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I'm pretty sure Ryanair is not the only operator flying non Schengen flights into BUD. Are those other operators subject to this border control ?
Many times I have had to get out with half the crew, get a bus, and have my passport inspected. Then we go back and the bus does the other half of the crew.
We complained, grumbled and said that it was not needed anywhere else. But in the end our lot just re-scheduled to include a longer turn. In fact, I think that the route has now been pulled altogether, but I could be wrong (just not done it for a while).
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Mikeh - you know full well as I do, that absurd behaviour is a 45 minute report time, not recording dead head time and a 7/2 roster, sickness meetings, having 70% of its flight deck on a non permanent contract, closing the Marseille base and re-open it with a sticker on the wall "THIS IS NOT A BASE" and the list goes on and on.
Solution to the problem in BUD? Roster an hour in between turnarounds and abide by the local rules. Simple really. Oh and don't ask the crews to reports at STD -90 when the Ops Manual clearly states all bases to report at STD -45.
Solution to the problem in BUD? Roster an hour in between turnarounds and abide by the local rules. Simple really. Oh and don't ask the crews to reports at STD -90 when the Ops Manual clearly states all bases to report at STD -45.
Controversial, moi?
It simply does not happen anywhere else that I ever encountered in 46 years.
It is a waste of effort trying to understand or change pointless bureaucracy and have to agree with the previous poster regarding the absurdly short turnaround times used by RYR.
Ah yes SD, you're right about FR. I agree and your solution would work. But the authorities are naiive if they think FR will just do that.
Denti, a 2 minute turnaround? Nonsense, it takes at least that long just to programme the SID, route and STAR. And don't you complete a preflight briefing? We aren't driving buses you know.
Denti, a 2 minute turnaround? Nonsense, it takes at least that long just to programme the SID, route and STAR. And don't you complete a preflight briefing? We aren't driving buses you know.
Ryanair traffic per day down 5% in Feb. Load factor is still flat.
News Release
05.03.12
Ryanairs Feb Traffic Down 2%Ryanair today (5th Mar) released passenger and load factor stats for Feb 2012 as follows:
Feb 11
Feb 12
Change
Yr to Feb 12
Passengers (m) 1 4.57M
4.47M
-2%
76.1M
Load Factor 2 76%
76%
0%
82%
As previously guided, Ryanairs 2011/12 winter traffic was expected to decline by approx 5% as we sit up to 80 aircraft on the ground due to higher oil prices.
ENDS.
1. Booked seats sold
2. Passengers as a percentage of total seats available.
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Does this not boil down to whether the Authorities are breaking any _legal_ treaties?
If they want you to walk through the terminal backwards that's their prerogative (and mine to not go there).
I know FR have done enough to annoy the entire population of Europe twice over, but the question here is whether the requirement is legal or not.
Personally I would have thought that if the requirement is illegal, MOL would have been in court quicker that a FR turn-around!!
If they want you to walk through the terminal backwards that's their prerogative (and mine to not go there).
I know FR have done enough to annoy the entire population of Europe twice over, but the question here is whether the requirement is legal or not.
Personally I would have thought that if the requirement is illegal, MOL would have been in court quicker that a FR turn-around!!
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It simply does not happen anywhere else that I ever encountered in 46 years
Bizarre, ludicrous, disruptive but so so typical of the modern unthinking jobsworth world we now live in.
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Denti, a 2 minute turnaround? Nonsense, it takes at least that long just to programme the SID, route and STAR.
Anyway, if the local rules require such nonsense one simply has to cope with that and adjust turnaround times accordingly. It is not rocket science, is it?
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Nothing new in ALC. 
Ryanair ofrece duplicar sus operaciones en El Altet si Aena cede en el embarque a pie,Valencia.-Economa y empresa Expansin.com
And at this moment, it seems that he is arriving to BUD...
Ryanair ofrece duplicar sus operaciones en El Altet si Aena cede en el embarque a pie,Valencia.-Economa y empresa Expansin.com
And at this moment, it seems that he is arriving to BUD...
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Well, we all bow to the skygod. As a mere mortal I like to quickly brief, or be briefed about the route, weather, terrain, operationaly significant matters, notams, defects, pay more than lip service to cross checking the performance and route, maybe even have a quick chat about what happens if something goes wrong on departure....you know.....trivial stuff like that. Maybe one day with many many years of flying I can hope to achieve a 2 minute turnaround also!
