be tempted to CWL too ?
Vueling - strong possibility and previously mentioned by the new management team
Let's hope it all happens
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Nothing is fact at the moment, only Roger Lewis saying that a Low-Cost carrier had approached them in the last week or so.