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So tell me again why they are cancelling the flight if the crew only have to go through the same thing as the pax.
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I thought that Ryanair/MOL always maintained that if they set any conditions, that's what you have to do. For example, no official requirement for photo-id on UK domestic services, but Ryanair insist on it, and if you don't comply you don't go.
Isn't this just the same ?
Isn't this just the same ?
force crews on turn around flights to do customs and immigrations? Unheard of in Europe I reckon, at least I have never seen it happen anywhere, not even outside the EU proper. Transit is transit.
There is a lot to be said for it that one airline seems to be willing to stand up against this practice. Frankly, many airlines in Europe have accepted much to much stupidity and harassment of air crews in recent years.
What if ALL of the airlines would have reacted to overblown legal snafu's instead of just accepting them and continue as before? As for instance the general suspicion of every crew member to be a potential terrorist....
There is a lot to be said for it that one airline seems to be willing to stand up against this practice. Frankly, many airlines in Europe have accepted much to much stupidity and harassment of air crews in recent years.
What if ALL of the airlines would have reacted to overblown legal snafu's instead of just accepting them and continue as before? As for instance the general suspicion of every crew member to be a potential terrorist....
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Originally Posted by racedo
Not if those rules are in breach of existing EU laws.
Or a non-EU passport holder in possession of a perfectly legal visa, will be denied boarding unless its been stamped.
RYR bend many rules, people who live in glass houses and all that.....
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So tell me again why they are cancelling the flight if the crew only have to go through the same thing as the pax.
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Can't comment on cabin work, never did it. However turning a 737 around is cockpit-wise less than 5 minutes of work, 10 if you do a full IRS realignment. And that is including doing your own W&B and all other paperwork. If you get those delivered to the airplane you can be set up for a return flight within 2 minutes tops. However much of that depends on streamlined procedures.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but RYR make up their on rules which may not be in line with EU laws. For example, on internal flights, RYR insist on a passport being presented, not a local government ID card.
Or a non-EU passport holder in possession of a perfectly legal visa, will be denied boarding unless its been stamped.
RYR bend many rules, people who live in glass houses and all that.....
Or a non-EU passport holder in possession of a perfectly legal visa, will be denied boarding unless its been stamped.
RYR bend many rules, people who live in glass houses and all that.....
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And a lot of Wizz Air "employees" are based in BUD (and elsewhere) throughout their network, whilst paying "Swiss Tax" on their earnings - and neglecting to take care of tax liabilities nearer home.
I am with Ryanair on this. I spent the last 20 years of my flying career doing four sector flights around Europe (and sometimes more).
Can you just imagine the chaos that would be caused if, for example, I flew from UK to Germany (for a quick turn round) and then had to go through immigration and passport control and back out my aeroplane again, to fly to Vienna, do the same rigmarole all over again, then fly to Prague just to go in and out of their immigration system before going to Istanbul and going to bed.
Can you just imagine what would happen at Heathrow if every Lufthansa, Air France, LOT, Iberia etc etc flight crew had to go through UK immigration and back out again every time they did a quick turnround?
Get real people; this is bizarre. It simply does not happen anywhere else that I ever encountered in 46 years.
It has nothing to do with Ryanair and it should be resisted at all costs.
Can you just imagine the chaos that would be caused if, for example, I flew from UK to Germany (for a quick turn round) and then had to go through immigration and passport control and back out my aeroplane again, to fly to Vienna, do the same rigmarole all over again, then fly to Prague just to go in and out of their immigration system before going to Istanbul and going to bed.
Can you just imagine what would happen at Heathrow if every Lufthansa, Air France, LOT, Iberia etc etc flight crew had to go through UK immigration and back out again every time they did a quick turnround?
Get real people; this is bizarre. It simply does not happen anywhere else that I ever encountered in 46 years.
It has nothing to do with Ryanair and it should be resisted at all costs.
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President of one of the unions representing Cyprus Airways staff wants to report a joint agreement between the Cypriot state and Hermes Airports to the local commissioner for state aid control, the EU competition commission and IATA. He demands the national carrier be given the same incentives as those agreed with Ryanair.
President of one of the unions representing Cyprus Airways staff wants to report a joint agreement between the Cypriot state and Hermes Airports to the local commissioner for state aid control, the EU competition commission and IATA. He demands the national carrier be given the same incentives as those agreed with Ryanair.
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No need to go there if its bad news so must be positive......
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Racedo - I can't and I'm not familiar with EU law. Other airlines don't require a passport on domestic flights, so why should FR?
The example I made was to highlight the fact that FR makes up its own rules and if you don't like it, fly or work for someone else. If Fr don't like the local rules in BUD, then base the aircraft somewhere else....
La face cachée du lowcost : Enquête sur le système Ryanair on Vimeo have a watch of this documentary and see if you still have the same sympathy.
The example I made was to highlight the fact that FR makes up its own rules and if you don't like it, fly or work for someone else. If Fr don't like the local rules in BUD, then base the aircraft somewhere else....
La face cachée du lowcost : Enquête sur le système Ryanair on Vimeo have a watch of this documentary and see if you still have the same sympathy.
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Surely something FR do with regards to passengers getting on their planes is different to a country deciding to treat a certain companies crew different to all other carriers using their main airport?
As for the visa checks... All airlines need to check for these, there is no time to do so at the gate as it requires a few minutes to do it properly, so FR demand you do it before coming to the gate. Quite a simply process. Turn up to an FR desk, get it looked at and they stamp your boarding card, gate staff see the stamp and let you on. If you can't be bothered sticking to the terms and conditions you agreed to when you bought your ticket then why should FR up hold their end of the bargain too?
Jet2.com are another airline which demand a visa check is done before coming to the gate, so it's not even an FR only policy.
As for the visa checks... All airlines need to check for these, there is no time to do so at the gate as it requires a few minutes to do it properly, so FR demand you do it before coming to the gate. Quite a simply process. Turn up to an FR desk, get it looked at and they stamp your boarding card, gate staff see the stamp and let you on. If you can't be bothered sticking to the terms and conditions you agreed to when you bought your ticket then why should FR up hold their end of the bargain too?
Jet2.com are another airline which demand a visa check is done before coming to the gate, so it's not even an FR only policy.
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He was in Alicante on 5th April 2011 (to announce the cuts during the winter season), 25th October 2011 (to remember the cuts during the winter season and then to FKB to announce the new base), 13th December 2011 (to announce the cuts during the summer season and then to PMI to announce the new base), 31st January 2012 (to remember the cuts during the summer season and to comment that the case would be processed in the Court of Appeal on 7th February. Then he went to PMI to announce the 5th aircraft in this base). So following last episodies, I expect announces in other places tomorrow... 
Whilst it is understandable that there are people making tit for tat comments about FR, none of them are sensible excuses for the Hungarian Authority's absurd and obviously illegal behaviour.
The only people who will suffer are the innocent hard working flightcrews in the short term and the Hungarians themselves in the medium turn when FR wins significant damages in EU courts.
If you want to fight back against FR's style of commercial blackmail, you ought to choose the terrain for the battle more carefully.
The only people who will suffer are the innocent hard working flightcrews in the short term and the Hungarians themselves in the medium turn when FR wins significant damages in EU courts.
If you want to fight back against FR's style of commercial blackmail, you ought to choose the terrain for the battle more carefully.
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