To be honest it takes me about two minutes to print out the D-ATIS or obtain the weather and write it down.
Whats that old saying....PPP....
To be honest it takes me about two minutes to print out the D-ATIS or obtain the weather and write it down.
Whats that old saying....PPP....
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Will it happen again?
Due to weak demand, four new routes from BUD will not start; to Chania, Palma de Mallorca, Rhodes and Trapani. Btw., have anybody there in Hungary booked any hotel at non-refundable deal rate? That's it. Just gone.
Also, 2 new BUD destinations announced from May; Düsseldorf NRN and Billund.
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Hmmm...as a mere ATCO I take a lot longer than 2 mins to brief pre-shift.As a fare paying customer I would like to think the chap(generic term) up front has taken a lot more time to properly brief for all circumstances,foreseen or otherwise.
I'm sure this bloke isn't alone in his attitude to his job but I'd rather not be behind him.
I'm sure this bloke isn't alone in his attitude to his job but I'd rather not be behind him.
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I worked for an operator operating 40min turn arounds into BUD......I was never asked to clear customs.....just sat and drank coffee and punched the buttons for the next leg.
Similar scenario for Canadian operators to BoS from YHZ. They do doubles and every time they land in Bo's they have to clear immigration with the masses arriving from Europe etc. I read between the lines, think its a nightmare from them.
Similar scenario for Canadian operators to BoS from YHZ. They do doubles and every time they land in Bo's they have to clear immigration with the masses arriving from Europe etc. I read between the lines, think its a nightmare from them.
Nah, just download the route and winds, performance if you have that option, enter STAR and SID and your done. If you can't download performance figures it is five clicks on the EFB, enter into the FMC and crosscheck. The FMC-download can be started during taxi-in once taxi speed drops below 20kts and the inbound route is deleted. FMC needs all of 1 minute to set up. Since the downloaded route is crossloaded into the EFB you don't need to look for charts, they're right there, brief and you're done. That is only flightdeck preparation though, but even with a leasurely walk around one does not need much more than 5 minutes.
Anyway, if the local rules require such nonsense one simply has to cope with that and adjust turnaround times accordingly. It is not rocket science, is it?
Anyway, if the local rules require such nonsense one simply has to cope with that and adjust turnaround times accordingly. It is not rocket science, is it?
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It would take nearly 2 minutes to walk the perimeter of a 738 at a brisk pace so presumably nobody's doing a walkaround on Denti's 2 minute turnaround either! Don't even get me started on trying to get 180 Italians or Spaniards seated! The FR 25 minute turnaround is doable but busy (doing everything properly as per SOPs and without the luxury of electronic clearances and company routes) but requires all other parties to do their jobs correctly and in the required timeframe.
It's amusingly predictable that many can interpret this issue as being Ryanair's fault when the statement from BUD indicates that they are mandating a procedure that is rarely seen anywhere else. To require flight crew who are not entering a country, merely turning around and departing again immediately, to clear immigration is frankly absurd, and would severely handicap short and medium haul aviation if commonly adopted. MOL is right to object to this beaurocratic idiocy and has the economic muscle to make his objection heard. Flying as I do 4, sometimes 6, international sectors daily, the last thing I need would be to have to clear immigration on every turnaround. It is not a legal necessity and is frankly a waste of everyone's time and energy. On this issue (alone!) all aircrew should be applauding MOL.
It's amusingly predictable that many can interpret this issue as being Ryanair's fault when the statement from BUD indicates that they are mandating a procedure that is rarely seen anywhere else. To require flight crew who are not entering a country, merely turning around and departing again immediately, to clear immigration is frankly absurd, and would severely handicap short and medium haul aviation if commonly adopted. MOL is right to object to this beaurocratic idiocy and has the economic muscle to make his objection heard. Flying as I do 4, sometimes 6, international sectors daily, the last thing I need would be to have to clear immigration on every turnaround. It is not a legal necessity and is frankly a waste of everyone's time and energy. On this issue (alone!) all aircrew should be applauding MOL.
Sadly, Denti, at FR everything is done manually, including listening to the ATIS, inputting the departure airport and destination, runway in use, anticipating the SID, inputting each of the 15 or so primary waypoints, the STAR, performance figures etc. I don't feel comfortable flying with guys who don't do checklists or a proper briefing...
Anyway, we digress.
Anyway, we digress.